# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 170
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3383 "2012-07-02T13:54:23Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The arrogance and vulgarity with which scoundrels try to shout us down reveals the accuracy of our posts. Not trying to shout you down, it’s just that in my eyes, you’re a pigfucker. Sorry. Oh, and I am a scoundrel, no argument. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3384 "2012-07-02T13:54:45Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The arrogance and vulgarity with which scoundrels try to shout us down Scoundrel? Scoundrel? I like the sound of that. ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3385 "2012-07-02T13:55:00Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Readers may be interested in this essay on New Deal Democrat’s tiny penis, and how that sad condition has driven his unstoppable obsession to simultaneously undermine and fantasize about black people. I mouse-overed. :o ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3386 "2012-07-02T13:55:04Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The civility, erudition, and literacy with which I and a few others here discuss facts about blacks… I’ve seen you display none of these attributes. There is nothing civil about saying other people on the SDMB should be enslaved, nor is there literacy demonstrated in consistently relying on a small number of discredited sources to support your position while being obviously incapable of understanding sources based on actual science. Attributing “erudition” to yourself is pretty rich, to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3387 "2012-07-02T13:57:25Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have demonstrated in my posts that there is a strong correlation between the racial composition of a country and the murder rate. I have also pointed out that the correlation is not one to one. I agree with this. I’m pretty confident that one can cherry pick a few countries or political subdivisions to generate a negative correlation between blacks and crime. Just like you can find a few smokers who live long, healthy lives. But overall, it seems pretty clear that black = greater incidence of crime and smoking = greater chance lung cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3388 "2012-07-02T13:57:26Z")
I forgot to mention: > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Translated from Latin to English, “_Ad Hominem_” means “against the man” or “against the person.” > > An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). > > […] > > Description of Personal Attack > > A personal attack is committed when a person substitutes abusive remarks for evidence when attacking another person’s claim or claims. This line of “reasoning” is fallacious because the attack is directed at the person making the claim and not the claim itself. The truth value of a claim is independent of the person making the claim. You mean like this? > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The arrogance and vulgarity with which scoundrels try to shout us down reveals the accuracy of our posts. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3389 "2012-07-02T14:00:14Z")
> [@partyforever](#): > > Oh but that was the plan all along during apartheid - murder all the whites - communism. Doubt they found many Belaya Gvardiya in South Africa though… > [@partyforever](#): > > No wonder you couldn’t advance! Not because of the white man, but because of you know who. Wait, Voldemort is behind the racial achievement gap? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3390 "2012-07-02T14:00:15Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Once again, I note that you somehow consider vulgarity a worse sin than advocacy of eugenics and forced labor. Your priorities are duly noted.I note you conveniently forget to mention that your arguments were thoroughly dissected and demonstrated to be without substance or empirical support, and that once you proved immune to rational discourse open mockery proved to be more fruitful, insofar as you at least acknowledge that you actually read it.I do love how you continue to restuff this particular strawman. The failure of your arguments has nothing to do with “civil rights legislation and the end of apartheid demonstrating the innate equality of the races”. It has everything to do with the fact that your cites do not support your argument, despite your repeated claims of relevance. > > And we’re not claiming that your arguments fail because you’re a racist (the aforementioned _ad hominem_). We’re claiming that you’re a racist because of your arguments. I am only in favor of forced labor for criminals. Severe punishment is the only way to reduce the crime rate. My support for eugenics is restricted to opposing Aid to Families with Dependent Children. That is a respectable stand that is shared by Charles Murray. I continue to be told that my cites do not support my arguments. What I have documented is that the races differ significantly and durably in average ability levels, and behavior. Even if this is not due to genetic differences, as I believe it it, it is a significant fact that has legitimate policy implications. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3391 "2012-07-02T14:04:28Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I continue to be told that my cites do not support my arguments. What I have documented is that the races differ significantly and durably in average ability levels, and behavior. **Even if this is not due to genetic differences, as I believe it it,** it is a significant fact that has legitimate policy implications. Ah! We make progress. Since your cites were made in support of an argument about genetic differences, it’s good to see an acknowledgement of their weaknesses in this respect. The policy implications of the achievement gaps irrespective of cause are a different argument altogether. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3392 "2012-07-02T14:08:57Z")
“I have demonstrated in my posts that there is a strong correlation between the racial composition of a country and the murder rate. I have also pointed out that the correlation is not one to one.” You have also amply demonstrated no understanding of the nuances between correlation and causation…:rolleyes: You shouldn’t use words you don’t understand, you’ll hurt yourself. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3393 "2012-07-02T14:09:09Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > By the way, did you know that the heritability of IQ increases with age? So, people inherit more of their parents IQ as they grow older? Edit: I’d assume people are making use of the data which show significant reductions in crime in black areas in order to satisfy the requirements of your null hypothesis, which was something along the lines of “show me one successful area where the majority of people are black”. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3394 "2012-07-02T14:10:57Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I’ve seen you display none of these attributes. There is nothing civil about saying other people on the SDMB should be enslaved, nor is there literacy demonstrated in consistently relying on a small number of **discredited sources** to support your position while being obviously incapable of understanding sources based on actual science. Attributing “erudition” to yourself is pretty rich, to say the least. When have I advocated that anyone on this forum be enslaved? The sources I am most dependent on when asserting racial differences are the U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics. (2011). Digest of Education Statistics, 2010 (NCES 2011-015), Chapter 2. > **[Fast Facts: SAT scores (171)](https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171)** > > The NCES Fast Facts Tool provides quick answers to many education questions (National Center for Education Statistics). Get answers on Early Childhood Education, Elementary and Secondary Education and Higher Education here. the Bureau of Justice Statistics of the United States Department of Justice [http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm) an OECD/PISA Study > **[Who's No. 1? Finland, Japan and Korea, Says OECD Education Study - Site...](https://siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm)** > > Who's No. 1? Finland, Japan and Korea, Says OECD Education Study and various sources listed here: > **[List of countries by intentional homicide rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)** > > The list of countries by homicide rate is derived from United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) data, and is expressed in number of deaths per 100,000 population per year. For example, a homicide rate of 30 out of 100,000 is presented in the table as "30", and corresponds to 0.03% of the population dying by homicide. The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary. Only UNODC-vetted data is used in the main table to maintain consistency. In some cases, i Homicide rates ... How have these sources been discredited? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3395 "2012-07-02T14:12:08Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Wait, Voldemort is behind the racial achievement gap? It explains a _lot_. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3396 "2012-07-02T14:13:39Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Ah! We make progress. > > Since your cites were made in support of an argument about genetic differences, it’s good to see an acknowledgement of their weaknesses in this respect. The policy implications of the achievement gaps irrespective of cause are a different argument altogether. If most Negroes are not genetically inferior, a very large percentage are morally inferior. It is immoral for them to commit all those crimes. It is immoral for them to have all those illegitimate children. It is immoral for black teenage thugs to disrupt classrooms and make it difficult for teachers to do their jobs. It is also immoral for so many black teenagers to be getting into trouble after school when they should be doing their homework. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3397 "2012-07-02T14:16:10Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have demonstrated in my posts that there is a strong correlation between the racial composition of a country and the murder rate. No you haven’t, you obstinate asshole. All you’ve ever done is link to the same damn Wiki homicide rate link. I called you on your horse shit and _proved_ that you were wrong. (Note that this differs substantially from from the unsupported assertions you continually engage in.) > [@](#): > > I have also pointed out that the correlation is not one to one. No you haven’t, you shitfaced liar. The top half of my most recent post clearly lays out the actuality of the exchange. No where in that catalogue of idiocy did you stipulate any exceptions or modifications to the rule **you** asserted _(“Countries with large black and/or American Indian populations tend to have higher crime rates than countries where nearly everyone is white or Oriental”; “Honduras gets its high murder rate from a number of factors including the American Indian ancestry of the mestizos.”)_ You are now engaging in [_post hoc_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-hoc_analysis) rationalization. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3398 "2012-07-02T14:16:53Z")
If only the OP had sufficient intelligence to understand the standards and rules of this particular forum… ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3399 "2012-07-02T14:17:31Z")
NDD has been called racist and received scorn deservedly because of actual behaviour. The ignoring of the scientific citations, the continued assertions that ignore the actual science that falsified his assertions of race genetic coherencies of long separation of populations, etc. It is in fact almost always NDD who raises politics, and has shown that his only real understand and concern is about american racial politics. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3400 "2012-07-02T14:17:50Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > “I have demonstrated in my posts that there is a strong correlation between the racial composition of a country and the murder rate. I have also pointed out that the correlation is not one to one.” > You have also amply demonstrated no understanding of the nuances between correlation and causation…:rolleyes: > You shouldn’t use words you don’t understand, you’ll hurt yourself. He doesn’t even understand the difference between a direct relationship and an inverse one. In other words, he actually disproved his own horseshit with his own cites. Beautiful. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3401 "2012-07-02T14:26:23Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > But overall, it seems pretty clear that black = greater incidence of crime Then it should be no problem for you to find a positive _k_ constant, then. Show your work. Come on - put up or shut up, dickless. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2012, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/3402 "2012-07-02T14:27:05Z")
NDD calling people out for ad hominems? In the Pit? That’s rich. An [example](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15210815&postcount=2673) of the last time I called out NDD on that particular hypocrisy. I suppose they’re not ad hominems but “facts and logical reasoning” when NDD does it. And I know other posters have called out both NDD and his soulmate B84 on this particular bit of hypocrisy, too. I know it’s hard to reflect on your own actions with your head so far up your ass, but it would be a good idea to step back for a few days and do so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=169) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=171)