# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/721 "2012-06-04T16:02:26Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > At last you see. This is the same technique he applies to every debate: picks an inconsequential point, a bit of semantic minutia, or a question that’s barely relevant to the overall discussion, and pounds it with his little toy hammer all the livelong day. **84** has an unbroken string of rhetorical “victories” by forfeit, as his opponents suddenly realize they’re completely wasting their time and feel foolish for engaging him in the first place. > > Welcome to the club. I’ve learned my lesson, and will now throw myself on this landmine I’ve been saving for special occasions. It’s shards of rusty metal penetrating my being will feel like bliss compared to the insufferable drivel **84** drip, drip, driped onto my brain. So I go on, to be a lesson for others! Remember me! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/722 "2012-06-04T16:14:55Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Two low-income areas outside of Boston – South Boston and Roxbury – were featured several years ago in U.S. News & World Report. They had similar socio-economic profiles: high levels of unemployment; the same percentage of children born to single-parent households; and the same percentage of people living in public housing. But the violent crime rate in Roxbury, predominately black, was four times higher than that of South Boston, predominately white. Similar socio-economic profiles? Wrong. [South Boston](http://www.zillow.com/local-info/MA-Boston/South-Boston-people/r_155633/)has a _higher_ median income than the whole of Boston as well as a higher median age (more older people) than the whole of Boston. [Roxbury](http://www.cityofboston.gov/Images_Documents/Roxbury_PD_Profile_tcm3-12996.pdf) has a significantly _lower_ median income than the whole of Boston, and a significantly lower median age than the whole of Boston. These two areas of Boston are simply NOT “similar” socio-economically speaking, not even close. Stop accepting the claims of these articles, just because they happen to support your pre-conceived notions. It’s becoming more and more obvious that you’re opinions _can’t possibly_ be based on actual data, because the data you point to is either wrong (like this one), deficient to the point of near non-existence (like Lynn’s study), or historically untrustworthy (like US crime stats). ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/723 "2012-06-04T16:15:07Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The evidence consists of persistent racial patterns that exist in many different environments. Er, no; that’s the claim you are required to **prove**. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/724 "2012-06-04T16:17:29Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have presented a null hypothesis for my theory that racial differences are primarily biological. What is the null hypothesis for your theory that the races are biologically equivalent? The discovery of two human groups who are mutually infertile. Your cite to demonstrate the accuracy of the null hypothesis, please…? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/725 "2012-06-04T16:18:29Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I agree it’s possible that human races do not qualify as “subspecies” as that term is formally defined. I don’t know one way or another so I won’t dispute it. > > The nonsense you are spewing is your insinuation that this is dispositive of the actual question under discussion. In short, you are advancing a red herring. > > Let me ask you this: Is it your position that genetically-informed traits are distributed equally among all races? I already answered that. > [@cmyk](#): > > But answer me this, what’s your definition of the words: logic, subset, groups, species, subspecies, ethnicity, race, farts, definition and answer? Now, why aren’t you answering my questions?! You must be hiding behind a clammy white hood of anonymity. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/726 "2012-06-04T16:18:55Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > When the level playing field low one finds results like this: > > * * * > > San Francisco’s Chinatown in the 1960s became one of the most impoverished areas in California. Public policy professors James Q. Wilson and Richard Hernstein wrote: “One neighborhood in San Francisco had the lowest income, the highest unemployment rate, the highest proportion of families with incomes under $4,000 per year, the least educational attainment, the highest tuberculosis rate and the highest proportion of substandard housing. … That neighborhood was called Chinatown. Yet, in 1965, there were only five persons of Chinese ancestry committed to prison in the entire state of California.” > > [Japanese Earthquake Looters -- MIA | RealClearPolitics](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/03/17/japanese_earthquake_looters_--_mia_109252.html) Except the people who emigrated from China to America around the 50s were the educated elites fleeing from the Chi-coms rather than the uneducated poor ; there was no centuries of endemic racism weighing against them nor resentment should they succeed ; they were not being deliberately pushed into crack and heroin by the CIA in a bid to undercut/discredit the Black Panthers & similar civil rights movements ; nor did the Chinese really \*need \*a civil rights movement on account of there not being segregation policies or Jim Crow laws in effect for them ; the police were not biased against them and so forth. Why don’t you try for a not-false equivalence next time, young padawan ? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/727 "2012-06-04T16:31:34Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > I already answered that. In which post? Sorry if I missed it. > [@](#): > > Now, why aren’t you answering my questions?! Because you are obviously just screwing around. If you have a reasonable, good faith question you wish to ask about a point I have made, feel free to do so. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/728 "2012-06-04T17:35:20Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Except the people who emigrated from China to America around the 50s were the educated elites fleeing from the Chi-coms rather than the uneducated poor ; there was no centuries of endemic racism weighing against them nor resentment should they succeed ; they were not being deliberately pushed into crack and heroin by the CIA in a bid to undercut/discredit the Black Panthers & similar civil rights movements ; nor did the Chinese really \*need \*a civil rights movement on account of there not being segregation policies or Jim Crow laws in effect for them ; the police were not biased against them and so forth. > > Why don’t you try for a not-false equivalence next time, young padawan ? How do you account for this, then? Two low-income areas outside of Boston – South Boston and Roxbury – were featured several years ago in U.S. News & World Report. They had similar socio-economic profiles: high levels of unemployment; the same percentage of children born to single-parent households; and the same percentage of people living in public housing. But the violent crime rate in Roxbury, predominately black, was four times higher than that of South Boston, predominately white. [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/03/17/japanese\_earthquake\_looters\_--\_mia\_109252.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/03/17/japanese_earthquake_looters_--_mia_109252.html) * * * In the United States the per capita gross domestic produce is $48,100; in China it is $8,400; in Egypt it is $6,500; in India it is $3,700. [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=China&countryCode=ch®ionCode=eas&rank=120#ch](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=China&countryCode=ch®ionCode=eas&rank=120#ch) In the United States the yearly murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants is 4.8; in China it is 1.12; in Egypt it is 1.24; in India it is 3.4. > **[List of countries by intentional homicide rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)** > > The list of countries by homicide rate is derived from United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) data, and is expressed in number of deaths per 100,000 population per year. For example, a homicide rate of 30 out of 100,000 is presented in the table as "30", and corresponds to 0.03% of the population dying by homicide. The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary. Only UNODC-vetted data is used in the main table to maintain consistency. In some cases, i Homicide rates ... * * * Poverty is no excuse for crime. It is not even really an explanation. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/729 "2012-06-04T17:51:59Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > In which post? Sorry if I missed it. > > Because you are obviously just screwing around. If you have a reasonable, good faith question you wish to ask about a point I have made, feel free to do so. See? This is what everyone is talking about, **brazil.** You’re so bent up on semantics, like “what’s the meaning of subset / how does that differ from subspecies and dog breeds? What’s the meaning of genetic ideas / what’s the meaning of meaningless?” that your not arguing the points of a post, but instead come off as trying to trap the debater in a incessant game of semantics; the point be damned. It comes off as disingenuous. So of course I was screwing with you, image me replying with that nonsense post after post, never making any forward progress on a discussion, but annoying my opponent until he just gives up out of pointless exasperation. There’s no value in that kind of debate or discussion. So you don’t win an argument or debate by default. You just come across as petty, obsessive, cocksure, disingenuous and insufferable. Here: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15130329&postcount=692](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15130329&postcount=692) ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/730 "2012-06-04T18:00:07Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > See? This is what everyone is talking about, **brazil.** You’re so bent up on semantics, I’m “bent up on semantics” because people on your side of the debate continuously use ambiguous statements and words to create red herrings. For example, when you assert that the “genetic idea of race is meaningless” it sounds on the surface like you may be making a statement which is meaningful and relevant to the Egalitarian Hypothesis. But in actuality, you are not. > [@](#): > > Here: > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15130329&postcount=692](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15130329&postcount=692) I don’t see the part of your post where you answered the question. Can you quote it please? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/731 "2012-06-04T18:07:12Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > …Poverty is no excuse for crime. It is not even really an explanation. Poverty is a _reason_ for crime. _Excuse_ is loaded with the idea that it’s not their fault they chose that course of action, or something forced their hand and this was the best alternative. At least how you’re using it here. But a reason is something that implies causation. It’s common sense to expect more crime in an area where people have so little weath. People of any race or creed are naturally greedy, jealous, petty, and indignant or downright hateful. This is not a race issue. It’s a human and cultural issue. And those that believe it’s due to race will keep generating hate, continuing the cycle ad infinitum; so keep it up there, Jumpin’ Jim Crow. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/732 "2012-06-04T18:10:49Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I’m “bent up on semantics” because people on your side of the debate continuously use ambiguous statements and words to create red herrings. > > For example, when you assert that the “genetic idea of race is meaningless” it sounds on the surface like you may be making a statement which is meaningful and relevant to the Egalitarian Hypothesis. But in actuality, you are not. > > I don’t see the part of your post where you answered the question. Can you quote it please? Jimminey. The second quote in that post. I wasn’t trying to toss in a red herring, it was a genuine grammatical error. Sometimes you have to read between the lines. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/733 "2012-06-04T18:16:19Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > How do you account for this, then? > > Two low-income areas outside of Boston – South Boston and Roxbury – were featured several years ago in U.S. News & World Report. They had similar socio-economic profiles: high levels of unemployment; the same percentage of children born to single-parent households; and the same percentage of people living in public housing. But the violent crime rate in Roxbury, predominately black, was four times higher than that of South Boston, predominately white. > [Japanese Earthquake Looters -- MIA | RealClearPolitics](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/03/17/japanese_earthquake_looters_--_mia_109252.html) NDD- did you miss post 722, in which I pointed out that South Boston and Roxbury are _not at all_ similar, socio-economically speaking? Roxbury is a lot more poor, and quite a bit younger than South Boston. You keep going back to the same well of crappy cites- Lynn’s study used completely insufficient data, and his conclusions are similarly suspect. And this report about Boston neighborhoods is similarly _wrong_. Don’t accept a story just because it supports your opinions… so far pretty much everything you’ve cited is suspect for various reasons. Do you still feel like your “facts” are as strong as you thought they were? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/734 "2012-06-04T18:16:53Z")
My bad **b84,** you were asking about “distributed evenly among all races” in your previous post, it was the same question in the other post, but for ethnicity. :rolleyes: I believe I’ve already made myself clear, over and over, that race and ethnicity have no _real_ genomic basis. So the answer is identical. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/735 "2012-06-04T18:23:08Z")
Furthermore, if Neanderthals still lived among us, I believe we should treat them equally as well, since they’ve been shown to be demonstrably sapient and intelligent; not too far removed from ourselves. Genetics alone don’t even matter among separate species. Empathy and compassion does, wherever we can place it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/736 "2012-06-04T18:30:48Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Furthermore, if Neanderthals still lived among us, I believe we should treat them equally as well, since they’ve been shown to be demonstrably sapient and intelligent; not too far removed from ourselves. [If they were _Homo erectus,_ OTOH, we would have no rational choice but to use them as slaves.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Different_Flesh) ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/737 "2012-06-04T18:31:05Z")
^That is assuming they would capable of being a part of modern society, and capable of empathy and compassion that would reciprocate with today’s moral and ethical codes. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/738 "2012-06-04T18:32:15Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [If they were _Homo erectus,_ OTOH, we would no rational choice but to use them as slaves.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Different_Flesh) I love Turtledove. Never read that one though. But, if the good doctor recommends it… ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/739 "2012-06-04T19:41:42Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > How do you account for this, then? > > Two low-income areas outside of Boston – South Boston and Roxbury – were featured several years ago in U.S. News & World Report. They had similar socio-economic profiles: high levels of unemployment; the same percentage of children born to single-parent households; and the same percentage of people living in public housing. But the violent crime rate in Roxbury, predominately black, was four times higher than that of South Boston, predominately white. > [Japanese Earthquake Looters -- MIA | RealClearPolitics](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/03/17/japanese_earthquake_looters_--_mia_109252.html) I don’t. But see, that’s sort of the thing. I don’t make grand theories explaining everything I don’t know shit about, nor try to explain this or that anecdote. I don’t know shit about shit, and that’s a fact. I know I don’t know shit about shit. That’s why I don’t make racial assertions. Or any assertions, really. I \*do \*know shit assertions, false equivalences and bent logic when I see them, though. I’m a “screw your theory” kinda guy, not a “here’s my theory” kinda guy, savvy ? > [@](#): > > In the United States the per capita gross domestic produce is $48,100; in China it is $8,400; in Egypt it is $6,500; in India it is $3,700. Gosh, it’s almost like first world countries are… no, wait, that can’t be right… richer than third world ones ?! Well blow my ass and call me Sally. > [@](#): > > In the United States the yearly murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants is 4.8; in China it is 1.12; in Egypt it is 1.24; in India it is 3.4. And yet the US has much fewer non-whites than India. And yet Egypt has way _more_ than the US. And yet I wouldn’t trust an official Chinese stat if it fucked my mother and pissed whiskey. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/740 "2012-06-04T19:45:15Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > And yet I wouldn’t trust an official Chinese stat if it fucked my mother and pissed whiskey. Me, I wouldn’t trust a Chinese stat even if it AVOIDED fucking my mother, but ways differ, I guess. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=38)