# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/321 "2012-06-01T13:37:35Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > I strongly disagree with your views on race, but at the very least I believed you came by them honestly and may not deserve some of the hostility you face here. But you ignore the substantive portion of my post and state, categorically, “those theories are obviously wrong”? Just like that? Your views _just are_ so obvious that no one who disagrees could do so honestly? I tried to treat you properly and without insult — but if you really don’t wish to take your arguments to a level of sophistication beyond “Rusthon says so” and “no, you!”, then AFAIC the sharks can have you. I have never used Professor Rushton as an authority. I have substantiated his claims about black inferior intelligence and crime with cites about SAT scores and statistics drawn by the FBI. Because I cannot substantiate Professor Rushton’s claims about large black penises, I do not. I also do not think black penis size matters. What does matter are shamefully high rates of black illegitimacy. Why is it immoral to expect blacks to behave and perform as well as whites? Why is it immoral to point out that they do not anywhere in the world, and never have at any time in history? Why is it immoral to suggest that these intractable racial differences indicate genetic differences? ---
**Author:** ![gastropod1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d2c977/32.png) [@gastropod1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gastropod1)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/322 "2012-06-01T13:42:19Z")
-just outta curiosity (and forgive my nosiness), how old are you? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/323 "2012-06-01T13:44:28Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > New Deal Democrat isn’t talking about the superiority of individuals, or discussing individuals at all. What he’s doing is: > > 1. Defining an arbitrary group called “blacks” that apparently consists of people with dark skin who look sorta Negro (and let’s toss in those freaky albino blacks too while we’re at it), > > 2. Drawing a box around them with a fat crayon, > > 3. Using his University of Google training to cherry-pick cites that “prove” that this or that subgroup inside the Giant Box is of inferior intelligence, commits more crimes, or is otherwise unsavory, > > 4. Declaring this to be conclusive proof that everyone in the Giant Box is genetically inferior to everyone outside it. I have never claimed that every black person is less intelligent than every white person. Indeed, I pointed out that the success of black professionals demonstrates that blacks with merit can succeed in American society. Your distortion of what I do believe is an example of the straw man fallacy. * * * Description of Straw Man The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person’s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of “reasoning” has the following pattern: Person A has position X. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X). Person B attacks position Y. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed. This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person. [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html) ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/324 "2012-06-01T13:46:07Z")
> [@gastropod1](#): > > -just outta curiosity (and forgive my nosiness), how old are you? Old enough to know what I am talking about. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/325 "2012-06-01T13:48:58Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I wasn’t aware that the three had been subjected to the same battery of intelligence tests, or that you were privy to the test results. That must have been difficult to arrange. Lol, are you seriously disputing that Richard Nixon was more intelligent than Mohamed Ali? > [@](#): > > If we were discussing boxing, of course, then one could infer that Ali would probably excel. We are discussing general unqualified superiority, which you equated with superiority in intelligence. Are you abandoning your position now? > [@](#): > > At any rate, your Person A \> Person B focus is a red herring No, the red herring is your equation of superiority in intelligence with general superiority. > [@](#): > > What he’s doing is: I doubt he’s doing that, but it’s not for me to say. > [@](#): > > It was an expression. Please try to respond to the actual position I take – not to what you wish or imagine that I stated. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/326 "2012-06-01T13:53:41Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Before the Second World War it was widely recognized that racial differences existed and that they were important. A few things have changed since then… Before WW2 no human set foot on the moon either. Cars where not as common as they are today. Airlines where not offering mass tourism around the world. HIV was not known to people. The Pill as a contraception was not known. Vaccines against polio, measles and rubella were developed in the 1950’s and 1960’s. Also, we found out that the Earth is not flat and the Sun is not traveling around the Earth. However, Racism was then and still is typically seen in idiots and uneducated people , since they are not able to learn. ---
**Author:** ![gastropod1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d2c977/32.png) [@gastropod1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gastropod1)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/327 "2012-06-01T13:54:34Z")
The greatest guilt of today is that of people who accept collectivism by moral default; the people who seek protection from the necessity of taking a stand, by refusing to admit to themselves the nature of that which they are accepting; the people who support plans specifically designed to achieve serfdom, but hide behind the empty assertion that they are lovers of freedom, with no concrete meaning attached to the word; the people who believe that the content of ideas need not be examined, that principles need not be defined, and that facts can be eliminated by keeping one’s eyes shut. They expect, when they find themselves in a world of bloody ruins and concentration camps, to escape moral responsibility by wailing: “But I didn’t mean this!!!” -I’m sure you didn’t mean to sound like a racist, but you have to question why your opinions are getting such a massive backlog of abuse and criticsm…do you think perhaps, you’re be a tad unreasonable? -i do hope you don’t get too offended by all the abuse. I presume youre used to it by now. -Seriously though - how old are you? > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have never claimed that every black person is less intelligent than every white person. Indeed, I pointed out that the success of black professionals demonstrates that blacks with merit can succeed in American society. > > Your distortion of what I do believe is an example of the straw man fallacy. > > * * * > > Description of Straw Man > > The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person’s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of “reasoning” has the following pattern: > > Person A has position X. > Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X). > Person B attacks position Y. > Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed. > This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person. > [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html) ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/328 "2012-06-01T13:56:06Z")
How nice it must be, as a scientist, to be able to just accept circumstantial evidence and nothing more as enough to support your theory. Let me try. White people, in the last 1000 years were responsible for the beginning of more wars and casualties than blacks. Therefore white people are greedy, warmongering bloodthirsty savages, by mere genetics obviously, I mean, we’re talking a fucking millenium here; probably more, so no need to factor in anything else. Therefore, whites should not be allowed to vie for any rank in the United States government, whatsoever, if we can only admit to ourselves this horrible truth. And… Done! Now I can go back to picking out all the brown M&Ms, because they just make the other colors look stupider. Amiright? Nobel Prize please. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/329 "2012-06-01T13:57:48Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > I strongly disagree with your views on race, but at the very least I believed you came by them honestly and may not deserve some of the hostility you face here. But you ignore the substantive portion of my post and state, categorically, “those theories are obviously wrong”? Just like that? Your views _just are_ so obvious that no one who disagrees could do so honestly? I tried to treat you properly and without insult — but if you really don’t wish to take your arguments to a level of sophistication beyond “Rusthon says so” and “no, you!”, then AFAIC the sharks can have you. Where is there evidence that black stupidity, crime, and sexual irresponsibility are not genetic? The fact that these characteristics are true of blacks everywhere in the world, and always have been provides strong evidence that they are caused biologically. Also, they make sense when we consider previous population pressures. Qualities that had survival value in the African jungle earn one felony convictions in a civilized country. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/330 "2012-06-01T13:59:17Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > They do not have to be. What they demonstrate is a clear pattern of racial differences regarding crime and intelligence. Because this pattern is so universal it is rather clearly genetic. I doubt that most of those who claim otherwise really believe what they say. In Russia there are virtually no blacks, yet they still do have crimes - even a Mafia … how does this happen? Since only Black’s commit crimes? Something is clearly wrong with your theory. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/331 "2012-06-01T14:00:37Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > How nice it must be, as a scientist, to be able to just accept circumstantial evidence and nothing more as enough to support your theory. > > Let me try. > > White people, in the last 1000 years were responsible for the beginning of more wars and casualties than blacks. Therefore white people are greedy, warmongering bloodthirsty savages, by mere genetics obviously, I mean, we’re talking a fucking millenium here; probably more, so no need to factor in anything else. Therefore, whites should not be allowed to vie for any rank in the United States government, whatsoever, if we can only admit to ourselves this horrible truth. > > And… Done! Now I can go back to picking out all the brown M&Ms, because they just make the other colors look stupider. Amiright? > > Nobel Prize please. Whites are more skilled in war, but I do not believe that war has been more prevalent in Europe than in Africa. Currently war is endemic in parts of sub Saharan Africa. It is often combined with mass rape and even cannibalism. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/332 "2012-06-01T14:02:56Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > A few things have changed since then… > > Before WW2 no human set foot on the moon either. > Cars where not as common as they are today. > Airlines where not offering mass tourism around the world. > HIV was not known to people. > The Pill as a contraception was not known. > Vaccines against polio, measles and rubella were developed in the 1950’s and 1960’s. > > Also, we found out that the Earth is not flat and the Sun is not traveling around the Earth. You forgot the rather obvious one: the discovery of DNA in 1953 and all the subsequent work on genetics that followed from that. Which is kind of relevant to the discussion at hand. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/333 "2012-06-01T14:04:41Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Whites are more skilled in war, but I do not believe that war has been more prevalent in Europe than in Africa. And the stupid keeps coming, and coming, and coming… ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/334 "2012-06-01T14:08:01Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > In Russia there are virtually no blacks, yet they still do have crimes - even a Mafia … how does this happen? Since only Black’s commit crimes? > Something is clearly wrong with your theory. First of all, and most obviously, I have never said that only blacks commit crimes. I have said that those who claim that I did say that commit the straw man fallacy. [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html) Currently the Russian murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants is 12. That is unusually high for a white nation, but lower than for most countries in Latin America and sub Saharan Africa. For example, in Honduras the murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants is 86. In Jamaica it is 39. In South Africa it is 32. > **[List of countries by intentional homicide rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)** > > The list of countries by homicide rate is derived from United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) data, and is expressed in number of deaths per 100,000 population per year. For example, a homicide rate of 30 out of 100,000 is presented in the table as "30", and corresponds to 0.03% of the population dying by homicide. The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary. Only UNODC-vetted data is used in the main table to maintain consistency. In some cases, i Homicide rates ... ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/335 "2012-06-01T14:09:12Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > You forgot the rather obvious one: the discovery of DNA in 1953 and all the subsequent work on genetics that followed from that. Which is kind of relevant to the discussion at hand. Sorry about that. … [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501728.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501728.html) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/336 "2012-06-01T14:10:16Z")
**NDD** , we’ll keep responding with jokes and insults as long as you continue to be a joke and an insult to the human race. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/337 "2012-06-01T14:17:46Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Where is there evidence that black stupidity, crime, and sexual irresponsibility are not genetic? The fact that these characteristics are true of blacks everywhere in the world, and always have been provides strong evidence that they are caused biologically. That’s not “blacks” you’re talking about; that’s “people”. Stupidity, crime and sexual irresponsibility are common to all cultures everywhere throughout history. You should look up “[confirmation bias](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)” sometime. And “[truthiness](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness)”. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Whites are more skilled in war, but I do not believe that war has been more prevalent in Europe than in Africa. Well, if you do not believe it, clearly that settles it. Never mind, you know, [actual history](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe). I’m sure those few minor skirmishes don’t count somehow. > [@](#): > > Currently war is endemic in parts of sub Saharan Africa. It is often combined with mass rape and even cannibalism. By your theory, then, Oriental types should never have wars involving [rape](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes#Comfort_women) and [cannibalism](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes#Cannibalism). Or have they all evolved better genes in the past sixty years? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/338 "2012-06-01T14:21:22Z")
NDD- you have not addressed the fact that Africa contains more genetic diversity then the rest of the world combined, yet you lump in all black Africans together, despite the fact that many populations of black Africans are more closely genetically related to European or Asian populations then to certain other black African populations. Is it not completely ridiculous, then, to talk of a “Negro” or “black” race? ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/339 "2012-06-01T14:24:04Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > For example, in Honduras the murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants is 86. In Jamaica it is 39. In South Africa it is 32. > > [List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) And what does Honduras or El Salvador (the leaders of your homicide list) to do with Black people? They are of Spanish/Portuguese decent… meaning West and Central Europe, which has the lowest rate of 1.2. That may be just me, but I think, that the homicide rate has more to do with poverty and corruption than with race. ---
**Author:** ![gastropod1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d2c977/32.png) [@gastropod1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gastropod1)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/340 "2012-06-01T14:33:29Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > And the stupid keeps coming, and coming, and coming… I have sh\*t to do today, but this is real car crash telly! my toes are curling!! i’m not down with the nomenclature, but is this what you call a ‘troll’? -I don’t believe anybody can actually think like this! -not unless there’s something wrong. -Perhaps something inherited through bad parenting. …perhaps inbreeding? perhaps his parents are descendents from the land of bongobongo, that oh so stupid of lands. -it’s all to do with genetics , you know :o here’s a secondary school level history syllabus : [http://www.teachinghearts.com/dre04histempires.html](http://www.teachinghearts.com/dre04histempires.html). -it will help whaziizface get up to step with his history. here’s some Shakespeare: She, in spite of nature, Of years, of country, credit, every thing, To fall in love with what she fear’d to look on! It is a judgment maim’d and most imperfect That will confess perfection so could err Against all rules of nature, sort it out, goon boy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=18)