# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/681 "2012-06-04T04:53:13Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > How exactly are you defining “subset” such that ethnicities count as subsets but races do not? > > I have another rule which is that people must answer reasonable questions so that I can understand their position. See below: > > Please don’t dodge the question: > > Let’s break it down: > > First, do you agree that according to you there is no set of genes which defines any race? > > Second, do you agree that according to you, it is for this reason that race is “meaningless” in a scientific or genetic sense? > > Third, do you agree that according to you there is also no set of genes which defines any ethnicity? > > Fourth, do you agree that by the same logic, it follows that ethnicity is “meaningless” in a scientific or genetic sense? > > If not, why not? > > Why? Time for bed, so I’ll make this short. 1. I see no meaningful genetic difference between ethnicity and race. It’s all just culture, religion regionality and phenotypical window dressing, on an undivergent human brain (albeit with its own variants, but shared by all humans alike), 2. Until this concept of race can be defined with a group of traits, then of course it makes sense that there is no set of genes that define races. So far, it’s undefined (i.e. meaningless) 3. Yep, see answer above. 4. again, like race, ethnicity is a very fuzzy, ill-defined, and continuously blurring concept. I see no basis in genetics for ethnicity, either. 5. Yes, see above. 6. Because if you’re defining races by genetic traits, and comparing them as subspecies, or dog breeds, your claims of these traits, be it physical or cognative, must remain cohesive and whole. I don’t believe in human mongrels or purebreds. It’s non-sense. We’re just _people._ 'night. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/682 "2012-06-04T04:59:53Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > My mind cannot be changed by yelling silly insults at me. We know that. But your mind cannot be changed by rational arguments either. So if nothing can change your mind, we might as well yell silly insults at you because that’s at least fun. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/683 "2012-06-04T06:39:16Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If those who claim to believe in innate racial equality really believed what they claim to believe they would not get go angry when the topic comes up. During and before the civil rights movement one could argue that racial discrimination was responsible for black social pathology and inferior academic performance. I have not heard anyone claim that they believe in innate racial equality. Its the differences that make us great. Why do you think that America is so much greater than China or Israel? Is it now YOUR turn to make excuses? > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > …I have talked to people who have taught in black public schools. Most tell me that most of the students are several years behind whites and Orientals, and that many of them are dangerous. I have _never_ talked to a person who taught blacks who told me that their students were courteous and achieved well. > > Experiences like this reinforce racial prejudices and stereotypes generation after generation. > > Although it has become dangerous to discuss black shortcomings, as long as these shortcomings persist so will racial prejudice. It is natural for one to allow previous experience to influence current perceptions. I grew up in far rockaway, when I was young. I did some teaching there and I did not notice any difference between the immigrant Asian students and the black descendants of slaves. Perhaps the difference shows up later but then you have to wonder if environment doesn’t have something to do with it. Or is your theory that black inferiority doesn’t manifest itself until puberty? I agree that the perception of criminality and poor academic performance among blacks perpetuates prejudice. It doesn’t help that some people seem intent on maintaining that perception. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > What you say is true of the NAEP. Nevertheless the race gap in SAT scores between whites and blacks has grown: > > [Fast Facts: SAT scores (171)](http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171) Doesn’t that give you at least some reason to doubt concllusions that you have seemed to reach? > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Environment is obviously a force, but not the only or even the most important factor. The persistent pattern of racial differences, both geographically and historically, provides impressive evidence of genetic differences. Also, racial differences are plausible when we consider that different racial groups have faced different population pressures. In paleolithic societies the best hunters and warriors had several wives and the most children. In China members of the scholar gentry did. I don’t think you have presented any evidence that environment isn’t the most important factor. Or at least a more important factor than genetics. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have presented a null hypothesis for my theory that racial differences are primarily biological. What is the null hypothesis for your theory that the races are biologically equivalent? I don’t know if its possible given the world we live in. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Here is an article from The New York Times that says in 2009 Washington DC schools were the third best financed in the United States. A city is different than a state. Do you think DC is the third best funded city? > [@cmyk](#): > > Crime by Blacks regularly occur together. > Therefore Crime is caused by Blacks. > This fallacy requires that there is not, in fact, a common cause that actually causes both Murder and Blacks. **Such as being raised in poverty would increase any group of people to resort to crime.** Those factors are usually corrected for. > [@tomndebb](#): > > This would only have been true if Africa had been allowed to develop independently and without interference. Given that all of sub-Saharan Africa was subjected to colonial powers who created artificial lands by joining competing societies or by dividing homogeneous societies and who routinely denied the people of those lands even the rudimentary education that was granted to blacks in the U.S., your claim is utterly ludicrous and demonstrates either a shocking ignorance of history or a willfull desire to ignore it. > > And that is even before getting to the point that most of Lynn’s "IQ"s are inventions that are unsupported by scientific data. Africa is not the only victim of colonialization. > [@Sailboat](#): > > Are you deliberately misunderstanding me, or did you not read the citatoin? My citation discusses the fact that what you’re calling “different human breeds” is a result of arbitrary, often wildly wrong decisions about who is related to whom. The idea that there is any group one could call “blacks” or “Africans” that has some more closely shared inheritance than different subset of that group have with other groups you don’t lump into “blacks” or “Africans” is what’s wrong-headed, NOT the idea that things are un-inheritable. You’re knocking down an argument I did not make. Thats not what your cite said. Your cite said that trying to divide up people by race is arbitrary for reasons that are entirely unconvincing. > [@](#): > > To use your own example– > – what you’re really doing is finding some left-handed people _who have no freckles_, and some _right-handed_ people, and lumping those groups into “left-handed people with freckles,” and then telling everyone “See? Left handed people with freckles…” I’m saying, “Dude, those people aren’t, in fact, all left-handed or all freckled, they’re not as related as you assume they are, and other people can see that. Your conclusions are wildly off base because you’re not, for some reason, seeing that.” Seeing what? Those people don’t have to be related. I specifically chose freckled and left handed because noone will say that all left handed people are related. But if freckles correlates with left handedness and if people with freckles tend to breed with each other and we find that their kids have a higher incidence of left handedness, then you might infer that left handedness is heritable and that this group of freckled people are more likely to have that gene. I’m not saying that having freckles per se causes left handedness. I am saying that if people with freckles tend to bred with people with freckles and they all tend to have a higher incidence of left handeness then their kids might have a higher incidence of left handedness as well. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because he’s pushing a belief system that has a centuries long record of producing tyranny, brutality, exploitation, and mass murder. We already know where his ideals lead. Yes, thats the biggest problem, we know what lies at the bottom of that slippery slope. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/684 "2012-06-04T08:22:17Z")
Hijack: > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I have not heard anyone claim that they believe in innate racial equality. Its the differences that make us great. Why do you think that America is so much greater than China or Israel? Maybe I’m being whooshed here, but the Jewish population of Israel alone is very culturally and genetically diverse. It’s part of what makes \*us \*great. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/685 "2012-06-04T09:12:53Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Time for bed, so I’ll make this short. > > 1. I see no meaningful genetic difference between ethnicity and race. Then why is that races are no subsets of the human species (whatever that means) but ethnic groups are? And are dog breed subsets of _canus whatever_? > [@](#): > > 1. Yes, see above. And is it your position that genetic traits are distributed equally among all ethnic groups? > [@](#): > > Because if you’re defining races by genetic traits, and comparing them as subspecies, or dog breeds, your claims of these traits, be it physical or cognative, must remain cohesive and whole. I don’t see why. Here’s a hypothetical for you: Let’s suppose that intelligence is discovered to be controlled for the most part by genes A through J. The more of these alleles one has, the smarter one is. For example, if you have Allele A, you can expect to be significantly smarter than if you have A’. Let’s suppose further that a genetic analysis is done and it turns out that each of alleles A through J is significantly more common among whites than among blacks. For example, 86% of whites have allele A while only 9% of blacks have allele A – instead blacks usually have allele A’. However, all of the alleles are present to a certain extent in both races. It’s just the frequencies which are different. In that case, would you agree that the Egalitarian Hypothesis is false? Second, would you agree that the situation does not satisfy your “cohesive and whole” test? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/686 "2012-06-04T11:17:21Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I have not heard anyone claim that they believe in innate racial equality. Its the differences that make us great. Why do you think that America is so much greater than China or Israel? Is it now YOUR turn to make excuses? China is catching up with the United States quickly. Israel is much smaller than the United States, so there cannot be a comparison. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/687 "2012-06-04T11:19:14Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I grew up in far rockaway, when I was young. I did some teaching there and I did not notice any difference between the immigrant Asian students and the black descendants of slaves. Perhaps the difference shows up later but then you have to wonder if environment doesn’t have something to do with it. Or is your theory that black inferiority doesn’t manifest itself until puberty? That must have been a distant rock. Everyone I have talked to who has taught Asian and black students disagrees with you. Data I have posted here agrees with them, rather than you. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/688 "2012-06-04T11:21:54Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I agree that the perception of criminality and poor academic performance among blacks perpetuates prejudice. It doesn’t help that some people seem intent on maintaining that perception. Don’t complain to me. Complain to the blacks whose criminality and poor academic performance perpetuates the prejudice against them. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/689 "2012-06-04T11:24:23Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I don’t think you have presented any evidence that environment isn’t the most important factor. Or at least a more important factor than genetics. The evidence consists of persistent racial patterns that exist in many different environments. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/690 "2012-06-04T11:28:41Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because he’s pushing a belief system that has a centuries long record of producing tyranny, brutality, exploitation, and mass murder. We already know where his ideals lead. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Yes, thats the biggest problem, we know what lies at the bottom of that slippery slope. The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed. This “argument” has the following form: Event X has occurred (or will or might occur). Therefore event Y will inevitably happen. This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another without an argument for such a claim. This is especially clear in cases in which there is a significant number of steps or gradations between one event and another. [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/691 "2012-06-04T12:10:59Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > What you say is true of the NAEP. Nevertheless the race gap in SAT scores between whites and blacks has grown: > > [Fast Facts: SAT scores (171)](http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171) If you find a cherry orchard with fruit removed from the trees in a line whose ordinal numbers define the primes, the Fibonacci sequence, or some such specific pattern, it’s as good as a graffito reading “NDD Was Here”. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/692 "2012-06-04T12:30:46Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Then why is that races are no subsets of the human species (whatever that means) but ethnic groups are? > > And are dog breed subsets of _canus whatever_? I never said that. I said ethnicity and race have no real basis in science. Neither are subspecies of Homo sapiens sapiens. And yes, dog breeds are a subspecies of Canis lupus familiaris. They are artificially selected for, by humans, to draw out particular sets of traits. This is not equivalent in humans. Nobody is actively breeding us to draw out, or even eliminate genetic traits. > [@brazil84](#): > > And is it your position that genetic traits are distributed equally among all ethnic groups? Of course not. But that doesnt mean so called races or ethnic groups can’t inherit whatever trait humanity has to offer. > [@brazil84](#): > > I don’t see why. Here’s a hypothetical for you: Let’s suppose that intelligence is discovered to be controlled for the most part by genes A through J. The more of these alleles one has, the smarter one is. For example, if you have Allele A, you can expect to be significantly smarter than if you have A’. > > Let’s suppose further that a genetic analysis is done and it turns out that each of alleles A through J is significantly more common among whites than among blacks. For example, 86% of whites have allele A while only 9% of blacks have allele A – instead blacks usually have allele A’. However, all of the alleles are present to a certain extent in both races. It’s just the frequencies which are different. > > In that case, would you agree that the Egalitarian Hypothesis is false? > > Second, would you agree that the situation does not satisfy your “cohesive and whole” test? Your hypotheticals alone are very arguable. Not being a geneticist myself, I can’t give a meaningful response, other than of all the materials I’ve read on the topic, intelligence is the accumulation of an enormous amount of genes, resulting in heritability of around .5. However socioeconomic and environmental factors also have been shown to play huge part in the development of IQs from adolescence through adulthood. Think of our heritability in intelligence like the natural heritable variance you might find in beans. If two groups of these beans, both scooped from the same sack, we’re grown under different conditions and nutrients, you’d still have that heritable variance, but the group of beans grown without fertilizer aren’t going to be as robust as the group that was. So it is with the impoverished compared to the affluent. As for my ethicl stance on egalitarianism, I’m of the philosophical position laid out by John Rawls. That despite any perceived inequalities from individual to individual, if we could somehow pull a magic lever, and everyone in America randomly switched bodies, not only now holding their physical bodies as your own (for better or worse), but also cognitive abilities/disabilities, then I think we can all agree that striving for equality is a good idea. As for the solution to that goal, I have no fucking idea how to get there. Any ideas? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/693 "2012-06-04T12:41:47Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > As for the solution to that goal, I have no fucking idea how to get there. Any ideas? You’re asking _him_?:eek: ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/694 "2012-06-04T12:43:09Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > I said ethnicity and race have no real basis in science. Neither are subspecies of Homo sapiens sapiens. Actually you said that they are not “subsets.” But you refuse to explain what you mean by the word “subset” It seems you are not using the normal definition, which is “a part of a larger group of related things” > [@](#): > > And yes, dog breeds are a subspecies of Canis lupus familiaris. They are artificially selected for, by humans, to draw out particular sets of traits. I’m not sure what your point is here. Here’s what you said before: > [@](#): > > There’s no such thing as ethnic French ot German genes. Likewise between breeds of dogs So by your logic, the “genetic idea” of dog breeds is “meaningless.” Right? > [@](#): > > Of course not. And the same thing applies to races too, correct? > [@](#): > > Your hypotheticals alone are very arguable. Not being a geneticist myself, I can’t give a meaningful response, other than of all the materials I’ve read on the topic, intelligence is the accumulation of an enormous amount of genes, resulting in heritability of around .5. I’m not asking you whether you agree with my hypothetical or not. I’m simply asking if you agree that I have described a possible situation where (1) the Egalitarian Hypothesis is false; and (2) races fail your “cohesive and whole” test. It’s a reasonable pair of yes or no questions and I really would like answers. If your answer is “I don’t know,” fine, but in that case you have no business arguing that “cohesive and whole” has any relevance whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/695 "2012-06-04T12:48:59Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed. This “argument” has the following form: > > Event X has occurred (or will or might occur). > Therefore event Y will inevitably happen. > This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another without an argument for such a claim. This is especially clear in cases in which there is a significant number of steps or gradations between one event and another. > [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html) Dude, I already realize you’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer (nor the cleanest), but the slippery slope only a fallacy in and of itself, only if improperly applied. When it _is_ applied correctly, as **Damuri Ajashi** as done, it’s a legitimate line of logic and reasoning, because we have seen the resulting abomination of racism in almost every ugly permutation that has reared it’s repugnant head throughout history. And the stoopid ever spirals on… ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/696 "2012-06-04T12:53:08Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Actually you said that they are not “subsets.” But you refuse to explain what you mean by the word “subset” It seems you are not using the normal definition, which is “a part of a larger group of related things” > > I’m not sure what your point is here. > > Here’s what you said before: > > So by your logic, the “genetic idea” of dog breeds is “meaningless.” > > Right? > > And the same thing applies to races too, correct? > > I’m not asking you whether you agree with my hypothetical or not. I’m simply asking if you agree that I have described a possible situation where (1) the Egalitarian Hypothesis is false; and (2) races fail your “cohesive and whole” test. > > It’s a reasonable pair of yes or no questions and I really would like answers. > > If your answer is “I don’t know,” fine, but in that case you have no business arguing that “cohesive and whole” has any relevance whatsoever. Ugh. You’re a tedious fuck. I only read your first sentence and realized your just rehashing the same shit over and over again. This isn’t Great Debates or a fucking interrogation. Draw a conclusion already, dipshit. Or you know what, just put me wherever you put **Vinyl Turnip.** ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/697 "2012-06-04T12:59:30Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Ugh. You’re a tedious fuck. Lol, i.e. you prefer to hide your position behind a cloak of ambiguity. > [@](#): > > I only read your first sentence and realized your just rehashing the same shit over and over again. Only because you continue to bob and weave. > [@](#): > > Draw a conclusion already, dipshit. My conclusion is that you haven’t thought these issues through very carefully and that you would prefer not to. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/698 "2012-06-04T13:18:48Z")
You got me! I’m’a just a bobbin’ and weavin’ sorta guy. But answer me this, what’s your definition of the words: logic, subset, groups, species, subspecies, ethnicity, race, farts, definition and answer? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/699 "2012-06-04T13:26:09Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Lol, i.e. you prefer to hide your position behind a cloak of ambiguity. But seriously, no. You are actually being tedious. Like, to a supernatural degree. I’m not kidding. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/700 "2012-06-04T13:29:48Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Dude, I already realize you’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer (nor the cleanest), but the slippery slope only a fallacy in and of itself, only if improperly applied. > > When it _is_ applied correctly, as **Damuri Ajashi** as done, it’s a legitimate line of logic and reasoning, because we have seen the resulting abomination of racism in almost every ugly permutation that has reared it’s repugnant head throughout history. Another fallacy used by those who fear the consequences of biological explanations for individual and racial differences is the fallacy of the consequences of a belief. * * * The Appeal to the Consequences of a Belief is a fallacy that comes in the following patterns: X is true because if people did not accept X as being true then there would be negative consequences. X is false because if people did not accept X as being false, then there would be negative consequences. X is true because accepting that X is true has positive consequences. X is false because accepting that X is false has positive consequences. I wish that X were true, therefore X is true. This is known as Wishful Thinking. I wish that X were false, therefore X is false. This is known as Wishful Thinking. This line of “reasoning” is fallacious because the consequences of a belief have no bearing on whether the belief is true or false. [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-consequences.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-consequences.html) * * * There should not be any taboos against investigating the truth and propagating it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=36)