# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/501 "2012-06-02T19:35:28Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Genetically define “negro race” and “white race” first and maybe we can have a place to start. The Negro race is the race that evolved in Africa. The white race evolved in the Near East and in Europe. Each of these can be readily identified by skeletons and tissue samples for DNA testing. Each differs, not only in terms of average ability levels and behavior, but in terms of susceptibility to various diseases and medical problems. Blacks are more likely to have high blood pressure. Until the development of modern medicines few whites could live in the interior of Africa because of diseases like malaria and sleeping sickness. Blacks have evolved more resistance to these diseases than whites. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/502 "2012-06-02T19:35:59Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Because of the persistence of racial differences throughout the world, and throughout history, the burden of proof is in those who maintain that they are environmental. Bullshit. This is why nobody, according to you, wants to engage you in rational debate. You aren’t capable of it. I commence with the mocking. You are an utter fucking moron and a discredit to your race. Have fun in hell. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/503 "2012-06-02T19:36:03Z")
You know, I get the whole “we argue with this idiot not for his own sake, but for the sake of readers who aren’t immune to reason” thing. I do. I endorse it, even. But that’s done. Long done, and at some point continuing to engage him, especially when it devolves into everyone repeating themselves, only gives him the impression that he and his “ideas” are worth consideration. They aren’t. I mean seriously, who gives a shit about changing his mind? It’s not like he’s an otherwise great guy who we should be dying to get on the team. He’s a worthless piece of crap who’ll only ever improve the world by leaving it. Treat him accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/504 "2012-06-02T19:39:14Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > You might say that there is no proof. Well you would need to define what is meant by “proof.” Is there proof that smoking cigarettes causes lung cancer in humans? Arguably not, since you can come up with hundreds of possible explanations why smokers are observed to have higher rates of lung cancer – explanations which do not rely on smoking causing cancer. As far as I know, there has never been a controlled study which definitively demonstrated that smoking causes lung cancer in humans. In fact, such a study would be impossible to perform since (1) the people selected to be smokers would know that they are smoking; (2) it’s widely believed that smoking causes lung cancer; and (3) it’s remotely possible that believing you have a higher risk of lung cancer actually increases your chances of developing lung cancer. Still, I would maintain it’s been “proven” that smoking cigarettes causes lung cancer in humans in the following sense: The only reasonable explanation for the evidence which is seen is that smoking does indeed cause lung cancer in humans. Which may not be enough to satisfy tobacco industry executives, but it’s enough to satisfy any reasonable, rational person. Similarly, the only reasonable explanation for black underperformance (which is pretty much universal in space and time) and the failure of attempts to “close the gap” is that much of the cause is genetic. Note that there is no need to pinpoint the alleles or set of alleles which are responsible just as there is no need to pinpoint the exact mechanism by which tobacco smoke causes lung cancer. The circumstantial evidence is sufficient proof. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/505 "2012-06-02T19:45:56Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > I mean seriously, who gives a shit about changing his mind? It’s not like he’s an otherwise great guy who we should be dying to get on the team. He’s a worthless piece of crap who’ll only ever improve the world by leaving it. Treat him accordingly. I’ll keep slinging shit on him as long as he comes back for more. I didn’t bring my tar and feathers today, but internet ridicule is a fine substitute. You know, at bottom, what it’s all about - I’m so fucking sick and tired of trying to ‘‘understand’’ racism. I’m tired of having to respect everyone’s opinion no matter how vile it is. I’m tired of being so passive. I am beginning to realize some people just are not worthy of respect. I am sick to goddamn death of racists on the Straight Dope and I would support their banning in a heartbeat. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/506 "2012-06-02T19:48:03Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > You know, I get the whole “we argue with this idiot not for his own sake, but for the sake of readers who aren’t immune to reason” thing. I do. I endorse it, even. But that’s done. Long done, and at some point continuing to engage him, especially when it devolves into everyone repeating themselves, only gives him the impression that he and his “ideas” are worth consideration. They aren’t. > > I mean seriously, who gives a shit about changing his mind? It’s not like he’s an otherwise great guy who we should be dying to get on the team. He’s a worthless piece of crap who’ll only ever improve the world by leaving it. Treat him accordingly. QFT And as the only objective for me was to show how unsupported their “experts” are (they are actually cranks as the professor of biology mentioned) and how birds of a feather stick together, brazilnuts being his main defender here speaks volumes about the “dizzying” intellect shown by the “scientific racists”. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/507 "2012-06-02T19:55:24Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > I am sick to goddamn death of racists on the Straight Dope and I would support their banning in a heartbeat. Right there with you. I’ve actually been avoiding the place because they’re allowed to spew their shit and I’m not allowed to respond in the only way I feel is appropriate, which is “Fuck off and die, you worthless piece of shit. Also, don’t doubt for a minute that everyone you know who isn’t just as much a worthless piece of shit as you are feels the same way. People have nothing but contempt for you. Know that, as you go about your miserable little life.” ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/508 "2012-06-02T20:02:35Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > You might say that there is no proof. Nevertheless, the persistence of the discrepancy is impressive evidence. > > Again I ask: where is there any evidence that the Negro race is biologically equal to the white race? No, it’s interesting circumstantial data. What, genetically, is a “Negro Race” and a “White Race”? ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/509 "2012-06-02T20:02:42Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I concede your point. I have also stated that my racial theories will be disproved when blacks behave and perform as well as whites. On the other hand, they will be conclusively proven if genes for performance and behavior are discovered, and if they vary among the races. > > I cannot document this, but it is conceivable to me that more effort is being devoted to improving black performance than white performance. This would explain the narrowing of the NAEP gap, even as the SAT gap increases. > > I have an address to a website that is unfortunately no longer maintained that documented that in 2003 Washington, DC had the most expensive public school system in the country, the lowest test scores, and the highest black population. > > Here is the web address: > > [http://heartland.org/sites/default/files/20596.pdf](http://heartland.org/sites/default/files/20596.pdf) Oh this being the pit go sit and spin!!! I gave you evidence that Nigerian Americans reach higher educational attainment levels than any other ethnic group in the US. Your belief that IQ is all genetic is just based out of pure ignorance and a desire to embolden your racist views. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/510 "2012-06-02T20:07:49Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The Negro race is the race that evolved in Africa. The white race evolved in the Near East and in Europe. That’s not evolution, per se, but rather selective adaptation. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/511 "2012-06-02T20:09:42Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Oh this being the pit go sit and spin!!! > > I gave you evidence that Nigerian Americans reach higher educational attainment levels than any other ethnic group in the US. > > Your belief that IQ is all genetic is just based out of pure ignorance and a desire to embolden your racist views. Indeed, BTW The Heartland Institute is one of the main crank “stink tanks” for global warming deniers, if **NDD** is following the global warming issue then the fact that he does not know how anti-science that outfit is demonstrates how naive NDD is in reality. > **[How To Divide And Conquer The Free Market Climate Change Denial Movement](https://www.desmog.com/2012/06/01/how-divide-and-conquer-free-market-climate-change-denial-movement/)** > > Much has been made lately of the Heartland’s Institute’s implosion over it extreme position on climate change. In February there was the revelation of internal strategy documents that included a plan to promote climate change scepticism in schools.... > [@](#): > > Much has been made lately of the Heartland’s Institute’s implosion over it extreme position on climate change. In February there was the revelation of internal strategy documents that included a plan to promote climate change scepticism in schools. In early May they unveiled a billboard equating those who believe in global warming with the Unabomber. > > In the resulting uproar, nearly 50% of the Heartland Institute’s projected corporate donors for 2012 have pulled out. The funding drop has been so dire that at Heartland’s latest climate change skeptics conference in Chicago last month, Heartland president Joe Bast was reduced to asking the audience to find a ‘rich uncle’ to fund future conferences. > > But the most telling outcome may prove to be the defection of Heartland’s entire Finance, Insurance, and Real Estate division. As team leader Eli Lehrer told the Guardian > > “As somebody who deals mostly with insurance I believe all risks have to be taken seriously and there certainly are some important climate and global warming related risks that must be taken account of in the insurance market. Trivialising them is not consistent with free-market thought. Suggesting they are only thought about by people who are crazy is not good for the free market.” > > Now coming out and agreeing with every major national science academy in the world may not sound so revolutionary. But it is for a number of reasons. > > Firstly “free market” think tanks like Heartland and many of their conference co-sponsors have been a driving force behind the entire push to confuse the public over climate change science for more than 20 years. Driven by a fiercely ideological opposition to the regulation of corporate activity, most in the free market movement would rather subscribe to quack science than accept the need for the kind of government intervention mitigating climate change will require. Such a public acknowledgement of the seriousness of the climate crisis from within is therefore extremely rare. > > Secondly is the fact that the move was clearly driven by pressure from insurance industry donors (who were among those who pulled their funding from Heartland). Historically, denial of climate change has proven lucrative in attracting donors. Heartland and their conference co-sponsors have collectively received over $67 million from the fossil fuel industry over the years to spread their message of climate confusion. Suddenly another major donor group - the insurance industry has the second biggest lobbying spend in federal politics – is pulling their funding because of these activities. As happened with Heartland, other think tanks could find themselves having to choose between these two important donor groups. > > Then there is the potential credibility loss this represents to Heartland and like-minded think tanks’ claims of representing free market interests. As Lehrer rightly points out, denying a scientific reality with potentially far reaching economic consequences “is not good for the free market”. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/512 "2012-06-02T20:25:19Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The Negro race is the race that evolved in Africa. The white race evolved in the Near East and in Europe. Aha, well that makes things easy. All humans evolved in Africa, so we are all part of the Negro race and there are no members of the white race. Problem solved with that definition. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/513 "2012-06-02T20:28:57Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Aha, well that makes things easy. All humans evolved in Africa, so we are all part of the Negro race and there are no members of the white race. Problem solved with that definition. The white race evolved in the Near East after one hundred to several hundred modern humans left Africa 50,000 to 70,000 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/514 "2012-06-02T20:29:42Z")
**NDD** is just upset because his sister went black and never went back. So did his mother. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/515 "2012-06-02T20:31:01Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Aha, well that makes things easy. All humans evolved in Africa, so we are all part of the Negro race and there are no members of the white race. Problem solved with that definition. We are all blacks in different stages of curdiness. 🙂 [http://moreintelligentlife.com/content/jm-ledgard/exodus](http://moreintelligentlife.com/content/jm-ledgard/exodus) > [@](#): > > The Genographic Project, which is underwritten by National Geographic, IBM and the Waitt Foundation, revolves around the dazzling countenance of Spencer Wells (pictured below). With his blond hair, blue eyes and Nebraska roots, he is the ideal high priest to explain to white Americans that they are blacks gone curdy. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/516 "2012-06-02T20:35:45Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Here is a website of logical fallacies. > > [Fallacies - Nizkor](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/) > > Explain how my arguments are illogical. What fallacies have I committed? [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/biased-sample.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/biased-sample.html) [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/composition.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/composition.html) [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html) [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/genetic-fallacy.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/genetic-fallacy.html) [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/confusing-cause-and-effect.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/confusing-cause-and-effect.html) [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/misleading-vividness.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/misleading-vividness.html) And that’s just for starters, really. I’m not even kidding. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/517 "2012-06-02T20:44:26Z")
NDD, Your world-view is among the most cartoonishly ridiculous I’ve ever encountered. Like 1860s Disney racist. Thanks to _Community_ for that reference. Speaking of, are you [this guy?](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtEiAhleP6c) ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/518 "2012-06-02T20:47:31Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Indeed, BTW The Heartland Institute is one of the main crank “stink tanks” for global warming deniers, if **NDD** is following the global warming issue then the fact that he does not know how anti-science that outfit is demonstrates how naive NDD is in reality. > > [http://www.desmogblog.com/how-divide-and-conquer-free-market-climate-change-denial-movement](http://www.desmogblog.com/how-divide-and-conquer-free-market-climate-change-denial-movement) It would be difficult for the Heartland Institute to lie about assertions as easy to verify as school demographics, cost, and performance. Here is an article from The New York Times that says in 2009 Washington DC schools were the third best financed in the United States. [http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/27/of-all-states-new-york-schools-spend-most-money-per-pupil/](http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/27/of-all-states-new-york-schools-spend-most-money-per-pupil/) I have not found information comparing test scores in DC to the various states. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/519 "2012-06-02T20:51:33Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/biased-sample.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/biased-sample.html) Biased sample. I have not compared small samples of whites and blacks. I have compared the averages from everyone who took the SAT in various years. I have also compared crime rates compiled by the FBI. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/520 "2012-06-02T20:52:42Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > It would be difficult for the Heartland Institute to lie about assertions as easy to verify as school demographics, cost, and performance. > > Here is an article from The New York Times that says in 2009 Washington DC schools were the third best financed in the United States. > > [Of All States, New York's Schools Spend Most Money Per Pupil - The New York Times](http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/27/of-all-states-new-york-schools-spend-most-money-per-pupil/) > > I have not found information comparing test scores in DC to the various states. That was not the point you numnuts, the point there was to mention that you are only as good as your sources are, and in reality your sources are the pits, your last one is better, but they do not separate the results by race, hardly useful for your propositions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=27)