# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/441 "2012-06-02T15:11:46Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Here is a website of logical fallacies. > > [Fallacies - Nizkor](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/) > > Explain how my arguments are illogical. What fallacies have Burden of proof, ignoring a common cause, and most fundamentally, circular reasoning. You’re arguing that blacks are inferior to whites due to genetics and your proof is that blacks are inferior to whites. I don’t understand why you don’t see this. Completely aside from the race issue, your reasoning is fundamentally flawed. And I still haven’t seen you explain why you reject the vast body of evidence refuting your claim. Furthermore, you haven’t explained why us anti-racists would delude ourselves about racial inequality. It seems to me that your belief system is the path of least resistance. I can’t see any practical reason for supporting racial equality- it’s rather inconvenient, don’t you think? I don’t know why anyone would commit to that ideal unless they believed it were true. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/442 "2012-06-02T15:14:02Z")
I used to have a friend who owned a restaurant. On occasion he would rent his restaurant to a group for a party. He told me that he nearly always had problems with black groups he did not have with groups of other races. The blacks were rude to his staff. They pilfered eating utensils. They tipped little if at all. Sometimes they got into fights and he had to call the police. I have talked to people who have taught in black public schools. Most tell me that most of the students are several years behind whites and Orientals, and that many of them are dangerous. I have _never_ talked to a person who taught blacks who told me that their students were courteous and achieved well. Experiences like this reinforce racial prejudices and stereotypes generation after generation. Although it has become dangerous to discuss black shortcomings, as long as these shortcomings persist so will racial prejudice. It is natural for one to allow previous experience to influence current perceptions. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/443 "2012-06-02T15:14:49Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If they did I missed it. Any fair minded debate judge would determine that you and I have won this hands down, brazil84. What is more, we have kept our decorum against a raving mob of bullies and cowards who seek safety in numbers. Of course you did miss it, I even posted a link to it, what everyone can see is that you do suffer from an acute failure to remember how you previously ignored or avoided replying to questions, like the one posted many times before asking you to point to any active researcher that agrees with your societal solutions based on your misrepresentations of their research. As everyone can see, you continue to forget that what you are trying to win here is just to tell yourself that the wall of opposition to your ideas is not even there among conservative leaders. The conclusion is that indeed you are already a loser even before coming here to the pit, (and ignoring what the pit is precisely where decorum is not required is an even better evidence of how clueless you can get.) So you want to claim victory over even conservative posters in the pit? That is just evidence that in the science or social worlds you are not making any headway, as there are no easy pickings out there, it is clear that you even have time to waste in the pit. And over here you just repeat the same old defenses that were already dismissed by even active researchers in biology in GD, until I see researchers supporting your societal ideas based on their research (that it is medical in nature as many of your examples show) I would worry. Over here I only see that you want to forget how you avoid the reality check, so just keep showing all that your memory genes are faulty or what it is just a moral failure of yours. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/444 "2012-06-02T15:17:24Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have never said that whites should have rights blacks do not have. Nor have I ever said that Orientals and Jews should have rights white Gentiles do not have. I would like a color blind system of justice and economic reward in which individuals are evaluated on the basis of their personal character and abilities. > > Consequently, I am opposed to affirmative action. I do not know how do deal with bosses who refuse to hire blacks. Employment decisions are personal. Bosses hire people they think they will enjoy working with, and people they think their other subordinates will enjoy working with. > > There are some bosses who dislike Orientals. There are some who dislike Jews. There are some who dislike homosexuals. Nevertheless, these groups do well in our economy. Oh, we’ll that’s a relief. I’m not sure why you think a color blind system is possible when by your own admission, you think race is important. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/445 "2012-06-02T15:19:44Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have talked to people who have taught in black public schools. Most tell me that most of the students are several years behind whites and Orientals, and that many of them are dangerous. I have _never_ talked to a person who taught blacks who told me that their students were courteous and achieved well. > > Experiences like this reinforce racial prejudices and stereotypes generation after generation. And I have been involved in education for more than 25 years and I can tell you that based on direct interaction with students that poverty and lack of both parents supporting a student is a better guide of who will not be courteous and not good achiever. And it does not matter if the student is black, white or coming from Asia. Of course I pointed at this also in the GD thread and before, but once again your memory genes are betraying you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/446 "2012-06-02T15:33:03Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Plenty. But you wouldn’t have noticed them, eh? Banny McBanson. I kinda doubt it. For the most part, the people I ban are either liars or people who refuse to explain their position. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/447 "2012-06-02T15:38:52Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Burden of proof, ignoring a common cause, and most fundamentally, circular reasoning. You’re arguing that blacks are inferior to whites due to genetics and your proof is that blacks are inferior to whites. I don’t understand why you don’t see this. Completely aside from the race issue, your reasoning is fundamentally flawed. And I still haven’t seen you explain why you reject the vast body of evidence refuting your claim. I have posted plenty of proof that blacks are characterized by crime and stupidity, both in the United States and internationally. The common cause seems to be genes rather than environment. Environment can change in a generation or two. Nowhere are there black populations of sufficient size that perform and behave as well as whites. For a theory to be considered scientific there needs to be a null hypothesis. There needs to be a set of circumstances that would disprove the theory. Now the null hypothesis to my theory that racial differences in ability levels and behavior are largely determined genetically would be a sizable population of blacks somewhere in the world that perform and behave as well as whites do on the average. The null hypothesis to the theory that there are no innate differences between the races would be the discovery of genes that reliably predict intelligence and crime, and the discovery that these genes are distributed disproportionally between the races. I acknowledge that these genes have not been discovered yet, but I am confident they will be. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/448 "2012-06-02T15:41:38Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I kinda doubt it. For the most part, the people I ban are either liars or people who refuse to explain their position. Not even the management here agree with that. > **[A Question For Ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=517162)** > > A few questions for Ed: As I understand the rules, if I have a personal quarrel with a poster in Great Debates, I am allowed to say so in a Pit thread. Also as I understand the rules, I am allowed to post a link in the Great Debates thread to the... Everyone should check the post \*\*tomndebb \*\* made to brazil84, that is not what a “calm debater” is, in reality brazil84 goes to a lot of effort to keep himself in his cocoon and ignore inconvenient evidence. (He is a “clam debater”, I grant that 🙂 ) BTW \*\*NDD \*\*brazil84 is indeed a denier of most of the science regarding global warming, do you agree with him? It is important to know because I still want to check if you are capable of understanding how science works. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/449 "2012-06-02T15:42:32Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And I have been involved in education for more than 25 years and I can tell you that based on direct interaction with students that poverty and lack of both parents supporting a student is a better guide of who will not be courteous and not good achiever. > > And it does not matter if the student is black, white or coming from Asia. > > Of course I pointed at this also in the GD thread and before, but once again your memory genes are betraying you. 🙂 If you are telling the truth about your background you know that poor Asian immigrants behave better in school and achieve more on the average than blacks. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/450 "2012-06-02T15:43:25Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > . . . BTW I don’t engage with this poster because of his refusal to answer a simple, reasonable question about his position. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/451 "2012-06-02T15:45:31Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > BTW I don’t engage with this poster because of his refusal to answer a simple, reasonable question about his position. You don’t engage him because you’re a liar who distorts facts and believes in pseudo-science. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/452 "2012-06-02T15:47:00Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The null hypothesis to the theory that there are no innate differences between the races would be the discovery of genes that reliably predict intelligence and crime, and the discovery that these genes are distributed disproportionally between the races. I acknowledge that these genes have not been discovered yet, but I am confident they will be. And until then one should not propose to base societal solutions based on unfounded ideas. It is even worse when not even the scientists involved in medical research agree with the idea that “blacks are characterized by crime and stupidity” and then thanks to lack of evidence in the genetic field we should already apply your recommendations. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/453 "2012-06-02T15:48:38Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If you are telling the truth about your background you know that poor Asian immigrants behave better in school and achieve more on the average than blacks. Nope, Asian immigrants also have trouble, once again, I do work in a school in a poor neighborhood in Arizona. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/454 "2012-06-02T15:48:44Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > BTW \*\*NDD \*\*brazil84 is indeed a denier of most of the science regarding global warming, do you agree with him? It is important to know because I still want to check if you are capable of understanding how science works. I believe in global warming for three reasons: during my life I have noticed milder winters and hotter summers; the consensus of climatologists agrees with global warming; global warming is plausible. When dinosaurs lived temperatures on the earth were quite a bit warmer than today. Sea levels were higher. Tropical plants lived closer to the north and south pole. Over a period of millions of years photosynthesis removed carbon form the atmosphere and deposited it as coal, petroleum, and natural gas. By consuming these we are restoring the atmosphere, and consequently the climate of previous ages. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/455 "2012-06-02T15:53:21Z")
That is good, but I detect an omission. Do you agree with the consensus that greenhouse gases emitted by man are driving the current global warming? And, the most pertinent one: do you realize that scientists also are telling us that the big problem is not the restoration of past climate but the fact that humans will be affected negatively by the rate of change to get back to those past temperatures? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/456 "2012-06-02T15:54:57Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nope, Asian immigrants also have trouble, once again, I do work in a school in a poor neighborhood in Arizona. Can you honestly tell me that poor Vietnamese students behave and perform as poorly as blacks? Because I hesitate to question your honesty, I will post what I have already posted about how Chinese, whites, and blacks respond to poverty. * * * San Francisco’s Chinatown in the 1960s became one of the most impoverished areas in California. Public policy professors James Q. Wilson and Richard Hernstein wrote: “One neighborhood in San Francisco had the lowest income, the highest unemployment rate, the highest proportion of families with incomes under $4,000 per year, the least educational attainment, the highest tuberculosis rate and the highest proportion of substandard housing. … That neighborhood was called Chinatown. Yet, in 1965, there were only five persons of Chinese ancestry committed to prison in the entire state of California.” Two low-income areas outside of Boston – South Boston and Roxbury – were featured several years ago in U.S. News & World Report. They had similar socio-economic profiles: high levels of unemployment; the same percentage of children born to single-parent households; and the same percentage of people living in public housing. But the violent crime rate in Roxbury, predominately black, was four times higher than that of South Boston, predominately white. > **[Where are the Japanese looters? \* WorldNetDaily \* by Larry Elder](https://www.wnd.com/2011/03/275917/)** > > ... Read more * * * This is excerpted from a column written by Larry Elder, who is black. Occasionally even blacks get disgusted with the lies of political correctness. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/457 "2012-06-02T15:57:18Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That is good, but I detect an omission. Do you agree with the consensus that greenhouse gases emitted by man are driving the current global warming? And, the most pertinent one: do you realize that scientists also are telling us that the big problem is not the restoration of past climate but the fact that humans will be affected negatively by the rate of change to get back to those past temperatures? Yes of course. In my post I included this: > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Over a period of millions of years photosynthesis removed carbon form the atmosphere and deposited it as coal, petroleum, and natural gas. By consuming these we are restoring the atmosphere, and consequently the climate of previous ages. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/458 "2012-06-02T15:57:49Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Can you honestly tell me that poor Vietnamese students behave and perform as poorly as blacks? > > Because I hesitate to question your honesty, I will post what I have already posted about how Chinese, whites, and blacks respond to poverty. So you’re basically admitting that you only consider anecdotal evidence to have validity when it already fits into your preconceived narrative. If someone tells you about an experience that doesn’t fit, they must be lying. Open your mind. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/459 "2012-06-02T15:58:07Z")
World Net Daily? They are besides being a discredited source, a place where also global warming denial resides. The point here is that you are indeed relying on people who already have dogma to overwhelm evidence, and this goes for brazil84, you are still ok by him being one of the few that are willing to support you? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/460 "2012-06-02T15:59:52Z")
And NDD, you’ve continued to conveniently ignored the vast genetic diversity of “blacks” (sub-Saharan Africans). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=24)