# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/781 "2012-06-05T10:59:38Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If you had any humanity you would not be throwing insults at me all the time. I do not insult you. > > If you genuinely disagreed with me you would not be talking about what a horrible person I am. You would calmly demonstrate that blacks behave and perform as well as whites, documenting your assertions. You would prove that since the civil rights movement black rates of crime and illegitimacy declined, while their academic performance improved, thus disproving the assertions of those who since the days of slavery argued that blacks were intrinsically inferior. You would explain how sub Saharan African countries have thrived since independence. So, you lack both empathy and the ability to support your claims. Good to know. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/782 "2012-06-05T12:10:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Maybe you’re the one who secretly knows he’s wrong. But he knows he’s not wrong, based on his own observations: every time he looks at a black person, he sees an intellectually-inferior criminal. QED. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/783 "2012-06-05T13:27:17Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > So, you lack both empathy and the ability to support your claims. Good to know. Saying that does not make it true. Your only argument is that in a perfect society, which presumably is one controlled by those you like and agree with, racial differences will disappear, and the long deferred hopes that inspired the civil rights movement in the United States and the independence movements in Africa will finally be realized. You have no reason to expect them to be realized, only blind hope and the will to believe. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/784 "2012-06-05T13:28:09Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If you had any humanity you would not be throwing insults at me all the time. I do not insult you. You’re insulting a billion people with your racism. You don’t get to invoke humanity. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/785 "2012-06-05T13:43:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > But black academic performance _has_ improved, as I showed before. Sub-Saharan African countries _have_ improved economically (at least most of them), some of them drastically. > > The data for your assertion is extremely weak (Lynn’s study is crap, as I’ve shown, and the crime stats can’t be trusted). > > Maybe you’re the one who secretly knows he’s wrong. I certainly do trust these crime statistics: [http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm) According to this, the race gap in SAT scores between whites and blacks has grown since the school year of 1990-91. > **[Fast Facts: SAT scores (171)](https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171)** > > The NCES Fast Facts Tool provides quick answers to many education questions (National Center for Education Statistics). Get answers on Early Childhood Education, Elementary and Secondary Education and Higher Education here. The gross domestic product in most sub Saharan countries is growing. [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2003rank.html?countryName=Congo,%20Democratic%20Republic%20of%20the&countryCode=cg®ionCode=afr&rank=32#cg](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2003rank.html?countryName=Congo,%20Democratic%20Republic%20of%20the&countryCode=cg®ionCode=afr&rank=32#cg) But the populations of those countries is growing rapidly. [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2002rank.html?countryName=Angola&countryCode=ao®ionCode=afr&rank=16#ao](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2002rank.html?countryName=Angola&countryCode=ao®ionCode=afr&rank=16#ao) So it is not clear that the average standard of living is increasing. The per capita gross domestic product in most sub Saharan countries remains fairly low. [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=Congo,%20Republic%20of%20the&countryCode=cf®ionCode=afr&rank=156#cf](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=Congo,%20Republic%20of%20the&countryCode=cf®ionCode=afr&rank=156#cf) ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/786 "2012-06-05T13:43:42Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Saying that does not make it true. Your only argument is that in a perfect society, which presumably is one controlled by those you like and agree with, racial differences will disappear, and the long deferred hopes that inspired the civil rights movement in the United States and the independence movements in Africa will finally be realized. You have no reason to expect them to be realized, only blind hope and the will to believe. Wrong- the argument is that racial differences are not as significant and broad as you would believe and using any that do exist determinatively is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/787 "2012-06-05T13:44:33Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You’re insulting a billion people with your racism. You don’t get to invoke humanity. There should never be any taboos against telling the truth. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/788 "2012-06-05T13:52:32Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > There should never be any taboos against telling the truth. I agree. It probably _should_ be taboo to call a mishmash of poorly-informed personal opinions “truth,” though. At the very least it should be roundly criticized, which is what you see happening. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/789 "2012-06-05T13:53:37Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > There should never be any taboos against telling the truth. At least it may be exciting if you ever give it a try. Let’s find out! ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/790 "2012-06-05T13:54:45Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > There should never be any taboos against telling the truth. Also, I am lavish in my praise of Orientals. They are fine people: high IQs, low rates of crime and illegitimacy, ancient and accomplished civilizations. What’s not to like about them? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/791 "2012-06-05T13:56:14Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > At least it may be exciting if you ever give it a try. Let’s find out! I nearly always document my factual assertions with credible sources, like FBI crime statistics, and the CIA World Factbook. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/792 "2012-06-05T14:02:26Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I agree. It probably _should_ be taboo to call a mishmash of poorly-informed personal opinions “truth,” though. At the very least it should be roundly criticized, which is what you see happening. I nearly always document my factual assertions. All you can to is talk about the horrible person I am. Actually, the facts I post are horrible, but they are facts. You find safety in numbers by lining up and throwing insults at me. Wouldn’t it be interesting if half the people here agreed with me, and you were actually expected to substantiate your assertions the way I do? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/793 "2012-06-05T14:14:38Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I certainly do trust these crime statistics: > > [http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm) Which say nothing about any “behavioral tendencies”- they don’t account for large economic disparities, and they obviously don’t account for the very significant historical bias in the justice system against black people. > [@](#): > > According to this, the race gap in SAT scores between whites and blacks has grown since the school year of 1990-91. > > [Fast Facts: SAT scores (171)](http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171) And the NAEP study shows that the test score gap has shrunk since the 70s. Why is your data “better” than mine? > [@](#): > > The gross domestic product in most sub Saharan countries is growing. > > [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2003rank.html?countryName=Congo,%20Democratic%20Republic%20of%20the&countryCode=cg®ionCode=afr&rank=32#cg](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2003rank.html?countryName=Congo,%20Democratic%20Republic%20of%20the&countryCode=cg®ionCode=afr&rank=32#cg) > > But the populations of those countries is growing rapidly. > > [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2002rank.html?countryName=Angola&countryCode=ao®ionCode=afr&rank=16#ao](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2002rank.html?countryName=Angola&countryCode=ao®ionCode=afr&rank=16#ao) > > So it is not clear that the average standard of living is increasing. The per capita gross domestic product in most sub Saharan countries remains fairly low. > > [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=Congo,%20Republic%20of%20the&countryCode=cf®ionCode=afr&rank=156#cf](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=Congo,%20Republic%20of%20the&countryCode=cf®ionCode=afr&rank=156#cf) This part is not hard. Have African countries, in general, experienced decent per-capita GDP growth? [Yes.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(real)_per_capita_growth_rate) And the poorest among them often achieved the highest growth rates. Standards of living in Africa have improved, in some cases drastically. You continue to cherry pick data that supports your argument- and the data you cherry pick is still pretty weak. Lynn’s study is extremely weak. The crime stats don’t come close to telling the whole story (such as why Central American countries have the highest crime rates of all). And economic data generally shows the opposite of what you think it does. Face it, your opinion has another source besides “facts” and “data”. Perhaps, with some introspection, you might find the real reason for it. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/794 "2012-06-05T14:19:50Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I nearly always document my factual assertions. All you can to is talk about the horrible person I am. Actually, the facts I post are horrible, but they are facts. > > You find safety in numbers by lining up and throwing insults at me. Wouldn’t it be interesting if half the people here agreed with me, and you were actually expected to substantiate your assertions the way I do? Two points: I’m not sure whether you’re a horrible person. You certainly have some repulsive ideas, but I suspect they’re the result of your being a sad and frightened person in real life, rather than innately evil. I also think you’re probably exaggerating the base offensiveness of your statements because it gets you attention, albeit negative, which is better than no attention at all (which is likely what you got before you became an outspoken racist zealot). In other words, I don’t think it’s genetic. Second point: if half the people on the board agreed with you, I’d know we had been overrun by trolls from Stormfront or a similar board. I’d expect the mods to find a way to clean up the mess, and if we remained a board where 50% of the posters were virulent racists I’d probably retire fairly quickly. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/795 "2012-06-05T14:26:55Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Also, I am lavish in my praise of Orientals. They are fine people: high IQs, low rates of crime and illegitimacy, ancient and accomplished civilizations. What’s not to like about them? Because even positive stereotypes are dangerous. You are still painting individual people with generalized traits, which devalues the individual. By hiding behind “positive traits”, which on the surface seems palatable, gives legitimacy to negative stereotypes. Racial traits, whether positive or negative, are not so genetically defined to make them useful for drawing global or individual conclusions about people from said ethnic grouping. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/796 "2012-06-05T14:35:22Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Two points: I’m not sure whether you’re a horrible person. You certainly have some repulsive ideas, but I suspect they’re the result of your being a sad and frightened person in real life, rather than innately evil. The sense I get is of someone who’s just dumb. NDD barrels ahead with the three references he has and can’t really grasp much else. The subtleties of the scientific method (including the very fundamental point that you should not trust anything that purports to be science that was published first in book form and never as a journal.) NDD’s outlook on this matter is excessively simplistic; some guy said black people are stupid, black people don’t do as well as white people generally, so black people are stupid. The incredible complexity of the matter is beyond him so it has to be ignored; that’s how stupid people deal with things. For that matter,\*\* it’s how any ignorant person deals with anything\*\*; I am not stupid but I certainly am ignorant of, say, automotive mechanics, and my way of dealing with that is to simply identify a trustworthy authority - my mechanic - to do the thinking for me. NDD has, unfortunately, chosen a charlatan to do his thinking for him. That was a mistake we aren’t going to reason him out of because the explanation for why Philippe Rushton’s a charlatan is really, really complex, and deals not only with genetics, statistics, psychology, sociology, history, and geography, but with the personal history and motivations of Philippe Rushton himself. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/797 "2012-06-05T14:44:37Z")
Well now… how would you explain this? > [@](#): > > ``` > Data showing that the Japanese had higher I.Q.s than people of European descent, for example, prompted the British psychometrician and eugenicist Richard Lynn to concoct an elaborate evolutionary explanation involving the Himalayas, really cold weather, premodern hunting practices, brain size, and specialized vowel sounds. The fact that the I.Q.s of Chinese-Americans also seemed to be elevated has led I.Q. fundamentalists to posit the existence of an international I.Q. pyramid, with Asians at the top, European whites next, and Hispanics and blacks at the bottom. > > Here was a question tailor-made for James Flynn's accounting skills. He looked first at Lynn's data, and realized that the comparison was skewed. Lynn was comparing American I.Q. estimates based on a representative sample of schoolchildren with Japanese estimates based on an upper-income, heavily urban sample. Recalculated, the Japanese average came in not at 106.6 but at 99.2. Then Flynn turned his attention to the Chinese-American estimates. They turned out to be based on a 1975 study in San Francisco's Chinatown using something called the Lorge-Thorndike Intelligence Test. But the Lorge-Thorndike test was normed in the nineteen-fifties. For children in the nineteen-seventies, it would have been a piece of cake. When the Chinese-American scores were reassessed using up-to-date intelligence metrics, Flynn found, they came in at 97 verbal and 100 nonverbal. Chinese-Americans had slightly lower I.Q.s than white Americans. (Gladwell 2007) > > ``` From [IQ and race - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com](http://www.skepdic.com/iqrace.html) ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/798 "2012-06-05T15:05:40Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I nearly always document my factual assertions with credible sources, like FBI crime statistics, and the CIA World Factbook. Yet you’ve studiously avoided answering my questions about problems with your cites, abd I’m certainly not unique in that. Just because you point to someone or something else does not mean you are speaking truth. You must know this. I hope. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/799 "2012-06-05T15:35:28Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Saying that does not make it true. Your only argument is that in a perfect society, which presumably is one controlled by those you like and agree with, racial differences will disappear, and the long deferred hopes that inspired the civil rights movement in the United States and the independence movements in Africa will finally be realized. You have no reason to expect them to be realized, only blind hope and the will to believe. I don’t like being angry. I don’t like being filled with negativity. I don’t like lashing out at other people. Believe it or not, as much as I disagree with you, I would help you if you were in need. I believe in the inherent worth and dignity of all people. I was going to come in here and apologize for the insults, despite the fact that I abhor your opinions and find your grasp of reason to be profoundly lacking. I just can’t bring myself to do it. You do so much harm to the world. I don’t know why you’re so obsessed with race. It’s bizarre. I have to believe this comes from a place of deep hurt within you, because there is surely no rational reason why anyone would dedicate their lives to denigrating others. Your existence causes me real anguish. I feel like I need a shower every time I speak to you. I hope you find a more constructive subject to devote your time and attention to. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/800 "2012-06-05T15:45:38Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Yet you’ve studiously avoided answering my questions about problems with your cites Based on his posts, it’s clear that he barely understands his own cites. He doesn’t read past the synopsis, and often gets that wrong too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=41)