# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1081 "2012-06-08T01:22:57Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I get it, but it seems like you are changing your position. No, you disgusting piece of racist filth. You’ve just been too blinded by your own stupidity to actually understand anybody else. Try reading for comprehension without your idiot glasses on. > [@brazil84](#): > > If I were a scientific researcher and I wanted to divide up the people in the world for genetic study it may very well make sense to use different groups besides the traditional Caucasian/Mongoloid/Negroid/Australoid distinctions. But so what? > > It doesn’t change the facts that (1) there are groups out there which are commonly referred to as black, white, asian, etc; (2) the group known as black displays less intelligence than whites; and (3) the reason for this gap is in large part genetic. And here I thought you “got it”. I guess not. The WHOLE POINT is that you haven’t shown that the common groupings called white, black, and asian exist on a meaningful genetic basis. Define “black” on a genetic basis. That was the point of my example (which you’ve clearly missed). My distance from New York to other countries was supposed to be instructive on this point. Grouping “New York” with “Australian” as both being “English-speakers” is socially/genetically as useful as trying to group “Khoi/San” and “Bantu” as being “black”. Further, since nobody has shown such a genetic basis, it’s not possible that you could have shown how such a nonexistent basis could be correlated with intelligence. You’re jumping ahead to step 100 (i.e. “blacks are less intelligent than white”) before you’ve even done step 5 (“the genetic basis for differentiation between black and white”). Try and keep up, eh? > [@brazil84](#): > > I do not engage with people who weasel (i.e. misrepresent their own position) or strawman (misrepresent my position). You have done both by falsely asserting that I had misstated your position. > > Goodbye, liar. He really hasn’t, but I guess you lack the reading comprehension to get that. I understand that feeling. You’ve ignored or misread evidence throughout this thread. Reasoning with you is worthless. GIGO, indeed. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1082 "2012-06-08T01:24:17Z")
Oooooh, he layed the SMACKDOWN!!! ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1083 "2012-06-08T01:24:34Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > It means you’re either being deliberately obtuse or that English is not your first language or that you’re dumber than dirt. I was asking about someone else’s position – not yours. Do you agree with everything **Antibob** has said in the last 100 posts or so? > [@](#): > > Okay, since I’m only a little smarter than dirt I’ll try to explain. You cannot take everyone you want to label black and lump them in a big group and as a whole differentiate them from people you want to label white. > > Why you ask? Because many subgroupings of blacks are genetically more different from each other than they are from the whites you’re comparing them to. Ok, so your position is that if there are two groups of people, Group A and Group B; and there are people in group B who are genetically more different from eachother than they are different from people in Group A; and one observes a gap between Group A and Group B in terms of some trait; then it cannot be the case that the difference is in large part the result of genetics. Is that your position? ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1084 "2012-06-08T01:26:36Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Goodbye, liar. I hope this means you’re leaving because it’s been explained to you and apparently you do not have the capability to understand. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1085 "2012-06-08T01:30:03Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > No, you disgusting piece of racist filth. Lol, your anger suggests to me that the cognitive dissonance is starting to build in your brain. > [@](#): > > The WHOLE POINT is that you haven’t shown that the common groupings called white, black, and asian exist on a meaningful genetic basis. To do that, one would need to set forth the criteria for determining whether whether a “grouping” exists on a “meaningful genetic basis.” People have tried to do essentially that, but then they start getting very evasive when I try to nail down their position. And angry when I try to apply those same criteria to other groups. > [@](#): > > He really hasn’t, Yes he has. If you disagree, then please quote me where I misrepresented his position. Also, I am still waiting for an answer to my questions (and this is the last time I will ask you): 1. When you say “SOME” in capital letters, it’s reasonable to infer that you mean “some but not all” Is that what you meant? Simple yes or no question. 2. Ok, so you concede that using markers and profiles, one can (generally) distinguish between European descended people and Sub-Saharan African descended people? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1086 "2012-06-08T01:32:13Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > I hope this means you’re leaving No, I just put him on my ignore list. > [@](#): > > because it’s been explained to you and apparently you do not have the capability to understand. I have a hard time believing contradictory things at the same time. Unlike **iiandyiiii** , apparently. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1087 "2012-06-08T02:11:03Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Lol, your anger suggests to me that the cognitive dissonance is starting to build in your brain. More like [what **olives** said.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15144574&postcount=1073) ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1088 "2012-06-08T02:24:25Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > I hope this means you’re leaving because it’s been explained to you and apparently you do not have the capability to understand. I think he has. I mean, I don’t see any posts by him. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1089 "2012-06-08T02:47:52Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The criminal justice system was harsher then. Also, the family structure was stronger. So increases in crime are only significant when they support your “hypothesis”? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1090 "2012-06-08T04:43:05Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > No problem. > > Now, if you could figure out the source of my handle, I’d be grateful. It was bestowed upon me by somebody who persistently refuses to explain it. Something to do with [“Bob,”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._%22Bob%22_Dobbs) our Risen Saviour? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1091 "2012-06-08T09:07:24Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > No, I just put him on my ignore list. > > I have a hard time believing contradictory things at the same time. Unlike **iiandyiiii** , apparently. Hehehe… he says he didn’t "misrepresent me, yet the only place I “contradicted myself” is inside his addled brain. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1092 "2012-06-08T09:36:22Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > More like [what **olives** said.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15144574&postcount=1073) Lol, more mindless invective. The fact is that the “anti-racist” position is based on special pleading and when it is scrutinized, people who hold that position have a tendency to unleash a torrent of nastiness. Look, do you agree that **andy** very clearly contradicted himself? If so, why is it that he can’t just admit it? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1093 "2012-06-08T09:40:09Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Look, do you agree that **andy** very clearly contradicted himself? If so, why is it that he can’t just admit it? He says I can’t “show” where he misrepresented me… it’s right here! I haven’t contracted myself, and he hasn’t even tried to show it! ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1094 "2012-06-08T12:53:32Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Lol, more mindless invective. The fact is that the “anti-racist” position is based on special pleading and when it is scrutinized, people who hold that position have a tendency to unleash a torrent of nastiness. > > Look, do you agree that **andy** very clearly contradicted himself? If so, why is it that he can’t just admit it? Just because you can’t understand what he was saying doesn’t mean he contradicted himself. He explained it at a grammar school level and I see no where where he contradicted himself. He actually made me understand his points much better. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1095 "2012-06-08T13:04:14Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Just because you can’t understand what he was saying doesn’t mean he contradicted himself. He explained it at a grammar school level and I see no where where he contradicted himself. Well, let’s break it down again: First, do you agree that he and I had the following question and answer: > [@brazil84](#): > > Well what’s your test for deciding whether a grouping is a “useful genetic grouping”? > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There are no genetic markers that distinguish “whites” from “non-whites” or “sub-Saharan Africans” (or blacks) from “non-sub-Saharan Africans” (or non-blacks). (Post #918) Second, do you agree that he asserted that “Han Chinese” is a “useful genetic grouping”? (Post #941). Third, do you agree that if **iiandyiiii** asserts that “Han Chinese” is a “useful genetic grouping,” then “Han Chinese” must past the test he offered for determining whether a grouping is a “useful genetic grouping”? Three very simple yes or no questions. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1096 "2012-06-08T13:10:50Z")
Yes Yes Yes, I believe so. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1097 "2012-06-08T13:13:17Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Yes > > Yes > > Yes, I believe so. Ok, so then according to **iiandyiiii** ’s reasoning and definition there must be a genetic marker or markers which distinguishe “Han Chinese” from “non-Han Chinese”. Agreed? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1098 "2012-06-08T13:13:25Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Well, let’s break it down again: > > First, do you agree that he and I had the following question and answer: > > (Post #918) > > Second, do you agree that he asserted that “Han Chinese” is a “useful genetic grouping”? (Post #941). > > Third, do you agree that if **iiandyiiii** asserts that “Han Chinese” is a “useful genetic grouping,” then “Han Chinese” must past the test he offered for determining whether a grouping is a “useful genetic grouping”? > > Three very simple yes or no questions. Nowhere here, or anywhere else, did I contradict myself. Remember, I’m talking about populations, not individuals. [Here](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese#DNA_analysis) is a basic rundown of the general distinguishing characteristics of the Han Chinese population’s DNA. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1099 "2012-06-08T13:19:31Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Ok, so then according to **iiandyiiii** ’s reasoning and definition there must be a genetic marker or markers which distinguishe “Han Chinese” from “non-Han Chinese”. > > Agreed? No, it is population characteristics. It is simply you do not understand the subject and make errors based on that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1100 "2012-06-08T13:19:45Z")
[More](http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v53/n4/abs/jhg200837a.html) about the Han Chinese population’s “coherent genetic structure”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=54) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=56)