# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/861 "2012-06-06T11:49:18Z")
I rather think we should start selling tickets to the 'tard off, myself. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/862 "2012-06-06T11:59:09Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > A mindless robotic white supremacist racist engaging in back and forth with a mindless robotic climate change denier? Those of you who shout “Racist!” at me and want me to be banned are mindless. You have nothing behind your prejudices but hot air. I substantiate my assertions with well documented facts. Members of the different races tend to perform differently on all of the mental aptitude tests however they are designed. They tend to perform differently in the classroom and on the job. They have significantly different crime rates and different rates of illegitimacy. I am not a mindless robot for pointing that out. It simply happens to be true. These are racial characteristics. Because they have always existed, and because they exist everywhere, they are almost certainly biological differences. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/863 "2012-06-06T12:04:47Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Just shut the fuck up and read the book, racist. When someone tells me to read something I know I have won the argument. What the person tells me is, “I can’t answer answer your arguments, but the author of this book can.” If the book is so conclusive the person telling me to read it should read it, and convey the argument in it. If the person cannot do that, the person does not understand the argument. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/864 "2012-06-06T12:05:43Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Those of you who shout “Racist!” at me and want me to be banned are mindless. You have nothing behind your prejudices but hot air. I substantiate my assertions with well documented facts. > > Members of the different races tend to perform differently on all of the mental aptitude tests however they are designed. They tend to perform differently in the classroom and on the job. They have significantly different crime rates and different rates of illegitimacy. I am not a mindless robot for pointing that out. It simply happens to be true. > > These are racial characteristics. Because they have always existed, and because they exist everywhere, they are almost certainly biological differences. Those are not “well-documented facts”, those are “more assertions” supported by confirmation bias and circular reasoning. Plenty of actual peer-reviewed science has been presented to you to debunk your various points and you have just ignored it or handwaved it away. And the most fundamental problem with your entire argument is that the “races” you keep mentioning do not actually exist as genetic groupings. They really don’t, and this has already been demonstrated to you. And if they don’t, the entire rest of your argument fails. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/865 "2012-06-06T12:12:51Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Those of you who shout “Racist!” at me and want me to be banned are mindless. You have nothing behind your prejudices but hot air. I substantiate my assertions with well documented facts. > > Members of the different races tend to perform differently on all of the mental aptitude tests however they are designed. They tend to perform differently in the classroom and on the job. They have significantly different crime rates and different rates of illegitimacy. I am not a mindless robot for pointing that out. It simply happens to be true. > > These are racial characteristics. Because they have always existed, and because they exist everywhere, they are almost certainly biological differences. I posted this near the bottom of a page a bit ago, so could you make a comment or are you going to blow it off again? I added a little more to the quote. > [@](#): > > ``` > Data showing that the Japanese had higher I.Q.s than people of European descent, for example, prompted the British psychometrician and eugenicist Richard Lynn to concoct an elaborate evolutionary explanation involving the Himalayas, really cold weather, premodern hunting practices, brain size, and specialized vowel sounds. The fact that the I.Q.s of Chinese-Americans also seemed to be elevated has led I.Q. fundamentalists to posit the existence of an international I.Q. pyramid, with Asians at the top, European whites next, and Hispanics and blacks at the bottom. > > Here was a question tailor-made for James Flynn's accounting skills. He looked first at Lynn's data, and realized that the comparison was skewed. Lynn was comparing American I.Q. estimates based on a representative sample of schoolchildren with Japanese estimates based on an upper-income, heavily urban sample. Recalculated, the Japanese average came in not at 106.6 but at 99.2. Then Flynn turned his attention to the Chinese-American estimates. They turned out to be based on a 1975 study in San Francisco's Chinatown using something called the Lorge-Thorndike Intelligence Test. But the Lorge-Thorndike test was normed in the nineteen-fifties. For children in the nineteen-seventies, it would have been a piece of cake. When the Chinese-American scores were reassessed using up-to-date intelligence metrics, Flynn found, they came in at 97 verbal and 100 nonverbal. Chinese-Americans had slightly lower I.Q.s than white Americans. (Gladwell 2007) > > ``` > **[IQ and race - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com](https://www.skepdic.com/iqrace.html)** ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/866 "2012-06-06T12:12:58Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > When someone tells me to read something I know I have won the argument. What the person tells me is, “I can’t answer answer your arguments, but the author of this book can.” If the book is so conclusive the person telling me to read it should read it, and convey the argument in it. If the person cannot do that, the person does not understand the argument. When someone claims to have won the argument, I know that I’m in the presence of a remarkably deluded douchebag. As you’ve demonstrated ad nauseam, one can also be completely ignorant of all facts while advancing an argument, yet still point to books that are likewise full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/867 "2012-06-06T12:14:34Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > When someone tells me to read something I know I have won the argument. What the person tells me is, “I can’t answer answer your arguments, but the author of this book can.” If the book is so conclusive the person telling me to read it should read it, and convey the argument in it. If the person cannot do that, the person does not understand the argument. Because you don’t want to know any truths, you just want to push your racist agenda. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/868 "2012-06-06T12:16:15Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Those of you who shout “Racist!” at me and want me to be banned are mindless. Agree. > [@](#): > > What the person tells me is, “I can’t answer answer your arguments, but the author of this book can.” If the book is so conclusive the person telling me to read it should read it, and convey the argument in it. If the person cannot do that, the person does not understand the argument. Totally agree. > [@Gyrate](#): > > Plenty of actual peer-reviewed science has been presented to you to debunk your various points and you have just ignored it or handwaved it away. In your view, what is the strongest scientific paper which supports the Egalitarian Hypothesis? > [@](#): > > And the most fundamental problem with your entire argument is that the “races” you keep mentioning do not actually exist as genetic groupings If you scrutinize this claim, it becomes clear that it is a meaningless red herring. What are your criteria for determining whether a group “exists as a genetic grouping”? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/869 "2012-06-06T12:21:40Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Those are not “well-documented facts”, those are “more assertions” supported by confirmation bias and circular reasoning. Plenty of actual peer-reviewed science has been presented to you to debunk your various points and you have just ignored it or handwaved it away. > > And the most fundamental problem with your entire argument is that the “races” you keep mentioning do not actually exist as genetic groupings. They really don’t, and this has already been demonstrated to you. And if they don’t, the entire rest of your argument fails. We’ve been through this before, but let’s do it again. The race gap in SAT scores is increasing. > **[Fast Facts: SAT scores (171)](https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171)** > > The NCES Fast Facts Tool provides quick answers to many education questions (National Center for Education Statistics). Get answers on Early Childhood Education, Elementary and Secondary Education and Higher Education here. In 2005, [murder] rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites. [http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm) There is a strong correlation between a country’s murder rate and the racial composition of that country. > **[List of countries by intentional homicide rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)** > > The list of countries by homicide rate is derived from United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) data, and is expressed in number of deaths per 100,000 population per year. For example, a homicide rate of 30 out of 100,000 is presented in the table as "30", and corresponds to 0.03% of the population dying by homicide. The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary. Only UNODC-vetted data is used in the main table to maintain consistency. In some cases, i Homicide rates ... The only countries where school children outperform American school children are countries were nearly everyone is white or Oriental. > **[Who's No. 1? Finland, Japan and Korea, Says OECD Education Study - Site...](https://siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm)** > > Who's No. 1? Finland, Japan and Korea, Says OECD Education Study Race is a meaningful concept because the races differ not only cosmetically, but in average aptitude levels and behavior. These in turn can be explained by different population pressures lasting for hundreds and thousands of years. In China men who were intelligent enough to pass the imperial exams had several wives and many children. This explains why Chinese have high average IQs, and tend to perform well in American schools. In Africa the best hunters and warriors had the most wives. Consequently, the best killers had the most children. This explains the high murder rate, which is a black characteristic everywhere blacks live. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/870 "2012-06-06T12:25:20Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > In your view, what is the strongest scientific paper which supports the Egalitarian Hypothesis? And how does that scientific paper support the Equalitarian Hypothesis? Where is the evidence for intrinsic genetic equality between individuals and races? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/871 "2012-06-06T12:30:05Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > I posted this near the bottom of a page a bit ago, so could you make a comment or are you going to blow it off again? I added a little more to the quote. > > [IQ and race - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com](http://www.skepdic.com/iqrace.html) I have pointed out on several occasions with websites I tire of re posting that Orientals score better on the mathematics part of the SAT than any other racial group, that they are closing the gap with whites in reading, and that their children perform better than ours in school in Oriental countries. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/872 "2012-06-06T12:33:02Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > We’ve been through this before, but let’s do it again. > > The race gap in SAT scores is increasing. > [Fast Facts: SAT scores (171)](http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171) > > In 2005, [murder] rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites. > [http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm) > > There is a strong correlation between a country’s murder rate and the racial composition of that country. > [List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) > > The only countries where school children outperform American school children are countries were nearly everyone is white or Oriental. > [Who's No. 1? Finland, Japan and Korea, Says OECD Education Study - Site Selection Online Insider](http://siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm) > > Race is a meaningful concept because the races differ not only cosmetically, but in average aptitude levels and behavior. These in turn can be explained by different population pressures lasting for hundreds and thousands of years. > > In China men who were intelligent enough to pass the imperial exams had several wives and many children. This explains why Chinese have high average IQs, and tend to perform well in American schools. > > In Africa the best hunters and warriors had the most wives. Consequently, the best killers had the most children. This explains the high murder rate, which is a black characteristic everywhere blacks live. Why should we do it again? We’ve done it once and you simply ignored all evidence that you are patently incorrect and your references are for shit. You’ve revealed yourself to be a crazyperson with a racist agenda. I don’t want you to be banned, but there’s no point in engaging you further and you can’t stop talking about your racist philosophies in multiple threads. I would prefer, given this, that you banned yourself. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/873 "2012-06-06T12:35:44Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > And how does that scientific paper support the Equalitarian Hypothesis? Where is the evidence for intrinsic genetic equality between individuals and races? Let’s not forget the Equestrian Hypothesis, which states that you and **84** are full of horseshit, and for which we and for which we are fortunate to have a great deal of direct evidence. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/874 "2012-06-06T12:48:13Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > When someone tells me to read something I know I have won the argument. Says the never-ending book-citer. Or maybe _you’re_ just crap at conveying Rushton’s arguments. > [@](#): > > What the person tells me is, “I can’t answer answer your arguments, but the author of this book can.” If the book is so conclusive the person telling me to read it should read it, and convey the argument in it. If the person cannot do that, the person does not understand the argument. I conveyed the argument - 2nd generation Jewish-American immigrants prospered because of a combination of culture AND timing. There’s a reason that _particular_ generation of immigrants succeeded, in _particular_ fields, and it’s the same reason Canadian Hockey players are overwhelmingly born in the beginning of the year. Genetics doesn’t come into it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/875 "2012-06-06T12:51:15Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > In your view, what is the strongest scientific paper which supports the Egalitarian Hypothesis? Since I’ve never said anything about the Egalitarian Hypothesis ever, I have no idea. And no idea what this has to do with anything I’ve said. > [@](#): > > If you scrutinize this claim, it becomes clear that it is a meaningless red herring. Keep waving those hands; the breeze is nice. Actually, this claim is the crux of the argument. If racial groups as **NDD** believes them to exist do not exist, then his claims about those groups are meaningless. It’s a basic premise of his thesis. > [@](#): > > What are your criteria for determining whether a group “exists as a genetic grouping”? Groups with common or related genotypes. There is simply no evidence for assuming that the entirety of humanity can be lumped into four big racial groups which have some some of meaningful genetic link, any more than there is for assuming that the entirety of humanity can be lumped into twelve big personality types based on what star sign they were born under. We’ve already discussed ad nauseum about the level of genetic diversity in sub-Saharan Africa and yet he continues to claim that one can make judgments about the genetic predispositions of “blacks” as if they were all the same. > [@New Deal Democrat](#): > > We’ve been through this before, but let’s do it again. Yes we have, and you’ve ignored all evidence to the contrary. Do you really need me to go back through this thread and repost all the links and argument you’ve blithely ignored? Tell me now, because if you’re just going to ignore them again I’ve got better things to do. Yes, I’ve seen your list of unsupported hypotheses. At no point have you even come close to demonstrating a genetic component for any differences between populations other than to either post some data that shows a difference and then assume that it’s genetic, or to posit some rather bizarre theories about rapid evolutionary change that read like cultural Lamarckism. You beg the question mercilessly and you support it with truthiness. Your efforts owe nothing to the scientific method and everything to a desperate need to pretend that the only reason people don’t agree with you is that they’re clinging to blind dogma. Well, I can’t reason you out of a position you haven’t reasoned yourself into, including the bizarre view that your position is somehow reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/876 "2012-06-06T12:59:36Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have pointed out on several occasions with websites I tire of re posting that Orientals score better on the mathematics part of the SAT than any other racial group, that they are closing the gap with whites in reading, and that their children perform better than ours in school in Oriental countries. And my cite said that the data from your cite was skewed and that your “Orientals” did not outperform as you seem to enjoy saying. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/877 "2012-06-06T13:06:52Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > And my cite said that the data from your cite was skewed and that your “Orientals” did not outperform as you seem to enjoy saying. Cite fight! Cite fight! \ ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/878 "2012-06-06T13:16:50Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > We’ve been through this before, but let’s do it again. > > The race gap in SAT scores is increasing. > [Fast Facts: SAT scores (171)](http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171) Yes, we’ve been through this before. And all of these have been explained or debunked. You say we’re ignoring the evidence. But you’re ignoring any data that contradicts your opinion. The “race gap” in other test scores is decreasing, according to the NAEP. Why is the SAT score so important- especially when not all students take it? > [@](#): > > In 2005, [murder] rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites. > [http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm) > > There is a strong correlation between a country’s murder rate and the racial composition of that country. > [List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) And the justice system has shown great historical bias. And as to your second statement- why do Central American countries have some of the highest murder rates (higher than most African countries)? And why should we trust crime statistics for non-democratic countries like China that are notorious for suppressing “distasteful” data? > [@](#): > > The only countries where school children outperform American school children are countries were nearly everyone is white or Oriental. > [Who's No. 1? Finland, Japan and Korea, Says OECD Education Study - Site Selection Online Insider](http://siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm) And these are generally wealthy countries. Wealthier countries have always had better education systems. What does this look like when you control for wealth? And what about the incredible success of Nigerian immigrants to America? I’m sure you’ll hand-wave this away- after all, if data goes against your opinion, it can’t be your opinion that’s wrong, can it? > [@](#): > > Race is a meaningful concept because the races differ not only cosmetically, but in average aptitude levels and behavior. These in turn can be explained by different population pressures lasting for hundreds and thousands of years. > > In China men who were intelligent enough to pass the imperial exams had several wives and many children. This explains why Chinese have high average IQs, and tend to perform well in American schools. > > In Africa the best hunters and warriors had the most wives. Consequently, the best killers had the most children. This explains the high murder rate, which is a black characteristic everywhere blacks live. You’ve made all the “facts” in these paragraphs up. The China exam system “hypothesis” has no supporting data. The African “hunter-warrior” hypothesis has no supporting data. Every place with a high crime rate also has less wealth, with some variation- the “strangest” being that Central American countries, with higher incomes than most sub-Saharan African countries, also have higher murder rates. And the thing that you’ve consistently, constantly ignored: the genetic diversity in Africa. Once again- there are populations in sub-Saharan Africa that are closer, genetically speaking, to “caucasian” populations than they are to other far-flung African populations. If group B is closer, genetically, to group A than to group C, how does it make any sense whatsoever to say group B and C (who happen to both have black skin, and hail from sub-Saharan Africa) together in the same race? Are you ever going to answer this? You keep going back to the same tainted well- none of your “evidence” is very good. I’m glad you’ve stopped referencing the Lynn book- it was obviously crap. But the rest of your cites are weak as well, for various reasons. I wonder if it’s even crossed your mind that your opinions might be wrong? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/879 "2012-06-06T13:19:03Z")
It comes to this, NDD. You claim that “blacks”, as in sub-Saharan Africans, have lower intelligence and higher propensities for violence. Over and over, we’ve demonstrated that it makes no sense, genetically speaking, to separate sub-Saharan Africans from other humans as a group. You’ve provided no response to this. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/880 "2012-06-06T13:25:08Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Cite fight! Cite fight! > > \ He just gets on my nerves with his crap. I had no intention to get involved here but I ran across my cite which specifically mentioned a cite I remembered him using and debunking it. He’ll handwave it away because it doesn’t conform to his views. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=45)