# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/941 "2012-06-06T17:53:49Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That’s my whole point- that “race” is not a useful genetic grouping. There are useful genetic groupings (for example- San, or Papuan, or Han Chinese). But “race” is not one of them. Then what is the genetic marker which distinguishes Han Chinese from non-Han Chinese? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/942 "2012-06-06T17:56:04Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Then what is the genetic marker which distinguishes Han Chinese from non-Han Chinese? Marker X279-AH2$3-BB@. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/943 "2012-06-06T17:56:04Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I would say not, especially if the solution is expensive and politically unpopular. “expensive and politically unpopular” is born by society at large. Extra research funding is concentrated among a select few. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/944 "2012-06-06T17:56:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Look at figure 1 [here](http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reich/Reich_Lab/Welcome_files/2010_Nature_Denisova_Genome.pdf): Nigerians/Yoruba are closer to Chinese and the French, genetically, than to the San of south-eastern Africa. Figure 1 | A neighbour-joining tree based on pairwise autosomal DNA sequence divergences for five ancient and five present-day hominins. Vindija 33.16, Vindija 33.25 and Vindija 33.26 refer to the catalogue numbers of the Neanderthal bones. [http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reich/Reich\_Lab/Welcome\_files/2010\_Nature\_Denisova\_Genome.pdf](http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reich/Reich_Lab/Welcome_files/2010_Nature_Denisova_Genome.pdf) Figure one distinguishes between five modern races and five extinct races. I am not sure what your point is. The Yoruba and the San are far more similar in average intelligence than either is to the French and the Chinese. In terms of genetic similarities and lineage the Australian aborigines are most dissimilar to African Negroes, but they look most similar, and have even lower average IQs. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/945 "2012-06-06T17:57:06Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Marker X279-AH2$3-BB@. I’m seriously skeptical of this claim. Do you have a cite? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/946 "2012-06-06T17:57:51Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I’m seriously skeptical of this claim. Do you have a cite? Nope. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/947 "2012-06-06T17:59:01Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > “expensive and politically unpopular” is born by society at large. Extra research funding is concentrated among a select few. Considerations about what is expensive and politically unpopular certainly does effect the considerations of elected officials. I am confident that Republican politicians would rather fund research that discredits global warming than research that finds it is a problem. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/948 "2012-06-06T18:02:18Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I am not sure what your point is. My point is that it’s ridiculous to group sub-Saharan Africans together, genetically, because some are closer with non-sub-Saharan Africans than to other Africans. Do you really not get my point? You’re saying “blacks” are a race. You’re implying that their genetic ancestry gives them behavioral characteristics than separate them from non-“blacks”. I’m saying that “blacks” are not a race (genetically speaking), and therefore they _cannot_ share DNA that separates them from non-“blacks”. > [@](#): > > The Yoruba and the San are far more similar in average intelligence than either is to the French and the Chinese. You have absolutely zero evidence of this. You actually have intelligence testing for San peoples? And detailed intelligence testing for Yoruba, which is an absolutely _immense_ amount of people? And this intelligence testing is cross-correlated with genetic information, so that you know that the “Yoruba” data was _just_ for Yoruba (ancestry), and the “San” data was _just_ for San (ancestry)? Show me. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/949 "2012-06-06T18:04:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Nope. I did a Google search for “X279-AH2$3-BB@” and found nothing. I suspect you are a liar, but I will start a thread in GQ about it and see. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/950 "2012-06-06T18:06:49Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Considerations about what is expensive and politically unpopular certainly does effect the considerations of elected officials. I am confident that Republican politicians would rather fund research that discredits global warming than research that finds it is a problem. Well we are talking about individual researchers. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/951 "2012-06-06T18:11:19Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I did a Google search for “X279-AH2$3-BB@” and found nothing. > > I suspect you are a liar, but I will start a thread in GQ about it and see. It’s a whoosh, you idiot. :rolleyes: Look up “Han Chinese” on wikipedia and you’ll get some basic genetic information. Schoolchildren could do this better than you. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/952 "2012-06-06T18:17:42Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You have absolutely zero evidence of this. You actually have intelligence testing for San peoples? And detailed intelligence testing for Yoruba, which is an absolutely _immense_ amount of people? And this intelligence testing is cross-correlated with genetic information, so that you know that the “Yoruba” data was _just_ for Yoruba (ancestry), and the “San” data was _just_ for San (ancestry)? Show me. According to Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis, by Richard Lynn, which you reject for ideological reasons, the San have an average IQ of 54. That places them even below African Negroes, who are below American Negroes, who are below white gentiles, who are below Orientals, who are below Ashkenazi Jews. > **[Race Differences in Intelligence (book)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_Differences_in_Intelligence_(book))** > > Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis is a 2006 book by controversial race and intelligence writer Richard Lynn. The book reviews selected literature on IQ testing and argues that genetic racial differences exist, with a discussion of the causes and consequences. Reviews of the book fault the selection of data used, the methodology, and the conclusions drawn from the data, resulting in criticism that it is "the sort of book that gives IQ testing a bad name." > As with Lynn'... ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/953 "2012-06-06T18:22:29Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > According to Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis, by Richard Lynn, which you reject for ideological reasons, the San have an average IQ of 54. Nope. It’s rejected because it doesn’t even pass the test of common sense. An entire group of people with an average IQ of 54 can’t function as a society, much less figure out how to put on clothes or find food for themselves. How many people with an IQ of 54 have you met? They aren’t going to persist for a year, much less the thousands of years the San have been around. It’s frustrating as hell that you don’t have enough brainpower to figure this out for yourself. An average IQ of 54 across an entire extent society doesn’t make any damned sense. It’s like saying you’ve calculated pi to be 4. And if their shoddy number crunching produced it, you shouldn’t automatically accept it as true because it fits your preconceived notions. Rather, you should be questioning the methodology that produces fucking idiotic results. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/954 "2012-06-06T18:23:28Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > According to Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis, by Richard Lynn, which you reject for ideological reasons, the San have an average IQ of 54. That places them even below African Negroes, who are below American Negroes, who are below white gentiles, who are below Orientals, who are below Ashkenazi Jews. > > [Race Differences in Intelligence (book) - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_Differences_in_Intelligence_(book)) You’re really going back to this well? I didn’t reject it for “ideological reasons”, I rejected it because Lynn made most of the data up. Lynn had no data from the San. He completely made it up, just like he made up data for more than half of the countries he discussed. And the data he did have was awfully weak for many of the countries- like the one test of forty 10-14 year olds he “extrapolated” for a whole country. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/955 "2012-06-06T19:08:24Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > According to Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis, by Richard Lynn, which you reject for ideological reasons, the San have an average IQ of 54. That places them even below African Negroes, who are below American Negroes, who are below white gentiles, who are below Orientals, who are below Ashkenazi Jews. > > [Race Differences in Intelligence (book) - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_Differences_in_Intelligence_(book)) Ummm… if you remember, I posted a link discrediting Lynn’s research as fatally flawed in this very thread. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/956 "2012-06-06T19:11:58Z")
This is really beginning to resemble a shitty Hanna-Barbera cartoon\*. I keep seeing the same goddamn rock and tree go past. \*\* i.e. “ **any** Hanna-Barbera cartoon”\* ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/957 "2012-06-06T19:17:48Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > It’s a whoosh, you idiot. :rolleyes: Umm, the idiot is **iiandyiiii**. His argument is completely self-contradictory and he would rather make stuff up than admit it and try to learn something. > [@](#): > > Look up “Han Chinese” on wikipedia and you’ll get some basic genetic information. Ummm, are you claiming that there is a genetic marker which distinguishes Han Chinese from non-Han Chinese? > [@](#): > > Schoolchildren could do this better than you. Of course – since **andy** ’s game is self-deception. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/958 "2012-06-06T19:53:05Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Of course – since **andy** ’s game is self-deception. Self-deception? Well, a little while ago I did convince myself that my belt was actually shrinking. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/959 "2012-06-06T20:14:14Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Ummm… if you remember, I posted a link discrediting Lynn’s research as fatally flawed in this very thread. As far as I know Lynn’s research is the only that has been done on this important topic. He probably made mistakes. Until more research is done he will be the authority on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/960 "2012-06-06T20:22:04Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > As far as I know Lynn’s research is the only that has been done on this important topic. He probably made mistakes. Until more research is done he will be the authority on the subject. That’s not how science works. His research was awful. He made up data. He doesn’t get to be the “authority” after making up data. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=49)