# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 147
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2923 "2012-06-28T12:45:49Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Prove it. You haven’t been able to so far. The fact that blacks had higher rates of crime and illegitimacy before and after the civil rights legislation was signed is adequate proof. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2924 "2012-06-28T12:57:57Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The New York Times November 20, 2006 > > Despite concerted efforts by educators, the test-score gaps are so large that, on average, African-American and Hispanic students in high school can read and do arithmetic at only the average level of whites in junior high school. > > “The gaps between African-Americans and whites are showing very few signs of closing,” Michael T. Nettles, a senior vice president at the Educational Testing Service, said in a paper he presented recently at Columbia University. One ethnic minority, Asians, generally fares as well as or better than whites. > [http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/education/20gap.html?\_r=2&pagewanted=1&ei=5070&en=e1b56aad3e0f9451&ex=1165035600](http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/education/20gap.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&ei=5070&en=e1b56aad3e0f9451&ex=1165035600) > > Since the school year of 1990-91 the race gap in SAT scores has increased. > > [Fast Facts: SAT scores (171)](http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171) So you got one guy who says it’s not closing. Others disagree (like the NAEP). So what? You’re ready to close the book- with no genetic evidence, mind you- after a few decades. Yes, the achievement gap exists. But you can’t even conclusively say that it isn’t shrinking- it just isn’t by some measures. Why is there no correlation among African Americans whatsoever between “black” ancestry and low test scores/crime? That fact alone makes it pretty hard to accept any genetic explanation (especially since there’s no genetic evidence). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2925 "2012-06-28T12:59:33Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The fact that blacks had higher rates of crime and illegitimacy before and after the civil rights legislation was signed is adequate proof. It’s adequate proof that blacks had higher rates of crime and illegitimacy. They also had higher rates of poverty. And before civil rights, Jews had higher rates of professional basketball playing. Do Jews have a genetic tendency towards being good basketball players? ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2926 "2012-06-28T13:02:35Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The fact that blacks had higher rates of crime and illegitimacy before and after the civil rights legislation was signed is adequate proof. Only to an idiot racist like you. You are what’s wrong with this country, it’s sad that you actually have a vote **if** you’re not some middle schooler on summer vacation. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2927 "2012-06-28T13:09:41Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > It is an important question that cannot receive an answer consistent with assertions of innate racial equality. Do you understand the term “confound” when used in a scientific context? ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2928 "2012-06-28T13:16:52Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The fact that blacks had higher rates of crime and illegitimacy before and after the civil rights legislation was signed is adequate proof. I really haven’t taken the time to go through all of this stuff but if this is any indication of this guy’s logic I can’t understand why anyone is still interested in engaging him. So he’s been treading water for 57 pages while claiming he’s winning the battle? This is the opposite of my 8th grade civics class where the teacher put me on the team of proving racial inequality in a debate identical to this. My two team members weren’t too bright but my three opponents were even less so. So with nothing other than anecdotal examples we shredded the other team. We won the debate but only a moron would think that we proved anything. This argument is opposite that one since the opposing side is actually refuting the anecdotal examples as **NDD** continues to drag out more all the while claiming that he’s “winning”. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2929 "2012-06-28T13:34:27Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > I really haven’t taken the time to go through all of this stuff but if this is any indication of this guy’s logic I can’t understand why anyone is still interested in engaging him. Not really engaging him. I think most of us are posting for any others who may be reading the thread. Get a good point to show (again) that b84 and NDD are idiots or to get a good ZING! in. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2930 "2012-06-28T13:41:51Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Have you seen the recen Smurfs movie? (Excellent documentary by the way.) We have that invisible barrier to keep Gargamel out because he’s always trying to steal our beer and weed. I run the brewery of course and might I add our smurfberry ale is quite delicious. > > EDIT: I believe February was rape month. Hey! What?! I have no smurfberry ale. I’m moving into _your_ ghetto. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2931 "2012-06-28T14:20:40Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I am unflappable. I hear this in my mind being sung by Helen Reddy. ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2932 "2012-06-28T14:45:54Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Sooo-Eeee! > > 😃 > We’re doing ribs this weekend. The smoker is also primed for a low and slow brisket I must do in the next week or so. You’re gonna smoke a brisket? How do you keep the end lit? 😃 : D & R : ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2933 "2012-06-28T14:50:32Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > My observation is that those of your persuasion are not able to refute the arguments of barzil84 and me, so you defame us. > > All you need to do is to demonstrate that blacks behave and perform as well as whites, or explain why they do not in ways that absolve them of responsibility. My claim is: That all races have genetically the same abilities intellectually. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2934 "2012-06-28T18:42:55Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Why did black rates of crime and illegitimacy increase after civil rights? How high was the increase? If anything, this demonstrates the environmental effect on crime and illegitimacy is more important than the genetic one. Also, what do you guys think of [this paper](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15712363) in demonstrating the genetic basis of racial differences? Chuck11 linked it in the other thread, but I didn’t touch it. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2935 "2012-06-28T19:00:50Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Also, what do you guys think of [this paper](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15712363) in demonstrating the genetic basis of racial differences? Chuck11 linked it in the other thread, but I didn’t touch it. Unimpressive. We know that African-Americans owe most of their African genetic legacy to a single sub-population and that populations have genetic features that can be differentiated. That’s never been the point of the debate. The debate is whether or not (1) ALL African populations can be grouped together as being a single genetic race and (2) how this correlates genetically with intelligence. To use an example to illustrate: Both lions and cheetahs exist in Africa while there are tigers in Asia. We can differentiate tigers from the other two. Does that mean we can group lions and cheetahs as a meaningful “African cat race” because we can distinguish them genetically from the “Asian cat race”? Likewise, there are multiple differentiable human populations in Africa. Grouping them together because they happen to be from Africa and all have darker skin than the average European, though often differently colored compared to each other, isn’t meaningful in a genetic sense. And if we can’t really group them in a meaningful genetic sense in the first place, how can we claim to be able to lump them together for purposes of measuring intelligence? ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2936 "2012-06-28T19:02:20Z")
> [@New Deal Democrat](#): > > When has a program that was designed to bring blacks up to white standards been successful? [Public education](http://nces.ed.gov/naal/lit_history.asp). ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2937 "2012-06-28T19:03:37Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > I really haven’t taken the time to go through all of this stuff. Please, don’t. It will only hurt your brain and your heart. And NDD, don’t think for a second I am fooled by your claims of rational serenity. You’re angry. You’re angry that whites are getting blamed for black inferiority and that blacks are taking spots that white people deserve in society and that politics favor helping a race that cannot be saved and that your girlfriend ran off with an intellectually inferior black guy. You’re mad as hell and you’re not going to take it any more. You’ve got rage written all over you. You’ve tried to conceal it but it bleeds all over the thread. So don’t even try. At least I have the decency to own up to my own motivations. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2938 "2012-06-28T19:13:53Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If you cannot prove that blacks behave and perform as well as whites, I will appreciate and accept an apology from you. You know? I’ve never felt constrained by the language rules in the pit before… and I won’t ever be able to say that again. Why praytell are you trying to say blacks are less intelligent than whites because they don’t behave as well? Is there some correlation to behavior and intelligence? The only thing I’ve noticed is that more intelligent children seem to be more adventurous in exploring their surroundings. I get it… you think that because mommy called you a good boy that she also thought you were smart… Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2939 "2012-06-28T19:23:17Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > And NDD, don’t think for a second I am fooled by your claims of rational serenity. What does serenity have to do with being right? I’ve seen very calm 3 year olds make nonsensical claims with perfect calmness and to the utter dismay of their parents. It didn’t make them right or objective. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2940 "2012-06-28T19:23:28Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > And NDD, don’t think for a second I am fooled by your claims of rational serenity. You’re angry. You’re angry that whites are getting blamed for black inferiority and that blacks are taking spots that white people deserve in society and that politics favor helping a race that cannot be saved and that your girlfriend ran off with an intellectually inferior black guy. You’re mad as hell and you’re not going to take it any more. You’ve got rage written all over you. You’ve tried to conceal it but it bleeds all over the thread. So don’t even try. At least I have the decency to own up to my own motivations. My posts do not express anger. This one does: > [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > We get it. You’re racist. > > More garbage [here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=653337) > > I’m not going to debate with you. I’m just going to kindly ask you (and by you, I mean all you racist fuckers) to stop wasting space on my message board. Your opinions are moronic, and the fact that you refuse to acknowledge the vast body of evidence to the contrary of your genetics argument does not speak well to your own intelligence. I note you haven’t responded to a single question in that thread - maybe cuz you got nothin’? You speak so eloquently about your racism, but it’s basically a bunch of garbage recycled from some website you read voraciously in order to bolster your stupid argument. Homeboy read _The Bell Curve_ and now he thinks he knows what’s up. > > Well, sir, you do not know what is up. I don’t care what you have to say. It’s just BLAH BLAH BLAH to me. I’m tired of getting pissed off every time I go to Great Debates to try to learn something. I have enough ignorance of my own and it’s a PITA to have to deal with someone else’s. So shut up. > > And try to appreciate the fact that you are the first Doper I have ever pitted. I rarely insult people, but you’re special. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2941 "2012-06-28T19:24:53Z")
There’s nothing wrong with being angry, especially when the object of ire is a tool and a fool. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2942 "2012-06-28T19:30:45Z")
"Gentlemen, please! We are civilized _white men_, and as such it is incumbent upon us to behave with decorum! Now, sir, if you don’t mind just slipping this noose around your neck— there’s a good fellow. Not too tight? Good. You’ll be pleased to know that all the arrangements have been made; your land will be well cared for, as will your three young daughters. In a short while they’ll be receiving gentlemen callers and (the good Lord willing!) will be blessed to bear children that are only \*half \*negro. If we can control their baser instincts and keep the lust-crazed negro men away from them, who knows— in a few generations, perhaps their children’s children’s children will be able to crawl out of the genetic morass into which your people have long been cursed. All right then. All set? God speed. _GIDDYAP_! A solemn business, that. Now I invite the rest of you gentlemen to accompany me to my estate, where mint juleps are presently being served on the veranda." [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=146) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=148)