# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 154
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3063 "2012-06-29T15:17:09Z")
If you demonstrated even a passing familiarity with what scientific **inquiry** entails, then maybe we’d care. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3064 "2012-06-29T15:24:08Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Look at the whip scar on my leg and tell me racists have never harmed me. > > Go on, tell my sister that it’s OK, she can have the year of her life she spent in hiding back, because obviously racists never harmed her. > > If you’d heard my late Grandfather drunkenly mumbling about electrodes and how “they” were watching him, and realised this was the result of torture, not dementia, I dare you to try and tell me racists never harmed me. > > You _could_ claim to never have directly harmed me if you were _one_ lone theorist, pissing in the wind - your pseudoscience would only harm my senses of taste and logic then. But you forget that there are people who put your fucking disgusting beliefs into practice. > > They used to run my country. > > And they were wrong, and you are wrong too, and history will piss on your collective graves. > > So **An Gadaí** is right: Fuck that shit. In South Africa the murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants is 32.In the United States it is 4.8. In countries with very small black populations it is usually much lower. > **[List of countries by intentional homicide rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)** > > The list of countries by homicide rate is derived from United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) data, and is expressed in number of deaths per 100,000 population per year. For example, a homicide rate of 30 out of 100,000 is presented in the table as "30", and corresponds to 0.03% of the population dying by homicide. The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary. Only UNODC-vetted data is used in the main table to maintain consistency. In some cases, i Homicide rates ... I have not found reliable statistics of how the end of Apartheid effected the murder rate in South Africa. Nevertheless, those expecting great things from that end deserve to feel disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3065 "2012-06-29T15:28:32Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have not found reliable statistics of how the end of Apartheid effected the murder rate in South Africa. Nevertheless, those expecting great things from that end deserve to feel disappointed. You’re blaming the victims here? Words cannot adequately describe exactly how fucked in the head one has to be to do that. That’s one of the most heartless and cruel things I’ve ever read. Indeed, fuck that shit. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3066 "2012-06-29T15:36:25Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Emotion is never an appropriate response to a scientific inquirery into the reasons for racial differences in intelligence, crime, and sexual behavior. [This site](http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&biw=1024&bih=475&tbm=isch&tbnid=1zYWHdKa-frrSM:&imgrefurl=http://www.whosyourvulva.com/blog/2012/1/4/dont-be-a-douchebag.html&docid=qXbGEKcEnRJUcM&imgurl=http://www.whosyourvulva.com/storage/post-images/douchebag.jpg%253F__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION%253D1325736111826&w=300&h=300&ei=JsvtT9jiDdGl6AGnuqWcCg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=211&vpy=146&dur=704&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=96&ty=131&sig=104000242592643820162&page=2&tbnh=142&tbnw=130&start=12&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:12,i:201) might interest you. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3067 "2012-06-29T15:39:01Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Emotion is never an appropriate response to a scientific inquirery into the reasons for racial differences in intelligence, crime, and sexual behavior. No, but science is. NDD, do you know what the term “confound” means when used in a scientific context? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3068 "2012-06-29T15:41:45Z")
Ok, he’s not biting but I’m dying over here. Does it mean something more specific than just confusing? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3069 "2012-06-29T15:50:35Z")
> [@XT](#): > > he’s got an intelligence rating of about .8 gonzos, which is only slightly smarter than a massively brain damaged sponge > -XT 😃 Thanks; I needed that. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3070 "2012-06-29T15:50:52Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > You gave the conditions under which you were offering an apology and I accepted. Now you’re changing those conditions? Not at all. My apology was contingent on me having missed a post in which NDD stated that he was suppressed – as opposed to stating that there were people who wanted to suppress him. Did I miss such a post? If so, please show it to me. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3071 "2012-06-29T16:01:47Z")
Well, _I_ thought the conditions were met, but if you don’t… whatever. Feel free to take back your apology, it’s not like I was using as collateral on a bank loan or anything. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3072 "2012-06-29T16:03:15Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > No, but science is. > > NDD, do you know what the term “confound” means when used in a scientific context? The overwhelming evidence is that genes matter in human affairs. The discovery of genes for intelligence, other talents, and behavior patterns will be more than additional evidence, it will be proof. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3073 "2012-06-29T16:03:35Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Ok, he’s not biting but I’m dying over here. Does it mean something more specific than just confusing? Sorry! I may be on ignore. A confound is essentially a third variable that correlates with the two variables you’re interested in. In the present case, the manifest relationship between race and intelligence or race and other social problems that NDD is going on about is confounded by poverty, especially in the United States. That raises the possibility that the relationship between the two variables is a spurious one. When talking about race in the United States, it’s essentially impossible to have a representative sample in which African Americans are not overrepresented at the low end of the poverty variable. So, when NDD has gotten to his last bastion of “Prove there’s no observed difference in [intelligence/academic performance/offending behavior] between African Americans and whites,” he’s omitting the fact that those observed differences do not account for the disproportionately impoverished nature of the African Americans in that data. Of course, he knows this, and he’s been handed full and complete copies of the most up to date literature reviews on the topic, but he is, as we all painfully have learned, completely uninterested in the truth of the matter. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3074 "2012-06-29T16:06:45Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > If you demonstrated even a passing familiarity with what scientific **inquiry** entails, then maybe we’d care. What don’t I understand about scientific inquiry? 😕 I have posted facts documented by credible sources that average differences between the races in ability levels and behavior are significant and durable. Those who maintain that the races are biologically equal believe something for which there is no evidence at all. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3075 "2012-06-29T16:13:57Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Those who maintain that the races are biologically equal believe something for which there is no evidence at all. Yeah, somebody should suppress those people. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3076 "2012-06-29T16:16:29Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The overwhelming evidence is that genes matter in human affairs. The discovery of genes for intelligence, other talents, and behavior patterns will be more than additional evidence, it will be proof. That has nothing to do with confounding. You are aware, of course, that environmental factors influence the expression of genetic effects. Gene by environment interactions are standard foci of present investigations. Environmental factors not only influence biological processes and development, but they may also act as an influence on genetic processes as well. For instance, impoverished environmental factors have been linked to elevated levels of DNA methylation (which may inhibit the expression of a gene) in the regulatory regions for glucocorticoid receptors in the hippocampus. The hippocampus is a critical area for memory, recall and learning. So, your simplistic and repetitive nonsense doesn’t even remotely come close to appreciating the issues involved. That’s even before getting into your apparent ignorance on genetics and racial categories. And you have a tiny penis. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3077 "2012-06-29T16:19:14Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > When have I ever been mistaken about a factual assertion? Quote it and paste it here. Hey shitstain. A few pages back, I [posted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15212294&postcount=2696) to show how the inferences you so repetitively draw from the same sources (most commonly, the [Wiki link](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) which lists countries by intentional homicide rate) may be, and most likely are, seriously mistaken. Just today, over in one of the other threads you’re throwing feces around in, you posted this [gem](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15220913&postcount=45): > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by NoDickDefinitely > > \*"In South Africa **the murder rate** per 100,000 inhabitants is 32.In the United States it is 4.8. In countries with very small black populations it is usually much lower. > > [List of lists of lists - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of)…\_homicide\_rate > > I have not found reliable statistics of how the end of Apartheid effected the murder rate in South Africa. Nevertheless, those expecting great things from that end deserve to feel disappointed."\* You astoundingly stupid fuck - the first two paragraphs of your Wiki link clearly state: _“The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary.[1] The legal definition of “intentional homicide” differs among countries. Intentional homicide may or may not include infanticide, assisted suicide or euthanasia. Intentional homicide demographics are affected by changes in trauma care, leading to changed lethality of violent assaults, so the intentional homicide rate may not necessarily indicate the overall level of societal violence.[2] They may also be underreported for political reasons.[3][4]”_ You can **not** reasonably posit anything about the **murder rate** in South Africa vis-a-vis that in the USA by citing this link. Goddamit, I take back my earlier judgment. You really are an imbecile. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3078 "2012-06-29T16:20:22Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > In the present case, the manifest relationship between race and intelligence or race and other social problems that NDD is going on about is confounded by poverty, especially in the United States. That raises the possibility that the relationship between the two variables is a spurious one. > > When talking about race in the United States, it’s essentially impossible to have a representative sample in which African Americans are not overrepresented at the low end of the poverty variable. poverty does not explain the disparity between Blacks and Whites in secondary school performance. Take poverty out of the picture entirely by examining equally affluent Blacks and Whites living in the same communities and the disparity in academic performance remains. In social science terms, the disparity is statistically robust. It is not an artifact of one or another way of analyzing the data. It leaps out of the data no matter how one approaches the analysis, and it seems about equally severe in every region of the nation, in every demographic mix, in urban, suburban, and rural schools, and in impoverished, median-income, and affluent communities alike. [http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=17985](http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=17985) * * * IQ Scores of Blacks and Whites Regress toward the Averages of Their Race. Parents pass on only some exceptional genes to offspring so parents with very high IQs tend to have more average children. Black and White children with parents of IQ 115 move to different averages–Blacks toward 85 and Whites to 100. [http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx#id\_d90f8fc5-74e1-46ab-bd03-eafd0730133a](http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx#id_d90f8fc5-74e1-46ab-bd03-eafd0730133a) ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3079 "2012-06-29T16:22:43Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > What don’t I understand about scientific inquiry? 😕 Everything. > [@](#): > > I have posted facts documented by credible sources that average differences between the races in ability levels and behavior are significant and durable. Merely repeating something doesn’t make it true. Your sources are not credible and there are other studies out there by reputable scientists with replicable results that do not bear out your opinions. > [@](#): > > Those who maintain that the races are biologically equal believe something for which there is no evidence at all. This is a completely different argument now. Biologically equal? A black man is just as capable of fathering a child with a white woman as a white man is. I can’t think how else one could be biologically dissimilar. Thank you for the information, Hentor. I’m familiar with the concept but not the name. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3080 "2012-06-29T16:29:32Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > poverty does not explain the disparity between Blacks and Whites in secondary school performance. Take poverty out of the picture entirely by examining equally affluent Blacks and Whites living in the same communities and the disparity in academic performance remains. This is simply false. You continue to absorb information from one or two sources that fit with your belief (citing again Rushton as you do) and reject other science (the American Psychologist article I gave you, for instance) because it doesn’t fit your preference. This is not science. This is bias, and yours is flapping all over the place. And you have a tiny penis. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3081 "2012-06-29T16:37:09Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > [http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=17985](http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=17985) > [http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx#id\_d90f8fc5-74e1-46ab-bd03-eafd0730133a](http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx#id_d90f8fc5-74e1-46ab-bd03-eafd0730133a) Your google-fu is incomplete, highly selective, and misleading. Your cites are stupid and you are stupid. (ETA: And, apparently, have a tiny penis. I have a cite for that.) ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3082 "2012-06-29T16:37:49Z")
**NDD** : “You psychos, racists never harmed anyone!” **MrDibble** : “I’ve got fuckin’ scars to disprove that!” **NDD** : “The murder rate in South Africa is…blah, blah. Go Apartheid!” Surreal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=153) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=155)