# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/761 "2012-06-05T01:30:21Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The right wing denial of global warming is similar to the left wing denial of the importance of genetics in human affairs. You are actually right about this, except that still doesn’t make your racism right, because “races” are not the genetically distinct groups you are trying to pretend they are. The global warming equivalent of your position would be to claim that global warming is real (true), therefore humanity will perish when the rising temperatures awake the dinosaur hordes in their hidden caverns (_not_ true). ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/762 "2012-06-05T01:34:50Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I doubt I would bother you so much if you were not afraid that what I say is true. Perhaps it would be best for your peace of mind to ignore me. After all you started this thread. I’m a fucking social worker, asshole. Yeah, I’m pretty annoyed because you work every day to make my job a little bit harder. I pour blood sweat and tears into trying to make this world a better place and you go out of your way to smear everything with your foul-smelling shit. The world is fucked up enough without people like you in it to make everything a little bit worse. Mostly I just started this thread to tell you what a huge pain in the ass you are, and I did that, so I’m pretty satisfied with how things went. I admit to being a little shocked because I just really didn’t honestly know the depths to which a person in this modern age could sink. I guess the joke’s on me. Also, can I get a bumper sticker that says, ''I’m a fucking social worker, asshole"? I don’t think you can be a social worker without being a little bit angry. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/763 "2012-06-05T01:35:04Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Then why is it that racial differences are so persistent? They aren’t, as has been said over and over. They persist only as much as any other cultural construct; you might as well claim that the French keep speaking French because it’s genetic. Take some kid who can “pass for white”, raise them as white, with everyone thinking of him as white and treating him that way and he’ll act just like any other “white guy”. Just as if I adopted a Russian baby she’d grow up speaking English, not Russian. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/764 "2012-06-05T01:37:19Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Then why is it that racial differences are so persistent? They’re not. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/765 "2012-06-05T01:50:25Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > They’re not. Says you. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/766 "2012-06-05T02:07:54Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Says you. And the data. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/767 "2012-06-05T02:30:08Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > And the data. And the biology professors in universities. With their “drizzling” intellect it should be easy for NDD and the brazil nut to convince all institutions of high learning that they are doing it wrong, but somehow\* I do not think our “bright” racist minds here will be successful any time soon. \*Sarcasm up to 11. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/768 "2012-06-05T02:47:37Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Then why is it that racial differences are so persistent? Listen, I’m a geneticist. This is what I do. The types of differences you hold forth as genetically determined differences just do not hold up under close scrutiny. Some traits can be traced through ethnic lines: Ashkenazic Jew do have a higher incidence of Tay-Sachs. Well, so do French Canadians. Northern Europeans tend to be fair skinned. So do some Italians. However, what you’re calling races do not genetically track on complex multifactorial traits like intelligence or lawlessness. There are way too many social confounding factors and the traits are influenced by too many genes for generalizations to be meaningful. And even if there was a nugget of truth, it still wouldn’t matter. Ethnic trends breakdown at the individual. So creating policy or predetermine social outcomes of an individual is not possible to do. Even using your faulty characerizations, if you had random white guy and random black guy you can not predict, by the assumed genetics of their ‘races’ who’d be less intelligent or more crime prone. It’s bad science, bad public policy and bad logic. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/769 "2012-06-05T02:52:38Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Says you. But I actually know what I’m talking about. You, on the other hand, are a moronic dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/770 "2012-06-05T02:58:37Z")
Who ever sold you on the idea that genes are determinative really did you a disservice. You can have two folks with the same genetics and one expresses a trait and one not (look up incomplete penetrance). Or each can have same trait and one gets a mild form, one severe (expressivity). Epigenetics, influenced by maternal or paternal age, womb environment, and a whole host of other situations influence gene expression. So stop. You’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/771 "2012-06-05T03:17:09Z")
NDD’s argument is rather simple. It is: despite the fact that black people are legally no longer discriminated against, they still underperform whites in areas of intelligence, even after so many years. Therefore, the reason has to be genetic. Nothing else he says is at all relevant. That’s his claim. And that’s the one we’ve proven false. The difference doesn’t have to be genetic. It is ridiculous on its face to claim that black people are no longer discriminated against. We have no reason to believe that the effects of legal discrimination for almost 200 years would be undone by, at most, 40. And, here’s the big one: he has yet to cite any non-discredited studies that show that there are genetic differences in intelligence. At least Chief Pedant was willing to admit this, and say it was only a hypothesis. And he at least didn’t use it as a basis to make flat out racist statements like NDD did in the ATMB thread about him. And I note that, even after explaining to **brazil88** that no one has any reason to believe he disagrees with NDD unless he says he disagrees, he has not done so. It is thus my assertion that he agrees with NDD, and I invite him to say otherwise. Assuming he does, my opinion of both is the same. NDD keeps trying to distract us by saying we need to prove that racial disparities don’t exist. We do not. You need to provide citations that genetics causes these disparities. And you can’t, because, here’s the thing, scientist don’t know that, and there have been a lot of studies showing that intelligence is not mostly genetic based. And, finally, I note that the egalitarian hypothesis is not that intelligence is not genetic. The words don’t even mean that. It is that, by treating people as if they were equal, we will create less suffering than if we do not. Read the Wikipedia article on Egalitarianism. Words have meaning–you cannot define them however you want. Call it the anti-racial/genetic intelligence hypothesis if you want people to actually respond to you. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/772 "2012-06-05T03:25:01Z")
I think of all the ridiculous ideas NDD has expressed in his thread, the one that is the most pathetic is the idea that we all secretly agree with him. It’s one thing to express your own racism, but to believe that everybody else lives in your own twisted reality is pretty audacious. I wonder if you are capable of feeling empathy. I wonder how you would feel if someone were saying these things about you. I wonder if you have ever for one second put yourself in the shoes of the people you so callously denigrate. It seems that if nobody can appeal to your (faulty) reason, maybe we can at least appeal to your humanity. But I’m not sure you have any. ---
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/773 "2012-06-05T03:29:21Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I recall that in Australia in the 19th Century, the Socialist Party ran on a xenophobic Chinese-exclusion platform.) . hmm that was about workers’ rights and the illusion that Chinese cheap labor was stealing jobs. Have a chat to your local union and you will still see this attitude every where in just about every country. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/774 "2012-06-05T03:53:48Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > What is irrational about associating races with characteristics that are common among them? The fact that you keep insisting that a wide variety of behaviors have a genetic basis even though you admit no such genes have ever been found. I’d say the reason for this is pretty obvious. If any problems black people experience are genetic in origin, then everyone else is absolved of responsibility. Poverty? Crime? Poor education? Black people aren’t victims of these things. They bring all these problems on themselves. And white people that hate black people or are frightened of black people or just don’t want black people around? They’re not bigots anymore. They’re just responding to the scientific facts. Claiming that there’s a genetic issue absolves you of any responsibility for your prejudices. It’s an excuse to help you feel better about yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/775 "2012-06-05T04:35:21Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > I think of all the ridiculous ideas NDD has expressed in his thread, the one that is the most pathetic is the idea that we all secretly agree with him. It’s one thing to express your own racism, but to believe that everybody else lives in your own twisted reality is pretty audacious. It seems to be a feature of certain fanatics. Some variants of Communism, some extreme feminists, some fundie Christians; they don’t just “know” the Truth, they are certain that _everyone_ secretly agrees with them and is pretending otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/776 "2012-06-05T05:14:49Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > It seems to be a feature of certain fanatics. Some variants of Communism, some extreme feminists, some fundie Christians; they don’t just “know” the Truth, they are certain that _everyone_ secretly agrees with them and is pretending otherwise. “The Catholic and the Communist are alike in assuming that an opponent cannot be both honest and intelligent.” – George Orwell ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/777 "2012-06-05T05:56:29Z")
It’s Ironic that **New Deal Democrat** is a **MAN** (I presume a white male) complaining about black crime rates when violent crime correlates much better with MALENESS than with an artificial designation like race. Especially since there is actually a biological explanation for the aggression (brains of men and women are different and we have different chemical balances…I have never even heard scientific racists claim this to be true about racists)…he has absolutely no explanation or evidence of his racist theories other than “it’s in the genes” (he can’t even begin to name one gene and has had it explained to him that “blacks” have less in common with each other genetically than anyone outside of Africa, so his idiotic racial theories don’t even make sense on the face of it). So why are you so obsessed with skin color instead of males? MALES are the ones ruining the neighborhoods with gangs and crimes like you complain about blacks. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/778 "2012-06-05T06:10:10Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > So why are you so obsessed with skin color instead of males? MALES are the ones ruining the neighborhoods with gangs and crimes like you complain about blacks. [And we know The Solution . . .](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_Damned) ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/779 "2012-06-05T09:01:41Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > I think of all the ridiculous ideas NDD has expressed in his thread, the one that is the most pathetic is the idea that we all secretly agree with him. It’s one thing to express your own racism, but to believe that everybody else lives in your own twisted reality is pretty audacious. > > I wonder if you are capable of feeling empathy. I wonder how you would feel if someone were saying these things about you. I wonder if you have ever for one second put yourself in the shoes of the people you so callously denigrate. It seems that if nobody can appeal to your (faulty) reason, maybe we can at least appeal to your humanity. But I’m not sure you have any. If you had any humanity you would not be throwing insults at me all the time. I do not insult you. If you genuinely disagreed with me you would not be talking about what a horrible person I am. You would calmly demonstrate that blacks behave and perform as well as whites, documenting your assertions. You would prove that since the civil rights movement black rates of crime and illegitimacy declined, while their academic performance improved, thus disproving the assertions of those who since the days of slavery argued that blacks were intrinsically inferior. You would explain how sub Saharan African countries have thrived since independence. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/780 "2012-06-05T09:12:12Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If you genuinely disagreed with me you would not be talking about what a horrible person I am. You would calmly demonstrate that blacks behave and perform as well as whites, documenting your assertions. You would prove that since the civil rights movement black rates of crime and illegitimacy declined, while their academic performance improved, thus disproving the assertions of those who since the days of slavery argued that blacks were intrinsically inferior. You would explain how sub Saharan African countries have thrived since independence. But black academic performance _has_ improved, as I showed before. Sub-Saharan African countries _have_ improved economically (at least most of them), some of them drastically. The data for your assertion is extremely weak (Lynn’s study is crap, as I’ve shown, and the crime stats can’t be trusted). Maybe you’re the one who secretly knows he’s wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=40)