# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 161
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3203 "2012-06-30T19:15:39Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Sure, and I also read this: > > i.e. there is still a gap, even when all of their factors are controlled for and even if the school is controlled for. Which is stated in advance of their conclusions, meaning that you are selectively pulling parts of the turd from your cup. > [@](#): > > Also, please answer my question from before: > > When you state that according to the article, “controlling for environmental influences explained the observed differences in academic achievement between African Americans and whites,” are you referring to all observed differences in academic achievement, or just some differences? I did, patiently. Are you thick? Yes, all differences were explained by environmental factors. Again, are you able to read the report yourself? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3204 "2012-06-30T19:16:21Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > are more valid that the researchers? Perhaps, but before I answer that question I would need to know exactly what conclusion you are referring to. Please quote it. Also: Who has better credentials: You or the authors of “The Bell Curve”? Also, please answer my question from before: Do you agree that in the linked article, the authors observe a gap between blacks and whites which is not explained by the factors they cite? If you agree, do you think their observation is an anomaly? And if not, what do you think the reason is for that gap? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3205 "2012-06-30T19:19:58Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Which is stated in advance of their conclusions, meaning that you are selectively pulling parts of the turd from your cup. > I did, patiently. Are you thick? Yes, all differences were explained by environmental factors. Again, are you able to read the report yourself? Sure. Please quote the part of the report which asserts that controlling for environmental influences explained all of the observed differences in academic achievement between African Americans and whites. (Not just those measured in kindergarten). ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3206 "2012-06-30T19:28:39Z")
You know? I think we’re being mean to our racist brothers here. Even they feel that hating blacks for no apparent reason is wrong. Unfortunately, much of the evidence they’re using to avoid being racist in their own minds is flawed, created by “logical” constructs in their own minds, or in cites they obviously don’t understand. I think we should pity them… they obviously will not change their minds, if only for the reason that they would have to face the fact that they are as racist as everyone here already knows. We should also pity them for their small penises. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3207 "2012-06-30T19:32:10Z")
Well, at least I got an apology from brazil84. I may be the only poster on this board, indeed the only person in the history of the world, who’s managed that. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3208 "2012-06-30T19:38:12Z")
No, you could answer that question right now. I’ve laid my credentials out, at your request, several times. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3209 "2012-06-30T19:41:20Z")
There was a whole nother book, refuting the Bell Curve, with multiple authors with credentials the equal to, or better that, the Bell Curve’s authors? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3210 "2012-06-30T19:43:12Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > No, you could answer that question right now. To the extent that the researchers’ conclusion contradicts mine on this issue, my conclusion is more valid regardless of their credentials. Now kindly quote for me the conclusion you had in mind. > [@](#): > > I’ve laid my credentials out, at your request, several times. My apologies – if you did, I forgot. I take it you agree that the authors of the Bell Curve have superior credentials to yours? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3211 "2012-06-30T19:44:57Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > There was a whole nother book, refuting the Bell Curve, with multiple authors with credentials the equal to, or better that, the Bell Curve’s authors? Yes, (ETA: I’m not sure who had the best credentials) and in fact I have read that book. I have also read “The Mismeasure of Man”; the “Bell Curve,” and numerous other sources on these issues. So what? ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3212 "2012-06-30T19:46:22Z")
my conclusion is more valid regardless of their credentials. My post is my cite…:rolleyes: Yes, I \*\*do not \*\*have a PhD. Your turn. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3213 "2012-06-30T19:48:38Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > my conclusion is more valid regardless of their credentials. > > My post is my cite…:rolleyes: LOL. I noticed that too. Just when you thought they couldn’t dig a deeper hole they bring in more shovels. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3214 "2012-06-30T19:49:16Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Yes, I \*\*do not \*\*have a PhD. > Your turn. And do you believe that your conclusions are more valid than those of the authors of the Bell Curve regardless of their credentials? Also, what exactly is the conclusion you were referring to? This is the third and final time I will ask you. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3215 "2012-06-30T19:49:40Z")
Darn, it looks like brazil apologies are cheaper than I thought. Go ahead and accept his apology, Truman, I want to see him demand the cite of your credentials again, because his apology was contingent on “if you did”, therefore you must show that you did. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3216 "2012-06-30T19:57:44Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > And do you believe that your conclusions are more valid than those of the authors of the Bell Curve regardless of their credentials? > > Also, what exactly is the conclusion you were referring to? This is the third and final time I will ask you. Oh oh… another person about to go on the imaginary ignore list! This is totally not as exclusive as I was led to believe! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3217 "2012-06-30T19:59:41Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > And do you believe that your conclusions are more valid than those of the authors of the Bell Curve regardless of their credentials? > > Also, what exactly is the conclusion you were referring to? This is the third and final time I will ask you. Wow, ultimatums and everything. So what is the implied threat: that you’ll add him to your list? At some point we will _all_ be on your ‘liars list’ of ignored posters, and you will be on ours, and then we can all get some peace. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3218 "2012-06-30T20:02:17Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Wow, ultimatums and everything. So what is the implied threat: that you’ll add him to your list? Yes, of course. I have no interest in engaging with people who refuse to answer reasonable questions about their position. > [@](#): > > At some point we will _all_ be on your ‘liars list’ of ignored posters, and you will be on ours, and then we can all get some peace. It’s certainly possible. If you do not wish to engage with me, you are of course free to put me on ignore. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3219 "2012-06-30T20:06:39Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Sure. Please quote the part of the report which asserts that controlling for environmental influences explained all of the observed differences in academic achievement between African Americans and whites. (Not just those measured in kindergarten). For all the occasions where they had concurrent measurements of those factors, they accounted for the observed gap. This is of course consistent with the literature on the subject. And I do have a PhD. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3220 "2012-06-30T20:09:26Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Yes, of course. I have no interest in engaging with people who refuse to answer reasonable questions about their position. > > It’s certainly possible. If you do not wish to engage with me, you are of course free to put me on ignore. Of course, b84 is so stupid that he doesn’t understand the answer when you give it to him. And I’m not going to put him on ignore, this is top notch comedy here. I never thought that I would get this much stupidity from one person EVAR! ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3221 "2012-06-30T20:13:09Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > For all the occasions where they had concurrent measurements of those factors, they accounted for the observed gap. And for some occasions (when they did not have concurrent measurements of those factors), they didn’t? And I take it that you are unable to quote any part of the report which asserts that controlling for environmental influences explained all of the observed differences in academic achievement between African Americans and whites. (Not just those measured in kindergarten)? > [@](#): > > And I do have a PhD. In what subject is your PhD; what university awarded it; and why should I care? ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3222 "2012-06-30T20:34:52Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > To the extent that the researchers’ conclusion contradicts mine on this issue, my conclusion is more valid regardless of their credentials. Your conclusion is more valid? Who do you think you are? Your conclusion is NOT valid, are you a recognised genetic scientist? Did you published any scientifically approved papers on that matter? It doesn’t matter if someone like Stephen Hawking comes to a conclusion to you; it’s not valid if it does not fit your argument? You are the biggest idiot ever. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=160) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=162)