# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 159
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3163 "2012-06-30T13:44:56Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Blow me. You sure you want him to touch you? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3164 "2012-06-30T13:46:22Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Or it could mean that the intelligence gap between blacks and whites is less obvious at young ages. Yes, a fundamental quality of IQ is that it changes with age. No, wait, that’s not right… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3165 "2012-06-30T13:48:31Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > A number of posters have expressed the desire that I be banned. I wonder why, considering your advocating the torture of another doper. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > > [@MrDibble](#): > > > > Look at the whip scar on my leg and tell me racists have never harmed me. > > > > Go on, tell my sister that it’s OK, she can have the year of her life she spent in hiding back, because obviously racists never harmed her. > > > > If you’d heard my late Grandfather drunkenly mumbling about electrodes and how “they” were watching him, and realised this was the result of torture, not dementia, I dare you to try and tell me racists never harmed me. > > > > You _could_ claim to never have directly harmed me if you were _one_ lone theorist, pissing in the wind - your pseudoscience would only harm my senses of taste and logic then. But you forget that there are people who put your fucking disgusting beliefs into practice. > > > > They used to run my country. > > > > And they were wrong, and you are wrong too, and history will piss on your collective graves. > > > > So **An Gadaí** is right: Fuck that shit. > > In South Africa the murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants is 32.In the United States it is 4.8. In countries with very small black populations it is usually much lower. > > [List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) > > I have not found reliable statistics of how the end of Apartheid effected the murder rate in South Africa. Nevertheless, those expecting great things from that end deserve to feel disappointed. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > > > > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > > > > > I have not found reliable statistics of how the end of Apartheid effected the murder rate in South Africa. Nevertheless, those expecting great things from that end deserve to feel disappointed. > > > > You’re blaming the victims here? Words cannot adequately describe exactly how fucked in the head one has to be to do that. That’s one of the most heartless and cruel things I’ve ever read. > > > > Indeed, fuck that shit. > > When discussing the intractable nature of racial differences the truth often hurts, but the truth matters. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3166 "2012-06-30T14:06:14Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > You sure you want him to touch you? “Blow me through a glory hole while I’m wearing two condoms?” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3167 "2012-06-30T14:11:23Z")
> [@andros](#): > > “Blow me through a glory hole while I’m wearing two condoms?” How about he just go blow a pig? Wait, that’s animal abuse. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3168 "2012-06-30T14:30:39Z")
I must admit to being a little surprised that NDD is shame-deficient enough to persist in this thread. After posting evidence that completely contradicts his assertion, it appears that he’s chosen to blithely press on, trying to ignore such a terribly embarrassing gaffe. At least he should now be painfuly familiar with the concept of confounding variables. I’ve never favored banning for expressing noxious ideas. I think I might favor banning as mercy killing, because this is embarrassing. Our tiny penised friend needs to be figuratively put down for his own good ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3169 "2012-06-30T14:50:46Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I must admit to being a little surprised that NDD is shame-deficient enough to persist in this thread. After posting evidence that completely contradicts his assertion, it appears that he’s chosen to blithely press on, trying to ignore such a terribly embarrassing gaffe. > > At least he should now be painfuly familiar with the concept of confounding variables. Heck, I don’t think he does know what “empirical evidence” means. And no NDD, I’m not angry at all, if you had showed me that researchers agree with your rotten ideas that would had been something, finding that even your examples repudiate you just causes all to point and laugh at your pigheadedness. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3170 "2012-06-30T15:39:19Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > … We are not holding blacks back intellectually In fact you have convinced me of one thing, that the quarter of the americans who would appear to think like you create a hateful environement. You have succeeded in convincing me that it is not only complaining, the stubborn hatefulness and resistance to any evidence convinces me that the persons like you actively hold back black americans. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > … > > I was on David Duke’s Stormfront for a brief while because I wanted to see if I would be allowed to praise the Jews and criticize Hitler. I was not permitted to. This is of course only a smokescreen you use, as you quickly jumped on the **Greek Jews data shown to claim the sub-saharan african component** explained how Greece supposedly by the ridiculous faux data you have pushed is of lower IQ (but this may also say that you do not in fact read anything and only fixate on superficial information as you search for ways to validate . I am certain that no Jew should trust this smokescreen used -it is a pretext and only for its political value to make a small denial of the racial hatred. > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I must admit to being a little surprised that NDD is shame-deficient enough to persist in this thread. After posting evidence that completely contradicts his assertion, it appears that he’s chosen to blithely press on, trying to ignore such a terribly embarrassing gaffe. Did you not also notice the other great mistake? I gave a cite to a paper trying to estimate the **sub-Saharan input** to the European populations post-40 thousand years before present. Of course NDD as he is very stupid jumped in reading to say that the Greeks who were among the populations that showed a more significant sub saharan influence, this explained that Greece according to his “data of national IQ” are not as high as the Germans, although they have the older civilisation - which according to his ad hoc theory as you know changes the genetic intelligence by his lamarckian thinking. Except that it was **Greek Jews** who were tested (and other Jewish communities like other levantine origin populations that are their cousins show higher than ). The paper makes nonsense of his theories and thinking, which as he has showed, it depends on the idea that somehow sub saharan inputs contaminate you with The Black and makes you stupid. He of course then goes silent on this, like all the other instances where the actual science so clearly makes nonsense of his ideas and assertions. The eternaml sahara barrier, oops, the all white moroccans and egyptians, oops. > [@](#): > > At least he should now be painfuly familiar with the concept of confounding variables. He would not understand The idea > [@Fuji](#): > > No, you didn’t answer his arguments. He [noted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15221517&postcount=2953) that the demographic breakdown of Honduras showed that its population was about 90% white or mestizo, whereas only about 7% is indigenous Amerinidian and 2% black, and asked how (by implication, given your racist horseshit theories) this could be so. And it is useful to take note that the Hondarus was among the sites of the ancient meso-american civilisations, and that by genetics, they are mostly of the asian origin amerindien or the european settlers origin. > [@](#): > > You [replied](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15221538&postcount=2957) by citing _The 10,000 Year Explosion_ yet again, adding, “the longer a population has practiced agriculture and urban civilization the lower its crime rate is likely to be. That is why white European and Oriental countries nearly always have lower crime rates than third world countries.” This is funny again as he used third world and contrasts with his oriental, but this manages to exclude populations of countries that should be in his race category of oriental if he includes all the populations of China and the Koreas and the Japan. We again see here that his categories have no thing to do with genetics, it is only about politics. > [@](#): > > I have previously [pointed](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15118797&postcount=210) [out](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15177052&postcount=1848) that your assertion “the longer a population has practiced agriculture and urban civilization the lower its crime rate is likely to be” is complete garbage. Of course he is just making up the ad hoc assertions, he is used to not having people able to show how stupid they are. So he has thought himself very clever. > [@](#): > > On one hand, you have the **fact** that Amerindians are not newcomers to agriculture, having [domesticated maize](http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-03/nsf-wgb032309.php) nearly 9,000 years ago. (Mind you, the domestication of maize from teosinte was a considerably more involved process than the domestication of emmer and einkorn wheat from wild grasses.) > > On the other hand, if your hypothesis were true, one would expect to find a higher “murder rate” in those countries of Latin America with a higher proportion of Amerinidan or black ancestry vis-a-vis European. However, a cursory glance at your “source” reveals that Bolivia, whose [population](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivia#Demographics) is approximately 55% Amerindian, and only 45% mestizo or white, has a homicide rate approximately one tenth that of Honduras. > > There is also the matter of the Germanic peoples, whose relative late adoption of settled urban civilization should mark them as cultural primitives and genetic inferiors by your schema. As noted by [Wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_tribes), “Modern Germanic peoples are the Scandinavians (Norwegians, Swedish, Danish, Icelanders, and Faroese), Germans, Austrians, Alemannic Swiss, Liechtensteiners, Luxembourgers, the Dutch, Flemings, Afrikaners, Frisians, the English and others who still speak languages derived from the ancestral Germanic dialects.” As even a simpleton such as yourself can recognize, these are hardly backward and primitive populations. > > Your theory is crap. Give it up, loser. Ah but you know he will create an elaborate rationale of exceptions, that will have no coherency relative to any genetics, but will be a nice Fable of Esope for the racists who have little knowledge of the history or the sciences involved. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Because I post facts about blacks you assume that I hate them. Your implication is that in order to like them one needs to believe things about them that are not true. We say you hate blacks because of the hatred in the language you use, because of the complete idiocies that you write and the contortions that are clear to avoid admitting the idiocies that go against any logical anlaysis of the datas. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3171 "2012-06-30T15:57:27Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > A number of posters have expressed the desire that I be banned. They ban jerks here. Idiots take longer. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3172 "2012-06-30T16:07:06Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Because I post facts about blacks you assume that I hate them. Your implication is that in order to like them one needs to believe things about them that are not true. So, you do like black people then? After all you are the one, that said: > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I commit incest. Who knows, what else you lie about. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3173 "2012-06-30T17:18:59Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > In fact you have convinced me of one thing, that the quarter of the americans who would appear to think like you create a hateful environement. You have succeeded in convincing me that it is not only complaining, the stubborn hatefulness and resistance to any evidence convinces me that the persons like you actively hold back black Americans. When Jews were allowed to compete intellectually many of them excelled. When blacks were allowed to compete athletically many of them excelled. Blacks are not only allowed to compete intellectually, they are encouraged to. Unfortunately few of them achieve very much. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3174 "2012-06-30T17:24:23Z")
NDD, care to comment on the evidence from your own cite, which demonstrated that controlling for environmental influences explained the observed differences in academic achievement between African Americans and whites? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3175 "2012-06-30T17:32:03Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Your google-fu is incomplete, highly selective, and misleading. > > Your cites are stupid and you are stupid. > (ETA: And, apparently, have a tiny penis. I have a cite for that.) If that is all you can to you are pathetic. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3176 "2012-06-30T17:32:44Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > NDD, care to comment on the evidence from your own cite, which demonstrated that controlling for environmental influences explained the observed differences in academic achievement between African Americans and whites? I realize this question is not addressed to me, but I think it’ worth noting that the source he linked to doesn’t quite say that. It showed that scores for kindergarten aged children were pretty close when various factors were controlled for. But from then on, a substantial gap grew between black and white students even though these various factors had been controlled for. Assuming the linked source is accurate, this is actually very powerful evidence in favor of NDD’s (and my) position. ETA: Especially since the size the gap was apparently smallest if the blacks were in majority white schools. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3177 "2012-06-30T17:35:47Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And once again you are a demonstrated idiot for not looking at the whole report and its conclusions: "Once students enter school, however, the gap between white and black children grows, even after controlling for observable influences. We speculate that blacks are losing ground relative to whites because they attend lower-quality schools that are less well maintained and managed as indicated by signs of social discord. **Though we recognize that we have not provided definitive proof, this is the only hypothesis that receives any empirical support."** Because of the constraints of political correctness most who draw attention to black inadequacies feel the need to put a positive spin on the rather discouraging facts. The problem with the above analysis is that the Washington, DC public school system is one of the best financed public school systems, it has the highest percentage of blacks, and it scores below all of the states. The last sentence is practically a contradiction. What receives empirical support is that nothing brings blacks up to white standards. Effort after effort fails again and again. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3178 "2012-06-30T17:39:14Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I realize this question is not addressed to me, but I think it’ worth noting that the source he linked to doesn’t quite say that. It showed that scores for kindergarten aged children were pretty close when various factors were controlled for. But from then on, a substantial gap grew between black and white students even though these various factors had been controlled for. > > Assuming the linked source is accurate, this is actually very powerful evidence in favor of NDD’s (and my) position. ETA: Especially since the size the gap was apparently smallest if the blacks were in majority white schools. That NDD’s \*\*own linked cite \*\*doesn’t blow you both out of the water completely, and press on! Previous page? What previous page? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3179 "2012-06-30T17:48:28Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If that is all you can to you are pathetic. :smack: Correct. If that were “all I can do” I would, indeed, be pathetic. It’s not, and arguably I’m not. However, you are patently dishonest, disingenuous, and by all appearances pretty stupid. I have no reason to try to engage you in any discussion beyond reminding you that you are a racist and stupid. You already know this, but it can’t hurt to remind you. [My post is my cite.](http://i.qkme.me/3owcr8.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3180 "2012-06-30T17:50:32Z")
“…rather discouraging facts.” Oh, it’s OK, poor little NDD, even your own cite reassures you that your interpretation is incorrect. Of course, the only way you can address that is to _imagine_ that the researcher is intentionally misleading us due to his discomfort with your “real facts”. You lost the last vestiges of your debate yesterday. Not that I’ve seen you address that with any humility or integrity. Thanks for your concern though. You don’t have to be discouraged any more. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3181 "2012-06-30T17:53:47Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > That NDD’s \*\*own linked cite \*\*doesn’t blow you both out of the water completely No it doesn’t . . . are we talking about the same link? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3182 "2012-06-30T17:59:46Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > "Once students enter school, however, the gap between white and black children grows, even after controlling for observable influences. We speculate that blacks are losing ground relative to whites because they attend lower-quality schools that are less well maintained and managed as indicated by signs of social discord. **Though we recognize that we have not provided definitive proof, this is the only hypothesis that receives any empirical support."** > > Because of the constraints of political correctness most who draw attention to black inadequacies feel the need to put a positive spin on the rather discouraging facts. The problem with the above analysis is that the Washington, DC public school system is one of the best financed public school systems, it has the highest percentage of blacks, and it scores below all of the states. > > The last sentence is practically a contradiction. What receives empirical support is that nothing brings blacks up to white standards. Effort after effort fails again and again. Indeed, you do not know what empirical evidence is and you do not have any genetic support to claim you are correct either, and once again you have to rely on a conspiracy theory to make your ideas work, and on top of that you do not know what evidence is good for your side, indeed you could not fail more if you tried, but I know you will not let us down! 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=158) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=160)