# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1241 "2012-06-10T22:42:55Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > No one has ever refuted my argument that racial differences exist of a significant extent and durability to demonstrate genetic differences. Nothing needs to be refuted. You haven’t presented any valid argument or any evidence for those propositions. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1242 "2012-06-10T22:42:55Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > He’s already expressed a belief that it’s been somehow proven that the gap _always_ (or at least extremely consistently) exists, no matter location and cultural/societal circumstance, and that therefore proves that it must be genetic. > > He’s already been told that such is not actually been proven, and that even it had been that STILL doesn’t necessarily make it genetic, but he doesn’t believe it. > > Thus this endless circle. I keep asking for evidence that the races are intrinsically equal. I keep getting insults, silly cliches about race being a social construct, or dead silence. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1243 "2012-06-10T22:44:09Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Prove that blacks behave and perform as well as whites. Which “blacks”? Which “whites”? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1244 "2012-06-10T22:45:54Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I keep asking for evidence that the races are intrinsically equal. I keep getting insults, silly cliches about race being a social construct, or dead silence. You’ve provided no evidence that what you call “races” even exist. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1245 "2012-06-10T22:46:03Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I keep asking for evidence that the races are intrinsically equal. I keep getting insults, silly cliches about race being a social construct, or dead silence. You keep asking for something no one has even suggested or tried to prove (except in your imagination). You’ve done nothing but state and restate a hypothesis, over and over again. We know the achievement gap exists. There have been many such gaps in history, many of which have disappeared. You’ve provided no data or evidence supporting your assertion about _why_ the achievement gap exists; all you’ve done is continue to show its existence. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1246 "2012-06-10T22:50:03Z")
OK, **NDD** , lemme ask you something: are the dividing lines between the races bright and able to be objectively observed (whether through physical traits, DNA testing, or otherwise)? If so, what are these lines/genes? If not, why divide people up into specific races to begin with, scientifically speaking? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1247 "2012-06-10T22:51:13Z")
By providing a forum for racism, one promotes racism. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1248 "2012-06-10T23:00:44Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Nothing needs to be refuted. You haven’t presented any valid argument or any evidence for those propositions. I have documented sufficient evidence that the races differ by crime rates and average intellectual performance. This evidence is documented by credible sources like the Bureau of Justice Statistics of the United States Department of Justice, [http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm) the College Board and the ACT > **[SAT and ACT Scores by Race/Ethnicity](http://www.blackexcel.org/06-sat-act-scores-by-race-ethnicity.htm)** > > SAT and ACT Scores broken down by Race/Ethnicity. the Global Burden of Armed Violence Report. Geneva Declaration on Armed Violence and Development, the Global Study on Homicide, UNODC, > **[List of countries by intentional homicide rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)** > > The list of countries by homicide rate is derived from United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) data, and is expressed in number of deaths per 100,000 population per year. For example, a homicide rate of 30 out of 100,000 is presented in the table as "30", and corresponds to 0.03% of the population dying by homicide. The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary. Only UNODC-vetted data is used in the main table to maintain consistency. In some cases, i Homicide rates ... and finally OECD/PISA. > **[Who's No. 1? Finland, Japan and Korea, Says OECD Education Study - Site...](https://siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm)** > > Who's No. 1? Finland, Japan and Korea, Says OECD Education Study Those who refuse to accept these as credible sources reveal that they are beyond the range of rational debate. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1249 "2012-06-10T23:02:37Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > By providing a forum for racism, one promotes racism. If you really think this thread is providing any support for racism, you’re as dumb as NDD.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1250 "2012-06-10T23:03:43Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have documented sufficient evidence that the races differ by crime rates and average intellectual performance. This evidence is documented by credible sources like the Bureau of Justice Statistics of the United States Department of Justice, Moron. Those are social races, not genetic “races.” They are not races according to the definitions you yourself cited. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1251 "2012-06-10T23:11:21Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Moron. Those are social races, not genetic “races.” They are not races according to the definitions you yourself cited. Blacks, whites, Orientals, and Hispanics are races according to the definitions I have cited. Hispanics are a hybrid race composed mainly of American Indians and Europeans. You and others keep saying that I have not provided evidence that some races are biologically superior to others. Nevertheless, you make it clear that you would not accept anything as evidence. The evidence I will accept for innate racial equality will be the different races behaving and performing equally well. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1252 "2012-06-10T23:15:52Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Blacks, whites, Orientals, and Hispanics are races according to the definitions I have cited. Hispanics are a hybrid race composed mainly of American Indians and Europeans. No they are not, no many how many times you repeat it. > [@](#): > > You and others keep saying that I have not provided evidence that some races are biologically superior to others. Nevertheless, you make it clear that you would not accept anything as evidence. Try providing some scientifically valid evidence. You haven’t. > [@](#): > > The evidence I will accept for innate racial equality will be the different races behaving and performing equally well. You haven’t provided any evidence that genetically defined races even exist, let alone that they differ in innate ability. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1253 "2012-06-10T23:16:27Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Blacks, whites, Orientals, and Hispanics are races according to the definitions I have cited. Hispanics are a hybrid race composed mainly of American Indians and Europeans. > > You and others keep saying that I have not provided evidence that some races are biologically superior to others. Nevertheless, you make it clear that you would not accept anything as evidence. > > The evidence I will accept for innate racial equality will be the different races behaving and performing equally well. Actually here you are demonstrating to be an even bigger moron, you are supposed to convince the scientist, not to tell him you know more than him, as it was admitted by you there is no evidence at the genetic level of what you are claiming, so what you are doing here is just a smoke screen, it is not the social divisions what we are dealing with, but the lack of the biological ones. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1254 "2012-06-10T23:19:11Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > You and others keep saying that I have not provided evidence that some races are biologically superior to others. Nevertheless, you make it clear that you would not accept anything as evidence. You’ve provided zero genetic evidence. I’ve provided in detail what evidence would be acceptable. You haven’t even attempted to address it. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1255 "2012-06-10T23:22:54Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Hispanics are a hybrid race composed mainly of American Indians and Europeans. Oh, and “Hispanics” aren’t even a social race. They’re an ethnic group that includes members of European, African, Indian, and mixed ancestry. Fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1256 "2012-06-10T23:25:31Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > If you really think this thread is providing any support for racism, you’re as dumb as NDD.😉 Sure thing, shit for brains. You’re the one providing the racist a platform while deluding yourself into thinking that you are advancing your position. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1257 "2012-06-10T23:26:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You’ve provided zero genetic evidence. I’ve provided in detail what evidence would be acceptable. You haven’t even attempted to address it. I have too addressed it. I have pointed out that long before genes were discovered it was understood that biological relatives resembled each other. It was only during and after the Second World War that well recognized racial differences were considered to be exclusively environmental. The consensus was that because the Nazis believed that race is important, it is not. This was an example of the guilt by association fallacy. * * * Guilt by Association is a fallacy in which a person rejects a claim simply because it is pointed out that people she dislikes accept the claim. This sort of “reasoning” has the following form: It is pointed out that people person A does not like accept claim P. Therefore P is false It is clear that sort of “reasoning” is fallacious. For example the following is obviously a case of poor “reasoning”: “You think that 1+1=2. But, Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, Joseph Stalin, and Ted Bundy all believed that 1+1=2. So, you shouldn’t believe it.” The fallacy draws its power from the fact that people do not like to be associated with people they dislike. Hence, if it is shown that a person shares a belief with people he dislikes he might be influenced into rejecting that belief. In such cases the person will be rejecting the claim based on how he thinks or feels about the people who hold it and because he does not want to be associated with such people. Of course, the fact that someone does not want to be associated with people she dislikes does not justify the rejection of any claim. For example, most wicked and terrible people accept that the earth revolves around the sun and that lead is heavier than helium. No sane person would reject these claims simply because this would put them in the company of people they dislike (or even hate). [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/guilt-by-association.html](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/guilt-by-association.html) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1258 "2012-06-10T23:26:54Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Sure thing, shit for brains. You’re the one providing the racist a platform while deluding yourself into thinking that you are advancing your position. The way to fight ignorance, bad science, and racism, is to address it and show everyone how stupid it is. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1259 "2012-06-10T23:28:39Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > It was only during and after the Second World War that well recognized racial differences were considered to be exclusively environmental. The consensus was that because the Nazis believed that race is important, it is not. > > This was an example of the guilt by association fallacy. Another excellent straw man, created and taken down by **New Deal Democrat**. You have a knack for only arguing against things no one in this thread has said. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1260 "2012-06-10T23:30:20Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have too addressed it. I have pointed out that long before genes were discovered it was understood that biological relatives resembled each other. And it wasn’t shown _why_ until we had the science and technology to properly test the hypothesis. You’ve made a hypothesis, but that’s it. **Real science is hard.** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=62) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=64)