# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/701 "2012-06-04T13:33:37Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > You got me! > > I’m’a just a bobbin’ and weavin’ sorta guy. I’m well aware of that. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/702 "2012-06-04T13:37:08Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > But seriously, no. You are actually being tedious. :shrug: Sure – it would be a lot more comfortable for you to just wave your hands about about “genetic ideas” being “meaningless” without carefully scrutinizing the underlying assertions and logic. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/703 "2012-06-04T13:38:38Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Another fallacy used by those who fear the consequences of biological explanations for individual and racial differences is the fallacy of the consequences of a belief. > > * * * > > The Appeal to the Consequences of a Belief is a fallacy that comes in the following patterns: > > X is true because if people did not accept X as being true then there would be negative consequences. > X is false because if people did not accept X as being false, then there would be negative consequences. > X is true because accepting that X is true has positive consequences. > X is false because accepting that X is false has positive consequences. > I wish that X were true, therefore X is true. This is known as Wishful Thinking. > I wish that X were false, therefore X is false. This is known as Wishful Thinking. > This line of “reasoning” is fallacious because the consequences of a belief have no bearing on whether the belief is true or false. > [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-consequences.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-consequences.html) > > * * * > > There should not be any taboos against investigating the truth and propagating it. I’m down with seeking truth, but you have already concluded what that truth is without any adequate evidence. I don’t have a problem with the hypothesis itself, but I do have a problem drawing conclusions without any evidence. I also have a problem with your lack of humility on the issues, and your smug arrogance that you can’t possibly be wrong, or the rest of us are tricking ourselves for the sake of political correctness. Besides, what evidence there is, largely disagrees with your views. And you can stop quoting verbatim the fallacies off that site. I’m already familiar with most of them, and have had that very site bookmarked for quite some time. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/704 "2012-06-04T13:39:58Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > On the other hand, where were you when innocent black people were getting lynched and viciously murdered all up and down this country by white supremacists, not nearly 2 or 3 generations ago. Jesse Jackson has pointed out that the number of blacks lynched since the end of the Civil War is less than the number of blacks murdered by other blacks every year. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/705 "2012-06-04T13:46:18Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > :shrug: Sure – it would be a lot more comfortable for you to just wave your hands about about “genetic ideas” being “meaningless” without carefully scrutinizing the underlying assertions and logic. You’re parsing my posts wrong. Not “genetic ideas,” but the idea that there’s a meaningful definition of race on a wholly genetic level. There isn’t. Read for comprehension, not as a study in semantics. Also, your attempts at goading me to respond in playing your games by using juevinile tactics, like the Internet equivalent of calling someone ‘chicken’ won’t work. There is a point where your filibuster style of debating just drives people off. Like I’m doing now. Later, racist. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/706 "2012-06-04T13:48:00Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Jesse Jackson has pointed out that the number of blacks lynched since the end of the Civil War is less than the number of blacks murdered by other blacks every year. Oh yay! That makes the lynching all better now! You’re like an impossible abyss of ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/707 "2012-06-04T13:49:25Z")
> [@Trepa\_Mayfield](#): > > Psst! I’m pretty sure NDD is a leftist! I’m not sure he’d like you talking about him like that. I am of the old left, not the Marxist left, but the socialist labor left of Norman Thomas and Walter Reuther. It is clear to me that the New Deal worked, and that much of the Great Society did not. During the 1960s liberal democrats assumed with no evidence that if racial discrimination was ended blacks would behave and perform as well as whites. This has not happened. If there had been more of an awareness of how intractable racial differences are the civil rights legislation would have been more moderate, and it would have been passed more slowly. The social dislocations that lead to the Republican domination of the United States would have been less likely. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/708 "2012-06-04T13:54:00Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Those bigots were wrong, they were stupid, their culture backwards and retarded. Quite frankly the family they came from was defective, as it produce people so evil they’d turn attack dogs and fire houses on peaceful innocent people just wanting equal treatment. What about those black ghetto rioters who were so evil that when the police lost control of the situation they looted and burned small shops and stores the owners’ families depended on for their livelihood? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/709 "2012-06-04T13:54:02Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > You’re parsing my posts wrong. Not “genetic ideas,” but the idea that there’s a meaningful definition of race on a wholly genetic level. There isn’t. “genetic idea” is your phrase – not mine. Besides which you’ve already conceded that the same principle applies to ethnicities and dog breeds. And yet you don’t deny there are genetic traits which are NOT distributed equally among ethnicities and dog breeds. In short, your hand-waving about “meaningful definitions” is just a red herring. > [@](#): > > Read for comprehension, not as a study in semantics. Oh, I do read for comprehension – that’s exactly the problem here. Your position makes no sense. > [@](#): > > Also, your attempts at goading me to respond Nice attack on motivations, there. > [@](#): > > There is a point where your filibuster style of debating just drives people off. Like I’m doing now. i.e. you don’t like having a spotlight shined on the nonsense you spew. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/710 "2012-06-04T14:04:46Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Besides, what evidence there is, largely disagrees with your views. If anyone posted any evidence that most blacks behave and perform as well as most whites I missed it. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/711 "2012-06-04T14:06:25Z")
I don’t have the credentials or the time (or even care to) school you on what the difference between breeds of dogs and a race of humans are, or what a subspecies is and how race and ethnicity are not human subspecies. Especially on the genetic level. Figure it out on your own. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/712 "2012-06-04T14:06:57Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > What about those black ghetto rioters who were so evil that when the police lost control of the situation they looted and burned small shops and stores the owners’ families depended on for their livelihood? Wow. So you’ve identified that there do exist bad black people on the earth. Does this have any bearing on anything? Actually, it probably gives us a good insight into why you have such disdain and low opinions of black people. It can’t possibly be that Lynn IQ evidence- his methodology is terrible, his data is spotty and weak, and his conclusions don’t make sense. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/713 "2012-06-04T14:07:33Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If anyone posted any evidence that most blacks behave and perform as well as most whites I missed it. We have no evidence, either way, on a _level playing field._ I know it’s hard to imagine, but try to grasp that concept first. Baby steps. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/714 "2012-06-04T14:20:00Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > “genetic idea” is your phrase – not mine. Besides which you’ve already conceded that the same principle applies to ethnicities and dog breeds. And yet you don’t deny there are genetic traits which are NOT distributed equally among ethnicities and dog breeds. > > In short, your hand-waving about “meaningful definitions” is just a red herring. One more attempt, then I’m done. If you don’t agree with this, I’m not the one spewing nonsense. From the [subspecies](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subspecies) article on Wikipedia: > [@Wikipedia](#): > > Subspecies (commonly abbreviated subsp. or ssp.) in biological classification is either a taxonomic rank subordinate to species, or a taxonomic unit in that rank (plural: subspecies). A subspecies cannot be recognized in isolation: a species will either be recognized as having no subspecies at all or two or more, never just one. **(However, all but one subspecies may be extinct, as in Homo sapiens sapiens.)** Also, [monotypic species:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subspecies#Monotypic_and_polytypic_species) > [@Wikipedia](#): > > A monotypic species has no distinct population or races, or rather one race comprising the whole species. Monotypic species can occur in several ways: > > [ul] > [li]All members of the species are very similar and cannot be sensibly divided into biologically significant subcategories.[/li][li]The individuals vary considerably but the variation is essentially random and largely meaningless so far as genetic transmission of these variations is concerned.[/li][li]The variation among individuals is noticeable and follows a pattern, but there are no clear dividing lines among separate groups: they fade imperceptibly into one another. Such clinal variation always indicates substantial gene flow among the apparently separate groups that make up the population(s). Populations that have a steady, substantial gene flow among them are likely to represent a monotypic species even when a fair degree of genetic variation is obvious.[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/715 "2012-06-04T14:36:55Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > But answer me this, what’s your definition of the words: logic, subset, groups, species, subspecies, ethnicity, race, farts, definition and answer? Why aren’t you answering my questions?! You must be hiding behind a hood of ambiguity. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/716 "2012-06-04T15:07:01Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > If you don’t agree with this, I’m not the one spewing nonsense. I agree it’s possible that human races do not qualify as “subspecies” as that term is formally defined. I don’t know one way or another so I won’t dispute it. The nonsense you are spewing is your insinuation that this is dispositive of the actual question under discussion. In short, you are advancing a red herring. Let me ask you this: Is it your position that genetically-informed traits are distributed equally among all races? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/717 "2012-06-04T15:16:08Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Why aren’t you answering my questions?! > > You must be hiding behind a hood of ambiguity. As noticed, even a long time ago in other science based subjects, the brazil guy is really a clam debater rather than a calm debater. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/718 "2012-06-04T15:33:41Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Ugh. You’re a tedious fuck. I only read your first sentence and realized your just rehashing the same shit over and over again. At last you see. This is the same technique he applies to every debate: picks an inconsequential point, a bit of semantic minutia, or a question that’s barely relevant to the overall discussion, and pounds it with his little toy hammer all the livelong day. **84** has an unbroken string of rhetorical “victories” by forfeit, as his opponents suddenly realize they’re completely wasting their time and feel foolish for engaging him in the first place. Welcome to the club. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/719 "2012-06-04T15:39:00Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > We have no evidence, either way, on a _level playing field._ I know it’s hard to imagine, but try to grasp that concept first. Baby steps. When the level playing field low one finds results like this: * * * San Francisco’s Chinatown in the 1960s became one of the most impoverished areas in California. Public policy professors James Q. Wilson and Richard Hernstein wrote: “One neighborhood in San Francisco had the lowest income, the highest unemployment rate, the highest proportion of families with incomes under $4,000 per year, the least educational attainment, the highest tuberculosis rate and the highest proportion of substandard housing. … That neighborhood was called Chinatown. Yet, in 1965, there were only five persons of Chinese ancestry committed to prison in the entire state of California.” Two low-income areas outside of Boston – South Boston and Roxbury – were featured several years ago in U.S. News & World Report. They had similar socio-economic profiles: high levels of unemployment; the same percentage of children born to single-parent households; and the same percentage of people living in public housing. But the violent crime rate in Roxbury, predominately black, was four times higher than that of South Boston, predominately white. Culture and values explain why some countries and some communities experience crime, while others do not. This explains why many students from Asian countries outperform equally “disadvantaged” black and brown students from the same “underperforming” inner-city government schools. [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/03/17/japanese\_earthquake\_looters\_--\_mia\_109252.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/03/17/japanese_earthquake_looters_--_mia_109252.html) ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/720 "2012-06-04T15:51:28Z")
It’s so odd that you think there’s a genetic difference between races, but you won’t acknowledge there’s a social difference. And by odd, I mean stupid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=37)