# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 156
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3103 "2012-06-29T18:05:09Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Many sources document a relationship between the racial composition of a country’s population and the murder rate: > > [List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) Let’s take a look at your “source,” shall we? Here are the top 10 countries by murder rate: Honduras El Salvador Saint Kitts and Nevis Venezuela Belize Guatemala Jamaica Bahamas Colombia South Africa As [even] you can probably see, only one of them is in Africa. Five of the top 10 are in Central or South America. Let’s check out the demographics for the worst of the worst, Honduras: > [@Wikipedia](#): > > **Ninety percent of the Honduran population is Mestizo and white[51] (a mixture of Amerindian and European ancestry**). About 7% of the Honduran population are members of one of the seven recognized indigenous groups. > > **About 2% of Honduras’s population is black** ,[51] or Afro-Honduran, and mainly reside on the country’s Caribbean coast. ([link](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honduras#Demographics)) (bolding mine.) Golly, how can that possibly be? Either those are the hardest-working black murderers in the entire world, or the European descendants of Honduras are being very naughty indeed, despite their superior genes. (And as always, you have a microphallus.) ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3104 "2012-06-29T18:06:44Z")
**NDD** , you really are a f’ing idiot. You argument has proceeded to a ridiculous rant now. Why not bring in some space aliens and a cool mothership and anal probing as a end all means of proving your point. I think you’d find more support if you did. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3105 "2012-06-29T18:09:43Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > The bottom line is that there’s overlap in all these terms. Most professionals wouldn’t call autism a mental illness though. They would call it a developmental disorder, which may also be subset of mental disorders. > > Developmental disorders are basically things that you are born with or probably born with, or at least develops in early childhood, whereas mental illness can happen to a normal person at any time in life. I am a professional. What you have written makes no sense. We do not make distinctions like this between mental illness or mental disorder. We do not exclude disorders from these categories due to their developmental nature. Also, Autistic Disorder (299.00) is an Axis I Diagnosis, as are all the other Pervasive Developmental Disorders (Asperger’s Disorder, Rett’s Disorder, Childhood Disintegrative Disorder and of course PDD NOS). Axis II Diagnoses are exclusively the personality disorders and mental retardation. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3106 "2012-06-29T18:09:52Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > When discussing the intractable nature of racial differences the truth often hurts, but the truth matters. So, the truth that white South Africans committed unconscionable acts against **MrDibble** and his family is somehow validated by genetics? There’s an ass/brain connection here that most humans manage to avoid, Mr That’s-not-a-wart-that’s-my-penis. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3107 "2012-06-29T18:10:47Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Let’s take a look at your “source,” shall we? Here are the top 10 countries by murder rate: > > Honduras > El Salvador > Saint Kitts and Nevis > Venezuela > Belize > Guatemala > Jamaica > Bahamas > Colombia > South Africa > > As [even] you can probably see, only one of them is in Africa. Five of the top 10 are in Central or South America. Let’s check out the demographics for the worst of the worst, Honduras: > > (bolding mine.) Golly, how can that possibly be? Either those are the hardest-working black murderers in the entire world, or the European descendants of Honduras are being very naughty indeed, despite their superior genes. > > (And as always, you have a microphallus.) The 10,000 Year Explosion, which I reviewed here: > **[The 10,000 Year Explosion - a book review](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=605733)** > > In The 10,000 Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution Gregory Cochran and Henry Harpending argue just that: human evolution is advancing faster and faster. Cochran and Harpending are anthropology professors at the University of... presents a plausible argument that the longer a population has practiced agriculture and urban civilization the lower its crime rate is likely to be. That is why white European and Oriental countries nearly always have lower crime rates than third world countries. The only exceptions seem to be Russia and North Korea. Race is not the only factor that influences a country’s crime rate. It seems to be the most important. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3108 "2012-06-29T18:11:00Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > When discussing the intractable nature of racial differences the truth often hurts, but the truth matters. I’m not going to allow you to hijack this thread and will direct you back [to your own Pitting](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15221537&postcount=2956). ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3109 "2012-06-29T18:12:12Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The durability of the race gap in both academic performance and crime gives impressive evidence for biological differences. It means no such thing. > [@](#): > > All that remains is the discovery of genes for intelligence and crime, and the corresponding discovery that these genes are unevenly distributed between the races. So, basically everything. > [@](#): > > Meanwhile, the burden of proof is in those who claim that the races are biologically equivalent. So, how many times were you dropped as a baby? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3110 "2012-06-29T18:12:24Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The durability of the race gap in both academic performance and crime gives impressive evidence for biological differences. All that remains is the discovery of genes for intelligence and crime, and the corresponding discovery that these genes are unevenly distributed between the races. Those discoveries will be more than evidence, they will be proof that ends the debate. > > Meanwhile, the burden of proof is in those who claim that the races are biologically equivalent. You yourself just cited a source that demonstrated that accounting for impoverished environmental factors explained the observed differences in academic achievement between African American and White youth. Let me repeat that for emphasis: You yourself just cited a source that demonstrated that accounting for impoverished environmental factors explained the observed differences in academic achievement between African American and White youth. And you have a tiny penis. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3111 "2012-06-29T18:17:18Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > …So, how many times were you dropped as a baby? I was thinking oxygen starvation at birth. But you might be right, it could be head trauma. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3112 "2012-06-29T18:18:43Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I am a professional. What you have written makes no sense. We do not make distinctions like this between mental illness or mental disorder. Seems to me you do. If the DSM is about mental disorders, and Axis 2 is included in it, but Axis 2 isn’t mental illness but is still mental disorder, that’s a distinction. The book itself makes mental illness (Axis 1) a subset of mental disorder. > [@](#): > > We do not exclude disorders from these categories due to their developmental nature. > > Also, Autistic Disorder (299.00) is an Axis I Diagnosis, as are all the other Pervasive Developmental Disorders (Asperger’s Disorder, Rett’s Disorder, Childhood Disintegrative Disorder and of course PDD NOS). > > Axis II Diagnoses are exclusively the personality disorders and mental retardation. I found this: “the category of disorders under which Autism falls, Pervasive Developmental Disorders, are now coded in a different location in DSM-IV than in its predecessor, DSM-IIIR. It used to be the case that the Pervasive Developmental Disorders were coded on Axis II, the axis that was reserved for long-term, stable disorders with relatively poor prognosis for improvement. Pervasive Developmental Disorders are now coded on Axis I, the axis that is used to diagnose episodic and more transient clinical disorders. The possible implication of this move is the recognition that symptoms of these disorders can vary and possibly improve with intervention whereas the disorders which remain on Axis II, mental retardation and the personality disorders, are typically long-term and often unresponsive to treatment.” [http://legacy.autism.com/autism/behavior/dsm.htm](http://legacy.autism.com/autism/behavior/dsm.htm) That explains our confusion. It used to be in one place but now it’s in another. I don’t think it’s fair to call it a mental illness though. That implies that anyone can get it at any time in life. Autism is likely genetic and develops almost exclusively in early childhood. That’s closer to mental retardation than mental illness (both of those terms are kind of vague and out of date anyway). What this axis change reflects is that the distinctions aren’t so clear, especially given the change above. Autism didn’t change, just the understanding of possible treatments. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3113 "2012-06-29T18:19:37Z")
I’m not familiar enough with the symptoms of each so I’ll defer to your expertise and I withdraw the question. NDD, how many times were you asphyxiated as a baby? ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3114 "2012-06-29T18:24:33Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > You are a bully, a coward, and a fool. You and your kind are also a disappointment. Initially I though The Straight Dope was a place to have civil, erudite discussions of controversial issues. I am not a bully, coward, nor a fool, at least when compared to a worthless lump like you. If you had your way, you would bully “Negroes” into work camps or the gallows; you are a coward, because the idea of racial equality obviously terrifies you; and you are a fool, because you tenaciously cling to the hollow bankruptcy of your beliefs and refuse to consider all the ample evidence which would demolish them. I also note that you refuse to address the substance of my criticism and instead prefer to discuss politeness and such. Yeah, I’m sure any neutral third party would think you won this “debate”. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3115 "2012-06-29T18:27:09Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The 10,000 Year Explosion, which I reviewed here: > > [The 10,000 Year Explosion - a book review - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=605733) > > presents a plausible argument that the longer a population has practiced agriculture and urban civilization the lower its crime rate is likely to be. That is why white European and Oriental countries nearly always have lower crime rates than third world countries. The only exceptions seem to be Russia and North Korea. > > Race is not the only factor that influences a country’s crime rate. It seems to be the most important. Why don’t you actually answer VT’s question, you shitsack? Are you a coward or a fool? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3116 "2012-06-29T18:30:51Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > presents a plausible argument Plausible? PLAUSIBLE? That’s the best you got? You’ve been going on and on about genetic evidence and now you want people to accept “_plausible_” as a valid argument? Quit wasting electrons, you small-sacked excuse for a human being. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3117 "2012-06-29T18:30:52Z")
P.S. I believe the DSM uses the most precise term for autism that reflects the likelihood that it is physiological: “neurodevelopmental disorder.” ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3118 "2012-06-29T18:39:47Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > P.S. I believe the DSM uses the most precise term for autism that reflects the likelihood that it is physiological: “neurodevelopmental disorder.” We simply don’t make the distinctions you’re talking about. Austism is a mental disorder, and there is no distinction between mental disorder and mental illness. The fact that is has neurological and devevlopmental features describe some differences between autism and other disorders, but not in any meaningful way that will have it excluded from DSM 5. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3119 "2012-06-29T18:45:37Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > We simply don’t make the distinctions you’re talking about. Austism is a mental disorder, I don’t think many people, even professionals, would call it a mental “illness” though. > [@](#): > > and there is no distinction between mental disorder and mental illness. In the real world there is. You’re stuck in your professional perspective. You may be right when you’re at some professional conference, but using your professional terms in the real world is a different issue. > [@](#): > > The fact that is has neurological and devevlopmental features describe some differences between autism and other disorders, but not in any meaningful way that will have it excluded from DSM 5. I didn’t say it shouldn’t be in DSM-5. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3120 "2012-06-29T18:52:38Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > We simply don’t make the distinctions you’re talking about. Austism is a mental disorder, and there is no distinction between mental disorder and mental illness. The fact that is has neurological and devevlopmental features describe some differences between autism and other disorders, but not in any meaningful way that will have it excluded from DSM 5. P.S. you will find this interesting: > **[Dear Abby: Is Autism a Mental Illness?](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-practice/200807/dear-abby-is-autism-mental-illness)** > > “Dear Abby” has been “corrected” by readers who find her “way off base” for misclassifying autism. In a prior column, she had called it a “mental-health disorder.” Now she accepts that she was mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3121 "2012-06-29T18:54:43Z")
Autism mental illness gets 6 million hits on google. I’d say that’s enough to say the real world doesn’t see a problem with it. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3122 "2012-06-29T18:55:45Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > P.S. you will find this interesting: > > [Dear Abby: Is Autism a Mental Illness? | Psychology Today](http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-practice/200807/dear-abby-is-autism-mental-illness) If that author agrees with anyone, he agrees with Hentor. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=155) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=157)