# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 150
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2983 "2012-06-28T22:50:59Z")
It strikes me that both NDD and B84 are using the same rhetorical technique used by creationists. Namely, something like: Creationist: I’ve “proven” evolution doesn’t occur. Therefore, creationism must be true. Sane Pig-Non-Fucker: You haven’t proven anything about evolution. And even if you had, why is your theory any more sensible than some other alternative? Creationist: Drrrr! Obviously if evolution is false, creationism must be true since it’s widely accepted. Insert “there’s genetic evidence for my sexual preference for pigs” for “creationism” and Bob’s your uncle. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2984 "2012-06-28T22:52:02Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Well, there’s…There’s also “leftist” I’m not sure how criticizing liberals and leftists for inventing excuses for black underachievement is equivalent to blaming anyone for anyone’s “rhetorical impotence,” whether mine or anyone else’s. Probably it makes sense in your head though. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2985 "2012-06-28T22:52:21Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Ummm, no. I’m saying that your claim which I am autistic is wrong. > > A few posts back you said this: > > If you are confident in this, you have a chance to make an easy 5 grand. > > So will you take the bet? Or are you abandoning your position? From Wikipedia: > [@](#): > > Pervasive developmental disorders include autism, Asperger syndrome, pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS), childhood disintegrative disorder, and Rett syndrome, although usually only the first three conditions are considered part of the autism spectrum.[1] These disorders are typically characterized by social deficits, communication difficulties, stereotyped or repetitive behaviors and interests, and in some cases, cognitive delays. Although these diagnoses share some common features, individuals with these disorders are thought to be “on the spectrum” because of differences in severity across these domains. > > Autism is characterized by delays or abnormal functioning before the age of three years in one or more of the following domains: (1) social interaction; (2) communication; and (3) restricted, repetitive, and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities.[2] Social impairments are marked by poor use of nonverbal communication, difficulty in peer relations, lack of social-emotional reciprocity, and lack of shared enjoyment. Communication deficits may include failure to develop speech, use of stereotyped or delayed echolalia, and difficulties maintaining conversations. Social and communication impairments may also cause a lack of symbolic or imaginative play. Restricted and repetitive behaviors may include unusual preoccupations with narrow interests, inflexibility to nonfunctional routines, stereotyped and repetitive mannerisms, and preoccupations with parts of objects. > > Asperger syndrome can be distinguished from autism by the lack of delay or deviance in early language development.[2] Additionally, individuals with Asperger syndrome do not have significant cognitive delays. An individual with Asperger syndrome typically demonstrates obsessive interest in a single topic or activity. Other symptoms include repetitive routines or rituals, peculiarities in speech and language, inappropriate affect or social behavior, problems with non-verbal communication, and clumsy or uncoordinated motor movements.[3] Because of these difficulties, individuals with Asperger syndrome often have trouble interacting with others. You know what, I do take it back. I think you have Asperger syndrome, not autism. It was the “obsessive interest in a single topic or activity” thing that convinced me. Actually, you don’t have to go in to a psychiatrist to prove me wrong; I tell you what, if you can show me any significant position where you changed your mind, I’ll apologize to you for thinking that you lacked the intellectual capacity for changing your mind. Not minor stuff, but a thread where you started out arguing one position, were convinced by the counter arguments, and stated in the thread that you changed your mind. You could prove me wrong in this very thread by admitting that there’s no evidence for a genetic link to the “achievement gap”. Then you’ll get the apology you so desperately crave. You have 6,770 posts on this board. A fully-functioning human being would have changed his opinion over something over that time; I look forward to you demonstrating your functionality. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2986 "2012-06-28T22:55:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > These “patterns” are only present in some statistics, and shrinking in many. And they are “persistent” only in the sense of a few decades. **And you’ve ignored several studies and groups that show no gap** or a reversed gap- you have an excuse for anything that doesn’t match your narrative- whether that excuse is scientific or not. And even if these patterns were actually consistent and persistent, it still would not be any evidence for anything genetic. > > Genetic evidence is what you really need- if you’re really interested, go do some science and get it. Science is hard. I did not ignore those studies. I was unaware of them. Where are there studies that indicate that black behave and perform as well as whites? The example of Nigerians immigrants is an interesting exception to the prevailing pattern. Nevertheless, the vast majority of Nigerians who immigrant here already have college or trade school education, so they are not a representative sample. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2987 "2012-06-28T22:56:33Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > This reminds me of Soviet authorities sentencing dissidents to mental institutes. I still just think you’re an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2988 "2012-06-28T22:57:55Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > From Wikipedia: > You know what, I do take it back. I think you have Asperger syndrome, not autism. It was the “obsessive interest in a single topic or activity” thing that convinced me. > > Actually, you don’t have to go in to a psychiatrist to prove me wrong; I tell you what, if you can show me any significant position where you changed your mind, I’ll apologize to you for thinking that you lacked the intellectual capacity for changing your mind. Not minor stuff, but a thread where you started out arguing one position, were convinced by the counter arguments, and stated in the thread that you changed your mind. You could prove me wrong in this very thread by admitting that there’s no evidence for a genetic link to the “achievement gap”. Then you’ll get the apology you so desperately crave. > > You have 6,770 posts on this board. A fully-functioning human being would have changed his opinion over something over that time; I look forward to you demonstrating your functionality. brazil84 demonstrates his good mental health by maintaining his decorum in the face of intolerable abuse. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2989 "2012-06-28T22:58:55Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I did not ignore those studies. I was unaware of them. Where are there studies that indicate that black behave and perform as well as whites? The example of Nigerians immigrants is an interesting exception to the prevailing pattern. Nevertheless, the vast majority of Nigerians who immigrant here already have college or trade school education, so they are not a representative sample. I’m talking about the studies that show, in some European countries, no achievement gap. I’m not going to dig them up, though- my main point is that none of this says anything about genetics. As a science experiment, you’ve made a Hypothesis about why the achievement gap exists. But you’ve gotten no farther- you have no data to support your hypothesis- there’s no genetic data at all for this. Science is hard. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2990 "2012-06-28T23:01:44Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I still just think you’re an idiot. I think you are a coward, a scoundrel, and a liar. You _know_ that what brazil84 and I say about biological differences between the races is true. That is because it is so obviously true. Because you can present no evidence at all of innate, biological racial equality you throw insults. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2991 "2012-06-28T23:04:50Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I think you are a coward, a scoundrel, and a liar. You _know_ that what brazil84 and I say about biological differences between the races is true. That is because it is so obviously true. Because you can present no evidence at all of innate, biological racial equality you throw insults. Oh no, I’ve been called a scoundrel! By an idiot! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2992 "2012-06-28T23:07:44Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I think you are a coward, a scoundrel, and a liar. You _know_ that what brazil84 and I say about biological differences between the races is true. That is because it is so obviously true. Because you can present no evidence at all of innate, biological racial equality you throw insults. We’ve told you what would convince us- genetic evidence. You think your hypothesis is self-evident because of your personal feelings. It’s not based on evidence- because there is none. No, I don’t secretly agree with you- I think you have no evidence at all. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2993 "2012-06-28T23:08:02Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Others would have been intimidated by the abuse thrown at me by cowards. And they are cowards. They feel brave as part of a lynch mob, but they are not able to explain persistent racial patterns. Yeah, sure, but how are you being suppressed? You’re still talking. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2994 "2012-06-28T23:11:07Z")
NDD, do you know what confounded means in a scientific context? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2995 "2012-06-28T23:20:59Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > You know what, I do take it back. I think you have Asperger syndrome, not autism. Ok, same bet as above then. If the psychiatrist diagnoses me with Asperger, you get an easy 5 grand. > [@](#): > > Actually, you don’t have to go in to a psychiatrist to prove me wrong; It’s not my burden of proof. However, I’m willing to go to a psychiatrist in connection with the bet I outlined above. Will you take the bet or not? > [@](#): > > Then you’ll get the apology you so desperately crave. Lol, I don’t desperately crave an apology – it simply gives me pleasure to rub your nose in your self-delusion. Will you take the bet or not? > [@](#): > > You have 6,770 posts on this board. A fully-functioning human being would have changed his opinion over something over that time; On a major topic which he has thought about for years? I doubt it. There are major issues on which I’ve changed my mind, but that took place long before I was posting. > [@](#): > > I look forward to you demonstrating your functionality. It’s not my burden of proof, but I am happy to visit a psychiatrist in connection with the bet I proposed. Will you take the bet or not? P.S. Is it your position that anyone here with more than 6000 posts who has not explicitly changed their mind on something major is not a fully functioning human being? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2996 "2012-06-28T23:21:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m talking about the studies that show, in some European countries, no achievement gap. I’m not going to dig them up, though- my main point is that none of this says anything about genetics. > > As a science experiment, you’ve made a Hypothesis about why the achievement gap exists. But you’ve gotten no farther- you have no data to support your hypothesis- there’s no genetic data at all for this. > > Science is hard. I have posted several studies that indicate that blacks in England tend to perform less well in school than whites. The study by psychologist Klaus Eyferth is often mentioned as evidence that there are no genetic reasons for the race gap in the United States. However, this study was limited to 181 white and mixed race children of German women and American servicemen after the war. There are other problems with the study. * * * Arthur Jensen has pointed out that the white girls in the study obtained an average IQ eight points below that of the white boys, suggesting a sampling error, because in the WISC standardization sample the average IQs of boys and girls are equal (among the mixed-race subjects in the Eyferth study, there was a small sex difference of 1 point, favoring boys). He has also noted that the IQs of the children’s mothers and fathers are unknown, and that white and black G.I.'s in Germany were not equally representative of their respective populations, since about 30 percent of blacks, compared to about 3 percent of whites, failed the preinduction mental test and were not admitted into the armed forces… Moreover, nearly all of the children were tested before adolescence, i.e. before the genotypic aspect of IQ has become fully manifested… Rushton and Jensen have further pointed out that 20–25% of the fathers in the study were not African Americans but rather French North Africans.[9] > **[Eyferth study](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyferth_study)** > > The Eyferth study, conducted by German psychologist Klaus Eyferth, examined the IQs of white and racially-mixed children raised by single mothers in post-World War II West Germany. The mothers of the children studied were white German women, while their fathers were white and black members of the US occupation forces. The study found that average IQs of the children studied were roughly similar across racial groups, making the study an oft-cited piece of evidence in the debate about race and int... ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2997 "2012-06-28T23:26:57Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > On a major topic which he has thought about for years? I doubt it. There are major issues on which I’ve changed my mind, but that took place long before I was posting. So, you’re saying that in the 5/6 years you’ve been posting here, in the nearly 7,000 posts you’ve made, you can’t cite a single instance of you changing your mind? On any topic? Holy shit. Oh, and to answer your question, yes, fully-functioning human beings change their minds. Their opinions change. Their attitudes change. If you find that surprising, it’s because you’re not normal. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2998 "2012-06-28T23:50:58Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > So, you’re saying that in the 5/6 years you’ve been posting here, in the nearly 7,000 posts you’ve made, you can’t cite a single instance of you changing your mind? On any topic? On something major? Not likely. I make claims only when I have thought about things carefully and am reasonably confident. I realize that this may seem odd to you, since you seem to enjoy shooting from the hip, but there it is. > [@](#): > > Oh, and to answer your question, yes, fully-functioning human beings change their minds. Their opinions change. Their attitudes change. If you find that surprising, it’s because you’re not normal. Ummm, that’s not the question I was asking. I completely agree that normal people change their minds on stuff. The question is whether they explicitly do so on major issues they discuss on message boards. In your view,anyone here with more than 6000 posts who has not explicitly made a post in which they expressed a change in their mind on something major is not a fully functioning human being? A simple yes or no will do. Oh, and will you take my bet or not? A simple yes or no will do. And another question: Is it your position that I have never changed my mind on any major issue? ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/2999 "2012-06-28T23:59:05Z")
_finishes popcorn, folds up lawn chair_ I think if \*\*NDD \*\*and **Brazil** are still unable to grasp the relativelty simple concept of “blacks aren’t a monolithic genetic group” after 58 pages of it being pounded into their heads, I don’t think you’re going to convince them of anything. Might as well go find something else to be outraged about. Hey look, over there! It’s **umkay** dressed up as **notokay** dressed up as Michael Jackson in drag! Getcher pithy insults ready. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3000 "2012-06-29T00:01:16Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > On something major? Not likely. I make claims only when I have thought about things carefully and am reasonably confident. Well, it’s clear that you’re wrong about the topic being discussed. It’s also clear that you lack the intellectual capacity to understand that you’re wrong, so I can’t see the benefit to me in discussing it with you. > [@](#): > > Ummm, that’s not the question I was asking. I completely agree that normal people change their minds on stuff. The question is whether they explicitly do so on major issues they discuss on message boards. > > In your view,anyone here with more than 6000 posts who has not explicitly made a post in which they expressed a change in their mind on something major is not a fully functioning human being? > > A simple yes or no will do. > > Oh, and will you take my bet or not? > > A simple yes or no will do. > > And another question: > > Is it your position that I have never changed my mind on any major issue? Yeah, this isn’t the kind of thing that normal people post. I would argue about this with you, but you have demonstrated to my satisfaction that you lack the intellectual capacity to debate in good faith, so I’m not going to continue this discussion. Also, NDD is still an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3001 "2012-06-29T00:01:19Z")
Dammit, I was led to believe suppression was going on in this thread! What a rip-off. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3002 "2012-06-29T00:04:31Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > I just fucking hate him. What about Chuck11? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=149) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=151)