# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/601 "2012-06-03T16:16:02Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > It’s also a pretty darn natural response to stubborn, deliberately obtuse jackasses. > And I’m a patient guy\*, but if you still don’t understand what I’m saying (not agree with, merely _understand_) after I’ve explained it 10 times in 8 different ways from 3 different angles, I’m shaking the stupid out of you. That’s just how it works. > > - this is not intended as a factual statement Yeah, that’s what gets me too. Not the racism alone, but the racism combined with the smug bastardization of the scientific method, the complete rejection of reason, and the failure to defend his position. But as my racism prof said, you have to move beyond righteous indignation. As much as I would like to physically reach out and scoop out the diseased part of NDD’s brain, no amount of evidence will change his mind. I still want to know why, if most everybody secretly believes in the inferiority of certain races, we say otherwise. Again, NDD’s path is the easiest and the most convenient, requires the least amount of critical thinking, etc. I can see no motive for anti-racists to conceal their true feelings. Not doing anything about racial inequality is the path of least resistance. I also want to know how you can create the colorblind society you so idealize when race is obviously so important to you. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/602 "2012-06-03T16:22:31Z")
He lacks humility. He’s a smug ignoramus. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/603 "2012-06-03T16:23:55Z")
There’s no point arguing with turds like this. Just point and laugh and move on. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/604 "2012-06-03T16:26:26Z")
Has any pitting ever made the Threadspotting section? I think this deserves an entry. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/605 "2012-06-03T16:27:31Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > There’s no point arguing with turds like this. Just point and laugh and move on. I think we all know that. Think of it more like target practice, or shooting skeet. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/606 "2012-06-03T16:30:58Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > NDD/Brazil, why don’t you look at the inverse, blacks in developed 1st world economies who were born and raised in wealth and with a good education? Who says I don’t? It looks to me like the mistake you are making is that you don’t understand what your opponents’ actual position is. Just because the Egalitarian Hypothesis is false doesn’t mean that there cannot be substantial numbers of blacks who are smart enough to become educated professionals. If you really want to discuss these issues in good faith, maybe you could start by summarizing what my position is and what the best evidence and arguments are for my position. I promise to (attempt to) do the same for you in return. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/607 "2012-06-03T16:34:27Z")
Honestly, I haven’t really been following your particular arguments in light of the more blinding subject of the OP. I’ll pass on any new threads, thanks. I only have so much time, and I just don’t care enough about whatever your particular stance is. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/608 "2012-06-03T17:01:18Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Who says I don’t? > > It looks to me like the mistake you are making is that you don’t understand what your opponents’ actual position is. > > Just because the Egalitarian Hypothesis is false doesn’t mean that there cannot be substantial numbers of blacks who are smart enough to become educated professionals. > > If you really want to discuss these issues in good faith, maybe you could start by summarizing what my position is and what the best evidence and arguments are for my position. I promise to (attempt to) do the same for you in return. I’ll try. I believe your opinion is that genetic differences cause blacks to have lower average intelligence than whites. Consequently, the concept of “race” is something you believe can be defined clearly enough to separate almost everyone into a few broad distinct racial groups, which most honest experts would agree with if they were not burdened by political correctness. You believe your position to be true, because blacks tend to score lower than whites on intelligence tests and perform worse than whites in tasks which require intelligence. I think you also reject the idea that the above is caused by cultural differences and racism, because you think blacks almost everywhere perform worse than other races almost everywhere, not just in the USA where they have a relatively recent history of slavery and oppression. Have I misrepresented your opinion at all? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/609 "2012-06-03T17:03:09Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Honestly, I haven’t really been following your particular arguments in light of the more blinding subject of the OP. > > I’ll pass on any new threads, thanks. I only have so much time, and I just don’t care enough about whatever your particular stance is. Well if you don’t know or care what my position is, then probably you should not suggest or imply that I am missing some important piece of evidence. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/610 "2012-06-03T17:23:11Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > I’ll try. > > I believe your opinion is that genetic differences cause blacks to have lower average intelligence than whites. Consequently, the concept of “race” is something you believe can be defined clearly enough to separate almost everyone into a few broad distinct racial groups, which most honest experts would agree with if they were not burdened by political correctness. > > You believe your position to be true, because blacks tend to score lower than whites on intelligence tests and perform worse than whites in tasks which require intelligence. > > I think you also reject the idea that the above is caused by cultural differences and racism, because you think blacks almost everywhere perform worse than other races almost everywhere, not just in the USA where they have a relatively recent history of slavery and oppression. > > Have I misrepresented your opinion at all? A little bit but you are close. For one thing, it is not my position that 100% of the “gap” is the result of genetics. I have no problem believing that some part of the gap is due to non-genetic causes. Second, the practicality of the concept of race is independent of any differences in intelligence. Third, I’m not sure what you mean by “distinct,” since it is clear that there are many people who are difficult to classify in one race or another. Fourth, I do not know what “experts” hold about the practicality (or validity) of race. I do know that there are many scientific studies out there which categorize people on the basis of race. I also think that it doesn’t really matter as far as my basic position goes. Fifth, it’s not just the existence of the gap which makes me confident my position is correct – it’s also the persistence of the gap in the face of substantial efforts to close it. (As well as the near-universality of the gap in space and time) ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/611 "2012-06-03T17:44:09Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Well if you don’t know or care what my position is, then probably you should not suggest or imply that I am missing some important piece of evidence. So be it, I’ll re-review your posts and respond in kind. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/612 "2012-06-03T17:53:39Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > So be it, I’ll re-review your posts and respond in kind. Of course you should feel free to, but it won’t change what you did, which was to imply that I had missed some important piece of evidence; accuse me of cherry-picking data; and concluded that I had a “complex” – all without even knowing or caring what my position actually was. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/613 "2012-06-03T18:20:58Z")
As he only ignores me, it has to be pointed out to others what the brazil man is missing: > **[Cavalli-Sforza on “The Bell Curve”](https://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/cavalli-sforza-on-%E2%80%9Cthe-bell-curve%E2%80%9D/)** > > Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, a Stanford geneticist, said in 1995 that “The Bell Curve” (1994) by Charles Murray and Harvard psychologist Richard J Herrnstein is wrong on the science. Murray and Herrn… > [@](#): > > Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, a Stanford geneticist, said in 1995 that “The Bell Curve” (1994) by Charles Murray and Harvard psychologist Richard J Herrnstein is wrong on the science. > > Murray and Herrnstein said that IQ is about 60% genetic. That was the best value as of 1976. Since then several important papers, particularly Rice, Cloninger and Reich (1980), have come out showing that the true number is about 33%. > > Cavalli-Sforza says that the best known way to to tell how much genes affect something like IQ is to do adoption studies and then run the numbers through path analysis. At first that did give a number close to 60%, but since 1980 it has been repeatedly turning out numbers close to 33%. > > Cavalli-Sforza: > > > [@](#): > > > > It is somewhat disconcerting that all these papers are totally ignored in “The Bell Curve”…. Researchers who might be called “IQ hereditarians” are in general reporting high heritabilities for IQ without any information on how these calculations have been obtained, or why the other papers here cited have been ignored. It is unlikely that they were not seen or read; they are published in well-known scientific journals. > > **But even if we assume that IQ is 60% genetic between parent and child, that still does not mean the difference between blacks and whites is mainly genetic.** > > Height, for example, seems to be much more genetic than IQ and yet people in Europe are much taller now than 200 years ago. Since there has been almost no change in the genes of Europeans in that time, the difference is pretty much 0% genetic. Despite height being highly genetic. > > Murray and Herrnstein know this and admit this, yet they still say it is “likely” the difference in IQs between blacks and whites is mostly genetic. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/614 "2012-06-03T19:30:53Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Of course you should feel free to, but it won’t change what you did, which was to imply that I had missed some important piece of evidence; accuse me of cherry-picking data; and concluded that I had a “complex” – all without even knowing or caring what my position actually was. Admittedly, I was pointing that post more toward NDD than you, but really, where is your evidence for “races,” having quantifiable genetic categories that classify them into genetic racial groups as such? Pointing to things like genetic pathological traits, such as sickle cell anemia doesn’t count, because it’s a congenital, inheritable trait (from both parents), and not limited to people of only African decent. I still have yet to find the time to read over all your posts, I’m basing this on your post [#610.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15128139&postcount=610) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/615 "2012-06-03T19:39:55Z")
**cmyk** , why are you trying to “engage” these morons? Your time would be much better spent sorting belly button lint. They are too stupid to understand science and anyone else reading their drivel is only going to come away with a bruised brain and utter contempt for the poor dumb white guys who are so scared of anyone darker than they are that they have to prattle on about “genetics” as opposed to accepting the fact that it is **they** who are inferior, genetically-speaking. That comes from inbreeding for generations. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/616 "2012-06-03T19:45:48Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > **cmyk** , why are you trying to “engage” these morons? Your time would be much better spent sorting belly button lint. They are too stupid to understand science and anyone else reading their drivel is only going to come away with a bruised brain and utter contempt for the poor dumb white guys who are so scared of anyone darker than they are that they have to prattle on about “genetics” as opposed to accepting the fact that it is **they** who are inferior, genetically-speaking. That comes from inbreeding for generations. I’m a glutton for engaging with idiots on the internet. I find it fascinating, actually; I never get the opportunity to have such candid discourse with people so baptized in ignorance, it’s sort of cathartic. Besides, my navel lint is already sorted, labeled and properly catalogued and archived. This is my new hobby. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/617 "2012-06-03T19:50:41Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Admittedly, I was pointing that post more toward NDD than you, Then kindly apologize. > [@](#): > > where is your evidence for “races,” having quantifiable genetic categories that classify them into genetic racial groups as such? First please show me where I asserted that there are “‘races,’ having quantifiable genetic categories that classify them into genetic racial groups as such.” Please quote me. Failing that, please admit that I made no such assertion and apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/618 "2012-06-03T19:53:30Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Failing that, please admit that I made no such assertion and apologize. How about you apologize first for all the foolish and offensive things you’ve posted in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/619 "2012-06-03T19:58:09Z")
Careful guys, you risk being “banned” by brazil, that is what he calls it when he adds you in his ignore list, he is so pathetic that he even “banishes” you in his full of cobwebs blog. [/Sarcasm] ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/620 "2012-06-03T20:11:11Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > How about you apologize first for all the foolish and offensive things you’ve posted in this thread. If the truth is offensive to you (or seems foolish), that’s no concern of mine. Of course, if I have misstated or misattributed anyone’s position, please show me where I have done so and I will promptly apologize. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=32)