# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 145
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2883 "2012-06-28T02:38:19Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > At this rate, we’ll soon be seeing **brazil84** complain about how the SDMB is a dead message board that no one ever posts to anymore. Except, I don’t think he’s using the built in Ignore system. I think he has a long scroll of parchment of our usernames written in his pure, untainted, white-man blood. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2884 "2012-06-28T02:58:42Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Except, I don’t think he’s using the built in Ignore system. I think he has a long scroll of parchment of our usernames written in his pure, untainted, white-man blood. Seen it, they are posted in his blog, I think he would bleed to dead if he updated his entries with all the ones that he has “banned” ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2885 "2012-06-28T04:15:23Z")
The people arguing with \*\*Brazil84 \*\*should stop; he’s not a fully functioning human being. He has some sort of mental disorder–my guess is some level of autism plus OCD–that prevents him from participating in a debate like normal people. And don’t think I mean this in any way as an insult; I am making a simple observation. You’re asking for evidence, but he quite literally lacks the mental capacity to understand what you mean; he will argue minutia and irrelevancies not because he’s trying to change the subject, but because he is fundamentally incapable of understanding the concept of rational thought. Bless his heart, he really does think he’s debating when he argues over word order or other trivialities. You’re not going to change his mind because his deficiencies make that impossible. No amount of counterargument will move him from his position because he cannot change his position. You’re arguing with him like he’s a person, but you should be arguing with him like he’s a door. If you want to convince the lurkers, then address them, but give up on trying to reason with **Brazil84**. ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2886 "2012-06-28T04:35:29Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > If your definition of racist includes anyone who doesn’t reflexively dismiss the race/IQ studies without any further thought or consideration, then you have a very shitty definition of racist. It’s instructive to note that other ‘conservative’ posters are not condemning this bullshit but rather are asking that the SDMB, in essence, “teach the controversy”. Next time there’s a conservative throwing a tantrum about being assumed to be racist (generally something they do without the slightest provocation) it would be worth pointing this out. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2887 "2012-06-28T04:41:37Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > What part of DNFTT don;t you understand? I get it, I just don’t care. Consider me the well-intentioned individual who jumps on the racist grenade so that you don’t have to. We’ll keep them focused on these threads and you can enjoy your regular programming without turds in the punchbowl, as it were. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2888 "2012-06-28T05:10:13Z")
I’ve noted this in that mammoth thread but for all the posters who are uninterested in sifting through it: keeping them occupied in 1 or 2 Pit threads keeps them out of other threads. They’re not trolling in the strict sense of the world. They sincerely believe that their personal beliefs constitute some kind of “evidence”. I, on the other hand, sincerely believe they have some kind of psychological issues and keeping them occupied is better than not. That said, starting 2 or 3 other threads for them to infect is a \*\*mammoth \*\*waste of time. > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > If your definition of racist includes anyone who doesn’t reflexively dismiss the race/IQ studies without any further thought or consideration, then you have a very shitty definition of racist. If you’re going to even partially defend them, look at their posts. This is a fucking weak defense of stupid posters. It bears repeating: nobody claimed the achievement gap doesn’t exist. The main counter-argument has been, for several weeks, that those disgusting pig-fucker racists had no GENETIC evidence, despite their claims to the contrary. When a poster claims Barack Obama’s intelligence ‘obviously’ comes from his mother’s “white” genes rather than his father’s “black” genes, you might want to reconsider even a half-hearted defense of the poster’s thesis. It’s disgusting that you’d reflexively try to come up with some kind of justification for criticism of a POV you disagree with. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt as neglecting to have read even a small fraction of the inane chatter those pig-fucker racists present as “logic” if you think you gave some kind of valid criticism. ---
**Author:** ![Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hilarity_n.suze/32/6223_2.png) [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hilarity_N.Suze)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2889 "2012-06-28T05:13:09Z")
Dang, no Neanderthal DNA. They are doomed. \*\*Nzinga \*\*is right, why quote the whole racist post? A link is all we needed really. Also, you can dial back the hip hop but keep the BBQ coming please… ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2890 "2012-06-28T05:16:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > In my GD thread about monuments for white supremacists, he said this about black people: > > This post is full of wrongness, fail, and idiocy. I’m not sure there’s a single sentence that’s not incorrect. Good Pitting. I like that you said “wrongness, fail, and idiocy.” Succint, thorough, funny, and insulting. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2891 "2012-06-28T08:01:42Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Do you dudes all get Purina Troll Chow by the hundred-fucking pound bags or something? This is exactly what these asshole trolls want, why are you giving it to them? They _can’t_ be trolls, because trolling is against the board rules and if they were trolls, the mods would have banned them, see?:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2892 "2012-06-28T09:13:48Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > The people arguing with \*\*Brazil84 \*\*should stop; he’s not a fully functioning human being. He has some sort of mental disorder–my guess is some level of autism plus OCD My mental disorder is that I’m willing to state the truth even though it violates social taboos to do so. > [@](#): > > You’re asking for evidence, but he quite literally lacks the mental capacity to understand what you mean; That’s not true at all, if you want me to supply evidence for a claim that I have made, it’s very simple: 1. Quote the claim that I made. 2. Represent to me that you are seriously skeptical of my claim and explain exactly what aspect of it you are seriously skeptical of. 3. Ask for evidence to back it up. But for some strange reason, my opponents (in general) have a hard time doing this. Many seem to prefer responding to claims they wish or imagine I had made – as opposed to the claims I actually make. Some seem to want me running around finding evidence for claims they don’t seriously dispute. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2893 "2012-06-28T09:15:17Z")
> [@The\_Dord](#): > > hey brazil84.. I don’t like racists.. oops put me on your ignore list too I don’t mind if you put me on your ignore list for being a racist. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2894 "2012-06-28T10:06:07Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Ah, so you’re just an impartial judge who is above the fray, using your clarity of vision and superior intellect to bolster your arguments, and we’re supposed to find some sort of neutral word to describe your views? Words like ‘racist’ and ‘bigot’ were coined to describe hateful people and their actions, and are entirely appropriate in this case. Couching your views in the stilted language of academia and debate doesn’t mean you’re right; it just means you think you’re good at hiding what you are. A hater is a hater, whatever form he takes. **Crawl back under your rock, asshole.** I do not express hatred here. I calmly state my opinions and document the factual assertions those opinions are based on. Because my arguments are valid, they cannot be refuted. This frustrates those who prefer to believe what is not true, so they express hatred for me. All anyone has to do to prove that I am mistaken is to prove that blacks behave and perform as well as whites. Now, I have demonstrated that Orientals - and of course I am talking in terms of averages - actually behave and perform _better_ than whites. So, go out and do it. Demonstrate how No Child Left Behind is achieving its goals by erasing the race gap in academic achievement, while leaving no black children behind. Explain how the civil rights legislation in the United States was followed by declines in black crime and illegitimacy. Describe how black urban neighborhoods are centers of civilization, obedience to the law, and decorum. Tell me how the end of European colonialism has caused sub Saharan Africa to thrive. I’m not stopping you. Do it. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2895 "2012-06-28T10:16:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Your hatred of black people continues to blind you to so many things, including any sort of understanding of how science works, or even basic logic. No one has denied the existence of an achievement gap. Your claim is about the explanation for this gap- not its existence. You claim that the explanation is due to inherent genetic differences between your (poorly defined and contradictory) races. And then we ask you to show some evidence to support this- and all you do is show more evidence for the achievement gap that is not in dispute. You have zero evidence for your explanation of the achievement gap. It’s been explained in simple terms what that evidence would actually consist of. > > You display willful ignorance when you scramble for an excuse for any fact that contradicts your narrative- like the amazing achievements of various sub-Saharan African societies, or various groups with no achievement gap or even the reverse (not that any of this has anything to do with genetics anyway). > > And then the real NDD shines through- the one who says black people are savages who spread their savagery everywhere they live. This is the NDD I think is closer to your core. All that hatred cannot stay bottled up without letting a few bubbles up every once and a while. The hatred of those who dislike being told the truth about racial differences is not bottled up, it pours out. If the failure of No Child Left Behind to erase the race gap has not been caused by innate racial inferiority of those it was intended to help, it has been caused by their laziness and disruptive behavior. Have you ever sat in one of their class rooms? If those people are not biologically inferior, they are morally inferior. It cannot be said that they are superior except in athletics. Don’t you get tired of making excuses for those people? I got tired years ago. Then I got tired of hearing excuses. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2896 "2012-06-28T10:36:29Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > My mental disorder is that I’m willing to state the truth even though it violates social taboos to do so. No, your mental disorder is almost certainly autism. I’m willing to reconsider if you can produce a psychiatrist report stating that you’re not autistic, but your responses in this thread are not indicative of a normal functioning human being. > [@](#): > > That’s not true at all, if you want me to supply evidence for a claim that I have made, it’s very simple: > > 1. Quote the claim that I made. > > 2. Represent to me that you are seriously skeptical of my claim and explain exactly what aspect of it you are seriously skeptical of. > > 3. Ask for evidence to back it up. > > But for some strange reason, my opponents (in general) have a hard time doing this. Many seem to prefer responding to claims they wish or imagine I had made – as opposed to the claims I actually make. Some seem to want me running around finding evidence for claims they don’t seriously dispute. Yeah, this statement displays a disconnect from reality. I won’t argue about it, because I think that you honestly believe it to be true and a normal statement, but that’s just further evidence of your disconnect from reality. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2897 "2012-06-28T11:10:34Z")
> [@The\_Dord](#): > > hey brazil84.. I don’t like racists.. oops put me on your ignore list too > > thanks 😃 I dislike those who try to silence those whose arguments they cannot refute with the use of negative epithets. I am not afraid of being called a “racist.” brazil84 is not either. Nevertheless the use of that term is a distraction from what ought to be a civil discussion of black crime, inferior intellectual performance, and illegitimacy, and the reasons for it. What should be of interest is why black crime and illegitimacy increased greatly after the civil rights legislation was passed, while there were only marginal improvements in black academic performance. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2898 "2012-06-28T11:13:55Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I do not express hatred here. Except when you call black people savages who spread their savagery everywhere they go. > [@](#): > > I calmly state my opinions and document the factual assertions those opinions are based on. Most of these assertions are anything but factual- like Lynn’s fabricated data. > [@](#): > > Because my arguments are valid, they cannot be refuted. This frustrates those who prefer to believe what is not true, so they express hatred for me. Your pitied, not hated- because your own hatred has blinded you to what’s obvious to most. > [@](#): > > All anyone has to do to prove that I am mistaken is to prove that blacks behave and perform as well as whites. Now, I have demonstrated that Orientals - and of course I am talking in terms of averages - actually behave and perform _better_ than whites. As has been said many times, there is no way to scientifically measure how one “behaves and performs”. And you have demonstrated nothing except the existence of an achievement gap in a few societies. > [@](#): > > So, go out and do it. Demonstrate how No Child Left Behind is achieving its goals by erasing the race gap in academic achievement, while leaving no black children behind. I don’t understand at all your obsession with NCLB- it failed ALL children, not just black ones. It’s a failed program. > [@](#): > > Explain how the civil rights legislation in the United States was followed by declines in black crime and illegitimacy. Crime of all sorts, including “black” crime, has been going down for the last 20 years. Not that crime or illegitimacy says anything at all about genetics. > [@](#): > > Describe how black urban neighborhoods are centers of civilization, obedience to the law, and decorum. Tell me how the end of European colonialism has caused sub Saharan Africa to thrive. > > I’m not stopping you. Do it. None of this has anything to do with genetics. The ghettoes in Warsaw 80 years ago were also rife with crime and poverty- and this fact said nothing about the genetics of those who lived there. You keep sidestepping your own issue, and bringing up things like the achievement and economic gaps which no one has denied. Who are you even arguing with anymore? Your explanation was about genetics, which you’ve provided zero supporting genetic evidence for. You fail now as you have failed before. You’re unable to contain your obvious hatred of black people (feel free to try and deny that you hate black people- your use of words like “savages” reveals your true beliefs). I pity you. Someday you may see what harm you’ve wrought on yourself with all that hatred. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2899 "2012-06-28T11:15:46Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > The people arguing with \*\*Brazil84 \*\*should stop; he’s not a fully functioning human being. He has some sort of mental disorder–my guess is some level of autism plus OCD–that prevents him from participating in a debate like normal people. And don’t think I mean this in any way as an insult; I am making a simple observation. My observation is that those of your persuasion are not able to refute the arguments of barzil84 and me, so you defame us. All you need to do is to demonstrate that blacks behave and perform as well as whites, or explain why they do not in ways that absolve them of responsibility. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2900 "2012-06-28T11:20:48Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The hatred of those who dislike being told the truth about racial differences is not bottled up, it pours out. You’ve told no truth here, except when expressing your own hatred (have I failed to mention the time you called black people savages who spread their savagery everywhere they go?). You think the existence of the achievement gap is evidence for a genetic difference between “races”- which is absurd, because there have been achievement gaps (that have been reversed countless times) between populations throughout history. Why would it suddenly be a genetic thing _now_, when it’s never been before? > [@](#): > > If the failure of No Child Left Behind to erase the race gap has not been caused by innate racial inferiority of those it was intended to help, it has been caused by their laziness and disruptive behavior. More obsession with NCLB. I don’t get it. Bad programs don’t help _anyone_. > [@](#): > > Have you ever sat in one of their class rooms? “Their” classrooms? You mean a class with lots of black people in it? Sure. I grew up in New Orleans. Some students were disruptive, some were studious, some were fidgety, etc. It seemed like a normal classroom to me. > [@](#): > > If those people are not biologically inferior, they are morally inferior. It cannot be said that they are superior except in athletics. Your obsessed with inferiority and superiority. If IQ measures this- then let’s see yours. I wonder how many people in the thread you’re inferior to? > [@](#): > > Don’t you get tired of making excuses for those people? I got tired years ago. Then I got tired of hearing excuses. I haven’t made any excuses. You haven’t proved anything that was in doubt. We all accept the existence of an achievement gap. Don’t you ever get tired of hating black people? That hatred is not going to get better, you know, unless you make an effort to change it. What happened to you? What is your personal experience with black people? Were you attacked? Were you robbed? What was it? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2901 "2012-06-28T11:23:32Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > My observation is that those of your persuasion are not able to refute the arguments of barzil84 and me, so you defame us. > > All you need to do is to demonstrate that blacks behave and perform as well as whites, or explain why they do not in ways that absolve them of responsibility. I think \*\*Brazil84 \*\*is autistic, but I think you’re stupid. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2902 "2012-06-28T11:25:54Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > No, your mental disorder is almost certainly autism. I’m willing to reconsider if you can produce a psychiatrist report stating that you’re not autistic, but your responses in this thread are not indicative of a normal functioning human being. > > Yeah, this statement displays a disconnect from reality. I won’t argue about it, because I think that you honestly believe it to be true and a normal statement, but that’s just further evidence of your disconnect from reality. You know everyone, putting all sarcasm aside, autism makes some sense… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=144) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=146)