# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/581 "2012-06-03T14:09:15Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Lynn had IQ data for less than half of the countries he wrote about- and much of the data he did have was out-of-date, of poor quality, or of a particularly small sample size. Why should we take his “estimates” seriously? To the best of my knowledge Professor Richard Lynn’s study is the only one of this important topic. He used all available data. His findings correspond to every study I have read of the relationship between race, IQ, and mental aptitude in general. From his study [http://sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm](http://sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm) and charts compiled by an OECD/PISA Study > **[Who's No. 1? Finland, Japan and Korea, Says OECD Education Study - Site...](https://siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm)** > > Who's No. 1? Finland, Japan and Korea, Says OECD Education Study one can see a close relationship between a country’s IQ average, and school performance. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/582 "2012-06-03T14:18:45Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > It is both hurtful and it is incorrect. I’m sure it seems that way to you. But you might ask yourself why it is that NDD has kept his cool while at the same time those against him have attacked with a nastiness that borders on narcissistic rage. This should be a red flag. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/583 "2012-06-03T14:20:11Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have difficulty understanding the liberal dogma that rapists are not motivated by sexual desire. This completely irrelevant comment is hardly the controversial revelation you seem to think it is. Between you and me, I think you’re pulling down the average IQ of white people pretty significantly. I think if we removed you as an outlier, we’d probably beat out the Orientals. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/584 "2012-06-03T14:31:44Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I’m sure it seems that way to you. But you might ask yourself why it is that NDD has kept his cool while at the same time those against him have attacked with a nastiness that borders on narcissistic rage. This should be a red flag. As I said before, the presence or lack of emotion has jack all to do with the validity of an argument. Anger is a natural response to injustice. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/585 "2012-06-03T14:34:51Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have difficulty understanding the liberal dogma that rapists are not motivated by sexual desire. They are aware that rape is evil. Perhaps they dislike acknowledging that male sexuality is frequently exploitative and violent. They want to believe that sexuality is fun and harmless. My guess is that it’s to assist in the use of rape as a political issue. If rape is just about sex, then it’s analogous to mugging someone in the street. (Instead of taking money by force, sex is being taken by force. ) Mugging and rape are both evil and should be punished, but neither is reflective of men in general, at least the men from whom feminists wish to extract wealth and power. On the other hand, if rape is about power, then it’s in the same category as other ways in which men assert their dominance over women, for example by being the head of a household or by running a company which has women working in subordinate roles. Of course, feminists believe it’s a terrible state of affairs that men tend to have more dominant roles. Just speculating. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/586 "2012-06-03T14:36:03Z")
Nice try. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/587 "2012-06-03T14:37:19Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I’m sure it seems that way to you. But you might ask yourself why it is that NDD has kept his cool while at the same time those against him have attacked with a nastiness that borders on narcissistic rage. This should be a red flag. People get angry when beliefs they desperately hope to be true, but fear are false, are challenged. If the following assertions really were true: rape is about power, not sex; race is a social construct; IQ tests measure nothing but the ability to take an IQ test, The Bell Curve and IQ and the Wealth of Nations are pseudo science, and so on, it would be easy to explain how and why they are true with a few simple sentences that are easy to understand, and a few facts documented by credible sources. Because this is not possible, and because there is plenty of contrary evidence, when these beliefs are questioned many otherwise polite liberals become screaming masses of hostility and anger. Conservatives also have a tendency to believe things that are not true. For example, they believe that the consumption of fossil fuels is not causing global warming, and that tax cuts generate more tax revenue than tax increases. Nevertheless, they seldom become angry when these beliefs are challenged. They do not try to destroy the careers of those who question these beliefs publicly. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/588 "2012-06-03T14:38:56Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I’m sure it seems that way to you. But you might ask yourself why it is that NDD has kept his cool while at the same time those against him have attacked with a nastiness that borders on narcissistic rage. This should be a red flag. Nah, this last posts of you guys are, besides being the real red flag, the hilarious posts of the day. 😛 The funny bit (and thank you for the laughs BTW even if you have me on ignore to really satisfy your narcissistic rage) is that New Deal Democrat is once again showing his navitee and ignorance by ignoring how anti-science and illogical are the ones supporting him; and speaking of real red flags, when scientific issues are concerned it should not be a right or left issue, but the right in the USA has turned scientific items like human caused global warming into a leftist issue, as even conservative scientists demonstrate, **this is a really big meta lie.** This latest post from conservative scientist Barry Bickmore shows how indeed, global warming denial and even racism are dismissed by Republican scientists. > **[The Monckton Files: Cracked](https://bbickmore.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/the-monckton-files-cracked/)** > > His Lordship, the Third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley (glory be to his Beneficence) has long since careened over the Cliffs of Insanity, but we keep listening to no avail for the “splat.R… > [@](#): > > Not satisfied with his usual conspiracy theories and pseudoscientific nonsense, Monckton has graduated to become Hero of the Birthers. That’s right, he’s been touring the country with a fake Hawaiian birth certificate he had made, claiming that he has hired independent experts who have showed that Obama’s birth certificate is likely a forgery. He recently made the claim on Geraldo Rivera’s radio show, after which Geraldo said he thought Monckton was “smoking crack.” > [@](#): > > What I’m saying is that this is THE STUPIDEST conspiracy theory I have ever seen. And yet, the Heartland Institute recently invited Monckton to talk at their climate change disinformation conference, at which time he repeated his claims about Obama’s birth certificate, to the delight and applause of the attendees. Indeed, the real red flag is raised when a poster then turns to play the political card that only leftists are having a beef with ignoramuses like you guys. The reality is that you only show that your ignorance reaches higher levels. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/589 "2012-06-03T14:40:28Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > As I said before, the presence or lack of emotion has jack all to do with the validity of an argument. Perhaps, but it has a lot to do with peoples’ ability to reason. > [@](#): > > Anger is a natural response to injustice. As well as a natural response to incorrectly perceived injustice. Anyway, in this case, the injustice is that whoever created man decided not to hand out intelligence equally among all races and ethnic groups. It may be natural to get angry over this, but at the same time it’s a rather immature response. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/590 "2012-06-03T14:46:33Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > But you might ask yourself why it is that NDD has kept his cool while at the same time those against him have attacked with a nastiness that borders on narcissistic rage. Because he’s pushing a belief system that has a centuries long record of producing tyranny, brutality, exploitation, and mass murder. We already know where his ideals lead. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/591 "2012-06-03T14:52:43Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Perhaps, but it has a lot to do with peoples’ ability to reason. > > As well as a natural response to incorrectly perceived injustice. > > Anyway, in this case, the injustice is that whoever created man decided not to hand out intelligence equally among all races and ethnic groups. It may be natural to get angry over this, but at the same time it’s a rather immature response. It is even more sad when one realizes that what a bell curve actually implies is that there is still a big chunk of people from the “wrong” “races” that will still be as smart or smarter than the racists that claim that have reason on their side. And why should I be angry when reasonable conservatives even in this thread do not support brazil84 and NDD? I see no reason to be angry here, I expect more evidence of their racism and illogical arguments like the political card they are playing now, I love to taxonomize the racist specimens. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/592 "2012-06-03T14:52:54Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > As I said before, the presence or lack of emotion has jack all to do with the validity of an argument. Anger is a natural response to injustice. It’s also a pretty darn natural response to stubborn, deliberately obtuse jackasses. And I’m a patient guy\*, but if you still don’t understand what I’m saying (not agree with, merely _understand_) after I’ve explained it 10 times in 8 different ways from 3 different angles, I’m shaking the stupid out of you. That’s just how it works. - this is not intended as a factual statement ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/593 "2012-06-03T14:55:23Z")
How is it even remotely possible that there are entire countries in which the average IQ is lower than that of a mentally disabled person who is not able to live on his own in this country? And in these countries, the average person speaks multiple languages. NDD- do you really believe that the average African, who speaks multiple languages fluently, is dumber than the average mentally retarded person in the US? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/594 "2012-06-03T14:57:56Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > To the best of my knowledge Professor Richard Lynn’s study is the only one of this important topic. He used all available data. His findings correspond to every study I have read of the relationship between race, IQ, and mental aptitude in general. > > From his study > > [http://sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm](http://sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm) > > and charts compiled by an OECD/PISA Study > > [Who's No. 1? Finland, Japan and Korea, Says OECD Education Study - Site Selection Online Insider](http://siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm) > > one can see a close relationship between a country’s IQ average, and school performance. The data Lynn used was extremely deficient, and his “extrapolations” are not credible. Have you ever even met an African? Have you ever met someone with an IQ of 70 or less? 70 or less is not just “dumb”- it’s profoundly disabled. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/595 "2012-06-03T15:00:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How is it even remotely possible that there are entire countries in which the average IQ is lower than that of a mentally disabled person who is not able to live on his own in this country? > > And in these countries, the average person speaks multiple languages. NDD- do you really believe that the average African, who speaks multiple languages fluently, is dumber than the average mentally retarded person in the US? Dumber than **NDD** and **brazil84**? Sure he believes that. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/596 "2012-06-03T15:05:47Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > For Leftists (or anti-racists if you prefer), it’s all about emotions. Psst! I’m pretty sure NDD is a leftist! I’m not sure he’d like you talking about him like that. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/597 "2012-06-03T15:37:18Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because he’s pushing a belief system that has a centuries long record of producing tyranny, brutality, exploitation, and mass murder. We already know where his ideals lead. I kinda doubt it. For example, economic populism has produced its fair share of tyranny, brutality, exploitation, and mass murder. And yet in my experience discussions of economic populism don’t produce the same kind of nastiness among people opposed to it. Same thing with discussions of Islam. I don’t see those opposed to Islam getting anywhere near as nasty as the “anti-racists.” ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/598 "2012-06-03T15:38:38Z")
> [@Trepa\_Mayfield](#): > > Psst! I’m pretty sure NDD is a leftist! I’m not sure he’d like you talking about him like that. If he has a problem with the terminology I use, he is free to raise it as an issue with me. My guess is that for him, what matters is the underlying point I am making and not semantic quibbles. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/599 "2012-06-03T15:49:10Z")
NDD/Brazil, why don’t you look at the inverse, blacks in developed 1st world economies who were born and raised in wealth and with a good education? You’re generalizing far too much, and interpreting data from a small set of wildly varying veracity, and likely from dubious, outdated, or insufficient sources, and drawing the conclusion you wanted to believe from the start. Again, the Biased Sample Fallicy, and failing the blind study requirement has brought you into the realm of cheery picking to support your already arrived at preferred beliefs. The world is so damn complicated, using even just one, two or even five points of data-sets to make the bold conclusions you’ve done, and gripping onto it like a devout evangelist shows you’re not even equipped to derive any meaningful conclusion from anything more complicated than “pizza burn mouth. pizza pain. pizza was in oven. oven hot. pizza hot!” If you love knowledge so much, I urge you, for the sake of this pitting, to watch this [TED talk.](http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_harford.html) He’s talking about the economy, but his point can be applied to any sufficiently complex system, such as the points brought up here. You have a God Complex. Here explains how it works; for the love of knowledge at least learn who you really are. Just replace race, anytime he says economy. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/600 "2012-06-03T15:55:59Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > As for the arguments you made in the other thread, and my debunking thereof which you’ve conveniently ignored, they’re just as ill-informed, badly conceived, poorly thought through and just… just overwhelmingly bad. Terrible, in fact. You are not a misunderstood genius. You are not a persecuted truth teller. You are not a gagged prophet. We are not “afraid” to agree with your conclusions. They simply make no sense, internally or externally. > But I have a compelling theory to explain that. > > You, sir, are an idiot. A walking, talking, singing (but not chewing gum at the same time) demonstration and exemplar of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Literally lacking the mental tools to even realize how broken your “arguments” are, the tools to plumb the depths of your dim bulbosity, the means to assess the breadth of your prejudices, or even the self-awareness to acknowledge your own wilful ignorance. > > So you kinda suck, dude. I’m a bit late to the party, but I just want to say that this is one of the awesomest putdowns I have read in a while. _doffs hat at **Kobal2** _ Well played, sir. _golf clap_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=31)