# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1261 "2012-06-10T23:30:56Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Oh, and “Hispanics” aren’t even a social race. They’re an ethnic group that includes members of European, African, Indian, and mixed ancestry. > > Fucking idiot. Hispanics tend to be more intelligent than blacks and less intelligent than whites. They tend to be more dangerous than whites, and less dangerous than blacks. These racial tendencies can be explained by the races that make up the mixture. The more generations separate a population from hunting and gathering, the lower the crime rate of that population is likely to be, and the higher the average intelligence. Calling me a “f\*cking idiot” says nothing about me. It reveals that you are incapable of a reasoned, civil debate of an important topic. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1262 "2012-06-10T23:32:55Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > OK, **NDD** , lemme ask you something: are the dividing lines between the races bright and able to be objectively observed (whether through physical traits, DNA testing, or otherwise)? If so, what are these lines/genes? If not, why divide people up into specific races to begin with, scientifically speaking? I realize that this question is not addressed to me, but the reason is that there are a group of people which insists that any disparity between performance of races must be the result of discrimination and other misconduct, typically by whites. So it’s reasonable to ask: If we spend even more money and energy on No Child Left Behind; Headstart; various affirmative action plans; and so forth, can we really expect the achievement gap to close? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1263 "2012-06-10T23:37:35Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have too addressed it. I have pointed out that long before genes were discovered it was understood that biological relatives resembled each other. > > It was only during and after the Second World War that well recognized racial differences were considered to be exclusively environmental. The consensus was that because the Nazis believed that race is important, it is not. > > This was an example of the guilt by association fallacy. And history already showed that you are a moron once again, it was the discovery that we were not different enough to genetically assign the race divisions made by society what convinced biological scientists to declare that there is only one human race. > **[Retired Site | PBS](https://www.pbs.org/retired-site/)** > > This Content is No Longer Available > **[Retired Site | PBS](https://www.pbs.org/retired-site/)** > > This Content is No Longer Available > [@](#): > > Lots of animals are divided into subspecies. Why doesn’t it make sense to group humans the same way? > > Subspecies are animal groups that are related, can interbreed, and yet have characteristics that make them distinct from one another. Two basic ingredients are critical to the development of separate subspecies: isolation and time. Unlike most animals, humans are a relatively young species and we are extremely mobile, so we simply haven’t evolved into different subspecies. > > The earliest hominids evolved from apes about 5 million years ago, but modern humans (Homo sapien sapiens) didn’t emerge until 150,000-200,000 years ago in eastern Africa, where we spent most of our evolution together as a species. Our species first left Africa only about 50,000-100,000 years ago and quickly spread across the entire world. All of us are descended from these recent African ancestors. > > Many other animal species have been around much longer or they have shorter life spans, so they’ve had many more opportunities to accumulate genetic variants. Penguins, for example, have twice as much genetic diversity as humans. Fruit flies have 10 times as much. Even our closest living relative, the chimpanzee, has been around at least several million years. There’s more genetic diversity within a group of chimps on a single hillside in Gomba than in the entire human species. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1264 "2012-06-10T23:44:02Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > So it’s reasonable to ask: If we spend even more money and energy on No Child Left Behind; Headstart; various affirmative action plans; and so forth, can we really expect the achievement gap to close? Those arguing in the affirmative need to explain why the War on Poverty was followed by five years of black ghetto rioting, and a tripling of the crime rate from 1960 to 1980. They also need to explain the very graphic failure of No Child Left Behind. * * * Despite concerted efforts by educators, the test-score gaps are so large that, on average, African-American and Hispanic students in high school can read and do arithmetic at only the average level of whites in junior high school. > **[Schools Slow in Closing Gaps Between Races (Published 2006)](https://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/education/20gap.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ei=5070&en=e1b56aad3e0f9451&ex=1165035600)** > > As Congress prepares to consider renewing the No Child Left Behind law next year, studies show that disparities in test scores continue. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1265 "2012-06-10T23:44:35Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Hispanics tend to be more intelligent than blacks and less intelligent than whites. They tend to be more dangerous than whites, and less dangerous than blacks. These racial tendencies can be explained by the races that make up the mixture. > > The more generations separate a population from hunting and gathering, the lower the crime rate of that population is likely to be, and the higher the average intelligence. > > Calling me a “f\*cking idiot” says nothing about me. It reveals that you are incapable of a reasoned, civil debate of an important topic. As this is the pit, it is the proper thing to do with people whose ideas are even pass their due date. And remember, your job, to be taken seriously, was to convince the experts of the error of their ways, you have failed spectacularly here and elsewhere. When I pointed out that you are like “Jeremy” the Nowhere man from _Yellow Submarine_ the biggest similarity is in the symbolic shrinking of your circle of peers (the circles around Jeremy become less and smaller). You are are just irrelevant now indeed and the only difference is that there is no Ringo to take you somewhere. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1266 "2012-06-10T23:45:14Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > These racial tendencies can be explained by the races that make up the mixture. Of course, there’s no evidence that supports this explanation. All you do, NDD, is restate your hypothesis. No one has denied the achievement gap exists- you don’t need to provide any more data about it. You’ve offered an explanation for the gap, but no data to support your explanation. None whatsoever. Zero. To reiterate- here is the data that would support your explanation: a determination of all or most of the genes responsible for intelligence and criminality, a broad and deep analysis of many different populations that show some, on average, have more or less of these genes, and a broad and deep survey to show that these analyses have predictive power (that is, to show that the presence/amount of these genes in a population correlates to education and crime statistics). That would support your explanation. You’ve provided nothing that supports your explanation. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1267 "2012-06-10T23:47:22Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And history already showed that you are a moron once again, it was the discovery that we were not different enough to genetically assign the race divisions made by society what convinced biological scientists to declare that there is only one human race. > > [Retired Site | PBS](http://www.pbs.org/race/000_General/000_00-Home.htm) > > [Retired Site | PBS](http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-01-11.htm) “Lots of animals are divided into subspecies. Why doesn’t it make sense to group humans the same way?” Political correctness. It is just as simple as that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1268 "2012-06-10T23:49:05Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > “Lots of animals are divided into subspecies. Why doesn’t it make sense to group humans the same way?” > > Political correctness. It is just as simple as that. A single subspecies of Chimpanzees has more genetic diversity than ALL humans combined. Why does it makes sense then to divide humans into subspecies? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1269 "2012-06-10T23:49:08Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > “Lots of animals are divided into subspecies. Why doesn’t it make sense to group humans the same way?” > > Political correctness. It is just as simple as that. So in the end you are just a moronic Conspiracy Theorist, it is just as simple as that, and I’m glad to see confirmation of that from you. … making all his nowhere plans for nobody. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1270 "2012-06-10T23:50:57Z")
We went through this problem with the fellow who used the SDMB as a platform to promote fucking little kids. The board lost members (such as lawyer Jodi) because for the longest time, the TPTB permited the problem to continue. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1271 "2012-06-10T23:56:18Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Those arguing in the affirmative need to explain why the War on Poverty was followed by five years of black ghetto rioting, and a tripling of the crime rate from 1960 to 1980. > > They also need to explain the very graphic failure of No Child Left Behind. I agree. Is it just a matter of finding the right early childhood intervention program? Setting up just the right charter school? Handing out even more plum jobs to blacks who would never get those jobs if they were white? Relaxing admissions standards for blacks even more at elite universities? Heaping more condemnation on those who dare suggest that the gap might be due in large part to genetics? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1272 "2012-06-10T23:57:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > To reiterate- here is the data that would support your explanation: a determination of all or most of the genes responsible for intelligence and criminality, a broad and deep analysis of many different populations that show some, on average, have more or less of these genes, and a broad and deep survey to show that these analyses have predictive power (that is, to show that the presence/amount of these genes in a population correlates to education and crime statistics). > > That would support your explanation. You’ve provided nothing that supports your explanation. I am confident that in the fairly near future genes will be discovered that make it possible to estimate within a fairly narrow range of probability a person’s intelligence and criminal history by a tissue sample alone. Already genes for lactose tolerance and many genetic diseases have been discovered. Until then persistent patterns of racial differences are sufficient evidence that some races are biologically superior to others. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1273 "2012-06-11T00:01:58Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I am confident that in the fairly near future genes will be discovered that make it possible to estimate within a fairly narrow range of probability a person’s intelligence and criminal history by a tissue sample alone. > > Until then persistent patterns of racial differences are sufficient evidence that some races are biologically superior to others. Your confidence means exactly nothing, as far as supporting your argument. Persistent, to you, apparently means for 40 or 50 years of at least somewhat equal treatment by the law after hundreds of years of systemic and brutal oppression. That’s not how I would define persistent. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1274 "2012-06-11T00:04:39Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I am confident that in the fairly near future genes will be discovered that make it possible to estimate within a fairly narrow range of probability a person’s intelligence and criminal history by a tissue sample alone. > > Already genes for lactose tolerance and many genetic diseases have been discovered. > > Until then persistent patterns of racial differences are sufficient evidence that some races are biologically superior to others. Nope, as the evidence from blacks being educated in different environments showed. As usual, that evidence was deftly avoided by you and one just needs to point that out to show how your shrinking world really is Mr. Boo. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1275 "2012-06-11T00:12:23Z")
For that matter, isn’t it wrong, scientifically, to compare studies of, say, sub-Saharan Africans to studies of, say, Swedes when asking this kind of question? Wouldn’t you need to make the comparisons WITHIN the sub-Saharan region and Sweden? And even then, wouldn’t you also have to control for a dozen different environmental and cultural factors that would otherwise make a comparison meaningless? Is that even possible? That is why I’m extremely skeptical (to say the least) that it’s somehow “proven” that one race has higher crime rates and lower test scores EVERYWHERE and at EVERY TIME. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1276 "2012-06-11T00:57:51Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Hispanics tend to be more intelligent than blacks and less intelligent than whites. They tend to be more dangerous than whites, and less dangerous than blacks. These racial tendencies can be explained by the races that make up the mixture. Moronic nonsense. > [@](#): > > The more generations separate a population from hunting and gathering, the lower the crime rate of that population is likely to be, and the higher the average intelligence. Utter fabrication with not a shred of evidence. > [@](#): > > Calling me a “f\*cking idiot” says nothing about me. It reveals that you are incapable of a reasoned, civil debate of an important topic. You haven’t presented any “reasoned debate” on the topic, only ignorance, stupidity, lies, and fabrications, coupled with a resolute refusal to address the evidence against your position. So insulting you at least provides some entertainment value. Fucking drooling cretin. ---
**Author:** ![gunnergoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e95f7d/32.png) [@gunnergoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gunnergoz)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1277 "2012-06-11T00:58:10Z")
Gosh, this is as much fun as scratching open a scab and watching the pus flow. I got to check out this part of the forum more often! Maybe during my next migraine, just to add to the overall head-pounding effect. Seriously, I commend the forum owner(s) for having the guts to set up such a section to begin with. It’s good to have a place where you can have a go at controversy in this way, without someone having to risk a broken nose. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1278 "2012-06-11T03:35:20Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > This poster is on my ignore list due to his refusal to answer simple questions about his position. I am happy to provide links and quotes to anyone who is not on my ignore list. Huh? What the fuck are you talking about? What “simple questions” did I refuse to answer. Please list them or apologize for slandering me. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1279 "2012-06-11T04:32:21Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I am confident that in the fairly near future genes will be discovered that make it possible to estimate within a fairly narrow range of probability a person’s intelligence and criminal history by a tissue sample alone. If criminal tendencies were genetically determined, Australia would have the highest crime rates on the planet. Comparing complex multifactoral traits with massive cultural components like criminality and intelligence with simple purely physical traits like lactose tolerance or melanin levels is just mindbogglingly stupid. ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1280 "2012-06-11T04:43:18Z")
The indisputable biological races are the gays, the Jews, the Kosovar Albanians (but not the other Albanians), people from Weehawken, and everyone else. Someone prove this to be scientifically wrong or else it is a totally valid argument and everyone should engage with me for page after page after page after page about it rather than banning me for arguing nonsense on the basis of zero evidence. Otherwise I am making a totally scientifically valid argument and I demand equal time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=65)