# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/421 "2012-06-02T11:07:45Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > I am so, so happy I started this thread. I have enjoyed this thread too. By responding to my fact based and logical arguments with childish insults I provoked you to reveal your stupidity, your ignorance, and the ugliness of your personality and character. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/422 "2012-06-02T11:09:54Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > By that measure, I guess circumcision is genetic in Jews. Jews choose to circumcise their male children. Are you arguing that black parents choose to make most of their children stupid, and many of them criminal? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/423 "2012-06-02T11:11:54Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Lately, I feel like I’m gonna need to get on the transplant list if I’m gonna keep reading this board. > > Having admittedly not read this entire thread, I’ll just say that NDD’s brand of racism will always exist until being “white” isn’t the built-in safety net that it currently is, because there will always be people who are so worthless that being “white” is all they have going for them. My brand of racism will always exist until most blacks behave and perform as well as most whites. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/424 "2012-06-02T11:23:14Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Are you under the impression that the black genetic makeup has devolved since the civil rights movement? Isn’t it possible that the deterioration of the black commmunity is the result of something other than genetics, or did devolution occur in two generations? It seems to me that you are attributing social/environmentl/cultural problems to genetics. I am pointing to the deterioration of the black community since the civil rights legislation was signed as evidence that black social pathology can no longer be blamed on whites. A factor that has contributed to the increase in black social pathology is the decline in reasonably well paying jobs that can be mastered by those of average and below average intelligence. In his book Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960–2010 Charles Murray documents that the decline in these jobs has increased social pathology among white blue collar workers as well. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/425 "2012-06-02T11:24:18Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > How have my factual assertions violated "the most basic of logical or cognitive literacy? How have they not ? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/426 "2012-06-02T11:30:01Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > How have they not ? I have documented that blacks are characterized by stupidity and crime, both in the United States and internationally. I have concluded that this gives strong evidence that these characteristics are influenced genetically. This does not mean that all blacks are less intelligent than all whites, or that all blacks are criminals, and that no whites are. It does suggest genetic causation. If these differences were due to culture and environment we would expect them to be more flexible and variable. There would be significant populations of blacks who perform and behave and perform as well as whites. Those populations do not exist. They never have existed. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/427 "2012-06-02T11:31:35Z")
BTW, that was a rhetorical question. I know: I used a lot of polysyllabic words in a short amount of time. You must be dizzy. My previous post meant I was washing my hands with you. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/428 "2012-06-02T11:41:53Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > BTW, that was a rhetorical question. I know: I used a lot of polysyllabic words in a short amount of time. You must be dizzy. My previous post meant I was washing my hands with you. If you want to leave this discussion I will not miss you. You have had little to contribute. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/429 "2012-06-02T11:46:08Z")
And I’m sure you actually believe that. Thanks for being an environmental factor for teenage (LA LA LA LA LA CAN’T HEAR YOU) drinking. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/430 "2012-06-02T12:17:07Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If you want to leave this discussion I will not miss you. You have had little to contribute. Has anyone on the “anti-racist” side contributed anything besides (1) mindless invective; (2) aggressive attacks on strawmen arguments; or (3) paper-thin excuses for racial achievement gaps? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/431 "2012-06-02T12:19:35Z")
If those who claim to believe in innate racial equality really believed what they claim to believe they would not get go angry when the topic comes up. During and before the civil rights movement one could argue that racial discrimination was responsible for black social pathology and inferior academic performance. As every year passes since the civil rights legislation was signed it remains true that blacks in the United States have a rate of violent crime that is nearly _eight times_ the white rate, and that the race gap in academic aptitude and performance remains as wide as ever, despite expensive efforts like No Child Left Behind. Blacks and their white apologists cannot explain these facts in ways that are consistent with a belief in innate racial equality, so they use intimidation to try to prevent anyone from mentioning the facts. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/432 "2012-06-02T12:23:36Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Has anyone on the “anti-racist” side contributed anything besides (1) mindless invective; (2) aggressive attacks on strawmen arguments; or (3) paper-thin excuses for racial achievement gaps? If they did I missed it. Any fair minded debate judge would determine that you and I have won this hands down, brazil84. What is more, we have kept our decorum against a raving mob of bullies and cowards who seek safety in numbers. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/433 "2012-06-02T13:27:40Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If they did I missed it. Any fair minded debate judge would determine that you and I have won this hands down, brazil84. What is more, we have kept our decorum against a raving mob of bullies and cowards who seek safety in numbers. You’ve missed it and ignored it. “Black” (that is, sub-Saharan African) genetics are far more diverse than all other genetics combined. Saying that “Black” is one race is ludicrous, when some black populations are more closely related genetically to Asian or European populations than to other far-flung black African populations. And individually, if you’re (yes, you NDD) a white American, you’re probably far more closely related, genetically speaking, to many African Americans than you are to certain Europeans (if you’re of Scottish background, for example, you’re probably far more closely related to a random African American than to a random person living in Romania). ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/434 "2012-06-02T13:51:20Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have enjoyed this thread too. By responding to my fact based and logical arguments with childish insults I provoked you to reveal your stupidity, your ignorance, and the ugliness of your personality and character. 😃 I already explained why your arguments are not logical. I promise you I am not going to lose any sleep over what a racist thinks of my character. I don’t believe people like you should be able to voice your thoughts without significant social backlash. I don’t want you or anyone else to think for a second that your ideas are the norm, or socially acceptable in any way. I’m doing a public good by calling you out for your bullshit. Let me tell you, I know racists. I have racists in my family, I grew up in a town with racists, I understand what garden variety racism looks like. You are something else entirely. Not even the most virulent racist I know would seriously suggest that blacks be excluded from social programs, or that the Civil Rights Movement was somehow a bad thing. They wouldn’t want a black person in their house or dating their grandchild, but they wouldn’t be so filled with hate that they would actively want to oppress a group of people based on race. Another thing I want to know. What rights do you think white people should have that black people shouldn’t have? What rights do you think Asians and Jews should have that white people shouldn’t have? If you claim that blacks as a whole are inferior, well, so what? How do you really want society to respond to that? Do you support slavery? Indentured servitude? Different wages? In your ideal world, how would all of this play out? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/435 "2012-06-02T13:59:11Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > How do you really want society to respond to that? Do you support slavery? Indentured servitude? Different wages? In your ideal world, how would all of this play out? Can’t speak for NDD but many people who throw out this argument seem to think that society is biased _toward_ minorities, or there is a substantial portion of the population who wants it to be that way. Thus, if they could somehow prove that no matter how much minorities are favored, they will still not achieve, then we could “stop” this failed costly social experimentation which is holding down whites because it won’t work. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/436 "2012-06-02T14:01:14Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > How do you really want society to respond to that? Do you support slavery? Indentured servitude? Different wages? In your ideal world, how would all of this play out? He pretty much tips his hand here: > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The dogma that the races were equal grew out of a revulsion against the racial policies of the Nazis. As more time passes that revulsion will fade. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/437 "2012-06-02T14:57:43Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > I already explained why your arguments are not logical. Here is a website of logical fallacies. > **[Fallacies - Nizkor](https://www.nizkor.org/fallacies/)** > > Matteo Dell’Amico provides this feature in Italian Index Ad Hominem \[page not ready\] Ad Hominem Tu Quoque \[page not ready\] Appeal to Authority \[page not ready\] Appeal to Belief \[page not ready\] Appeal to Common Practice \[page not ready\] Appeal... Explain how my arguments are illogical. What fallacies have I committed? Those who have flamed me in this thread have committed several fallacies, most notably Ad Hominem [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html) and Straw Man. [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html) ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/438 "2012-06-02T14:57:54Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Has anyone on the “anti-racist” side contributed anything besides (1) mindless invective; (2) aggressive attacks on strawmen arguments; or (3) paper-thin excuses for racial achievement gaps? Plenty. But you wouldn’t have noticed them, eh? Banny McBanson. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/439 "2012-06-02T14:59:07Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Can’t speak for NDD but many people who throw out this argument seem to think that society is biased _toward_ minorities, or there is a substantial portion of the population who wants it to be that way. Thus, if they could somehow prove that no matter how much minorities are favored, they will still not achieve, then we could “stop” this failed costly social experimentation which is holding down whites because it won’t work. Ding. And when one considers the personal financial impact alone, the amount of effort folks like **NDD** and **84** (no more shall I permit him to besmirch the good name of Brazil) devote toward their “research” and polemics only makes good sense. The amount of money each of them spends toward minority programs—which might be retained or directed to more worthy use if spending were reduced—could easily number in the tens of dollars over a lifetime. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/440 "2012-06-02T15:04:32Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Another thing I want to know. What rights do you think white people should have that black people shouldn’t have? What rights do you think Asians and Jews should have that white people shouldn’t have? If you claim that blacks as a whole are inferior, well, so what? How do you really want society to respond to that? Do you support slavery? Indentured servitude? Different wages? In your ideal world, how would all of this play out? I have never said that whites should have rights blacks do not have. Nor have I ever said that Orientals and Jews should have rights white Gentiles do not have. I would like a color blind system of justice and economic reward in which individuals are evaluated on the basis of their personal character and abilities. Consequently, I am opposed to affirmative action. I do not know how do deal with bosses who refuse to hire blacks. Employment decisions are personal. Bosses hire people they think they will enjoy working with, and people they think their other subordinates will enjoy working with. There are some bosses who dislike Orientals. There are some who dislike Jews. There are some who dislike homosexuals. Nevertheless, these groups do well in our economy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=23)