# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 155
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3083 "2012-06-29T16:50:07Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > So, what you’re saying is that your mental ilness is not autism? Autism isn’t a mental illness. Just FYI. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3084 "2012-06-29T16:52:08Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > What don’t I understand about scientific inquiry? 😕 > > I have posted facts documented by credible sources that average differences between the races in ability levels and behavior are significant and durable. > > Those who maintain that the races are biologically equal believe something for which there is no evidence at all. Neil Degrasse Tyson is a genius. You are not. Haha. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3085 "2012-06-29T16:53:05Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, _I_ thought the conditions were met, but if you don’t… whatever. Feel free to take back your apology, it’s not like I was using as collateral on a bank loan or anything. These kinds of things are Serious Business to people with autism. You have caused him great mental anguish by accepting his apology, and you should take it back immediately before he has a screaming fit. Judge Wapner! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3086 "2012-06-29T17:06:56Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > These kinds of things are Serious Business to people with autism. You have caused him great mental anguish by accepting his apology, and you should take it back immediately before he has a screaming fit. Judge Wapner! Yeah, but your quote reminded me that I left a word out of my post, something I missed even after going back to edit it. I should have said: “it’s not like I was using **it** as collateral”. Since I have occasional bouts of obsessive-compulsion, this is going to bug me for days. Jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3087 "2012-06-29T17:11:52Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Autism isn’t a mental illness. Just FYI. What do you mean by this? It really is. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3088 "2012-06-29T17:31:11Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m afraid they may be from Greece, and therefor the [victim of Negro genes.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15210628&postcount=2666) I thought that was Sicilians? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3089 "2012-06-29T17:33:59Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > This is simply false. You continue to absorb information from one or two sources that fit with your belief (citing again Rushton as you do) and reject other science (the American Psychologist article I gave you, for instance) because it doesn’t fit your preference. > > This is not science. This is bias, and yours is flapping all over the place. > > And you have a tiny penis. If it is false, post a study that indicates that when blacks and whites are of the same income level they perform comparably in school. There are plenty of studies that indicate the opposite. Here is another one: What are the causes of this persistent gap in achievement? In study after study, scholars have investigated the effects of differences among white and black students in their socioeconomic status, family structure, and neighborhood characteristics and in the quality of their schools. To be sure, socioeconomic status and the trappings of poverty are important factors in explaining racial differences in educational achievement. Yet **a substantial gap remains even after these crucial influences are accounted for**. > **[Falling Behind](https://www.educationnext.org/fallingbehind/)** > > New evidence on the black-white achievement gap ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3090 "2012-06-29T17:40:15Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > What do you mean by this? It really is. It’s a developmental disorder or developmental disability. It almost always develops in early childhood and can have physical as well as behavioral symptoms. It’s similar, but not the same as a mental illness. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3091 "2012-06-29T17:43:03Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Everything.Merely repeating something doesn’t make it true. Your sources are not credible. My sources include the U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics. (2011): > **[Fast Facts: SAT scores (171)](https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171)** > > The NCES Fast Facts Tool provides quick answers to many education questions (National Center for Education Statistics). Get answers on Early Childhood Education, Elementary and Secondary Education and Higher Education here. and the Bureau of Justice Statistics of the United States Department of Justice: [http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm) Many sources document a relationship between the racial composition of a country’s population and the murder rate: > **[List of countries by intentional homicide rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)** > > The list of countries by homicide rate is derived from United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) data, and is expressed in number of deaths per 100,000 population per year. For example, a homicide rate of 30 out of 100,000 is presented in the table as "30", and corresponds to 0.03% of the population dying by homicide. The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary. Only UNODC-vetted data is used in the main table to maintain consistency. In some cases, i Homicide rates ... According to the OECD/PISA Study countries where school children outperform American children are always countries where the vast majority is white European, or Oriental: > **[Who's No. 1? Finland, Japan and Korea, Says OECD Education Study - Site...](https://siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm)** > > Who's No. 1? Finland, Japan and Korea, Says OECD Education Study ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3092 "2012-06-29T17:45:03Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, _I_ thought the conditions were met, but if you don’t… whatever. Feel free to take back your apology, it’s not like I was using as collateral on a bank loan or anything. No need to take it back – since you never met the condition. I do think you owe NDD an apology for lying about what he said. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3093 "2012-06-29T17:46:38Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > It’s a developmental disorder or developmental disability. It almost always develops in early childhood and can have physical as well as behavioral symptoms. It’s similar, but not the same as a mental illness. You’re using an idiosyncratic definition of mental illness. Autistic Disorder is certainly included in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV). Lots of other disorders have physical symptoms (e.g. anxiety disorders, depression). ADHD always develops in early childhood, as does Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Many, many disorders show developmental progressions. Are these not mental disorders? So, what is a mental disorder, in your definition? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3094 "2012-06-29T17:49:19Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If it is false, post a study that indicates that when blacks and whites are of the same income level they perform comparably in school. There are plenty of studies that indicate the opposite. > > Here is another one: > > What are the causes of this persistent gap in achievement? In study after study, scholars have investigated the effects of differences among white and black students in their socioeconomic status, family structure, and neighborhood characteristics and in the quality of their schools. To be sure, socioeconomic status and the trappings of poverty are important factors in explaining racial differences in educational achievement. Yet **a substantial gap remains even after these crucial influences are accounted for**. > [http://educationnext.org/fallingbehind/](http://educationnext.org/fallingbehind/) And once again you are a demonstrated idiot for not looking at the whole report and its conclusions: > [@](#): > > Compared with the results of previous studies, our findings provide reason for optimism. We find smaller achievement gaps, in both the raw and the adjusted scores, for children born in the early 1990s than others had found for earlier birth cohorts. It could well be that, as compared with earlier generations of students, the current cohort of blacks has made real gains relative to whites. Indeed, recent cohorts show smaller raw black-white gaps across multiple data sets–a truly promising sign. > > Once students enter school, however, the gap between white and black children grows, even after controlling for observable influences.\*\* We speculate that blacks are losing ground relative to whites because they attend lower-quality schools that are less well maintained and managed as indicated by signs of social discord. Though we recognize that we have not provided definitive proof, this is the only hypothesis that receives any empirical support.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3095 "2012-06-29T17:51:14Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > My sources include the U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics. (2011): > > [Fast Facts: SAT scores (171)](http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171) > > and the Bureau of Justice Statistics of the United States Department of Justice: > > [http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm) > > Many sources document a relationship between the racial composition of a country’s population and the murder rate: > > [List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) > > According to the OECD/PISA Study countries where school children outperform American children are always countries where the vast majority is white European, or Oriental: > > [Who's No. 1? Finland, Japan and Korea, Says OECD Education Study - Site Selection Online Insider](http://siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm) Jesus, you’re stupid. None of that supports a claim that blacks are innately less intelligent than whites. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3096 "2012-06-29T17:52:45Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If it is false, post a study that indicates that when blacks and whites are of the same income level they perform comparably in school. There are plenty of studies that indicate the opposite. > > Here is another one: > > [http://educationnext.org/fallingbehind/](http://educationnext.org/fallingbehind/) Here’s the results from the link POSTED BY NEW DEAL DEMOCRAT HIMSELF: > [@](#): > > Adjusting the test scores for these characteristics one at a time allows us to isolate the effects of each one. First consider socioeconomic status […] adjusting the data for the effects of socioeconomic status reduces the estimated racial gaps in test scores by more than 40 percent in math and more than 66 percent in reading. […] The number of books in the household is a useful proxy for the home environment’s contribution to academic success. Adjusting the test-score data for this factor reduces the gap even more. […] Taking this difference into account cuts the black-white test-score gap to less than a fourth of a standard deviation in math and completely eliminates the gap in reading. > > We next adjust the data for the effects of gender, age, birth weight, the age at which the mother had her first child, and participation in the WIC program (a supplemental food program for women, infants and children restricted to low-income families). […] > > More important for this analysis, adding these variables to the equation further accounts for the differences between the test scores of whites and those of blacks and Hispanics. \*\*In fact, the estimates suggest that black children with characteristics similar to their white peers score slightly better than whites in reading and only slightly worse in math \*\* […] > > Of particular interest is the fact that only a few social background characteristics need to be taken into account in order to eliminate the black-white gap. **Once we adjusted the data for the effects of socioeconomic status, birth weight, participation in WIC, and a few other variables, we were able to fully account for the difference in test scores** […] > > Nevertheless, the fact that the black-white test-score gap essentially disappears when sufficient controls are included is striking. Bolding mine. And you have a tiny penis. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3097 "2012-06-29T17:56:52Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > You’re using an idiosyncratic definition of mental illness. Autistic Disorder is certainly included in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV). “Mental disorder” isn’t the same as “mental illness.” Subtle distinction, yes, but important. Here the defiitions from the DSM: "Axis I: Clinical Syndromes ``` This is what we typically think of as the diagnosis (e.g., depression, schizophrenia, social phobia) ``` Axis II: Developmental Disorders and Personality Disorders ``` Developmental disorders include autism and mental retardation, disorders which are typically first evident in childhood Personality disorders are clinical syndromes which have a more long lasting symptoms and encompass the individual's way of interacting with the world. They include Paranoid, Antisocial, and Borderline Personality Disorders." ``` [http://allpsych.com/disorders/dsm.html](http://allpsych.com/disorders/dsm.html) > [@](#): > > Lots of other disorders have physical symptoms (e.g. anxiety disorders, depression). ADHD always develops in early childhood, as does Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Many, many disorders show developmental progressions. Are these not mental disorders? Yes. Just not mental illnesses. The bottom line is that there’s overlap in all these terms. Most professionals wouldn’t call autism a mental illness though. They would call it a developmental disorder, which may also be subset of mental disorders. Developmental disorders are basically things that you are born with or probably born with, or at least develops in early childhood, whereas mental illness can happen to a normal person at any time in life. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3098 "2012-06-29T17:57:10Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Many sources document a relationship between the racial composition of a country’s population and the murder rate: > > [List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) HEY SHITHEAD 12 posts ago, I [corrected](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15221120&postcount=2930) you about using that Wiki homicide link to make your stupid fucking points about “teh niggers”. Once again, _as even your own link clearly states_, national homicide rates DO NOT compare the actual murder rates between countries. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3099 "2012-06-29T17:59:56Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Jesus, you’re stupid. None of that supports a claim that blacks are innately less intelligent than whites. The durability of the race gap in both academic performance and crime gives impressive evidence for biological differences. All that remains is the discovery of genes for intelligence and crime, and the corresponding discovery that these genes are unevenly distributed between the races. Those discoveries will be more than evidence, they will be proof that ends the debate. Meanwhile, the burden of proof is in those who claim that the races are biologically equivalent. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3100 "2012-06-29T18:01:37Z")
Males OVERWHELMINGLY commit more murders and violent crimes than females. Guys, that must mean we are genetically inferior! My wife is right. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3101 "2012-06-29T18:02:33Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > HEY SHITHEAD > > 12 posts ago, I [corrected](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15221120&postcount=2930) you about using that Wiki homicide link to make your stupid fucking points about “teh niggers”. > > Once again, _as even your own link clearly states_, national homicide rates DO NOT compare the actual murder rates between countries. You are a bully, a coward, and a fool. You and your kind are also a disappointment. Initially I though The Straight Dope was a place to have civil, erudite discussions of controversial issues. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3102 "2012-06-29T18:05:07Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > You’re blaming the victims here? Words cannot adequately describe exactly how fucked in the head one has to be to do that. That’s one of the most heartless and cruel things I’ve ever read. > > Indeed, fuck that shit. When discussing the intractable nature of racial differences the truth often hurts, but the truth matters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=154) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=156)