# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1321 "2012-06-11T16:04:15Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > You’re parents would have done better to have raised you not to be a racist, and also not to have a closed mind. My parents taught me not to hate anyone because that person is a member of a specific race. That lesson has remained with me. My parents also taught me that the differences between whites and blacks were minimal, and due to white racism. During the course of my life I have learned that this is not true. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1322 "2012-06-11T16:05:22Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Did you notice the rest of the post that you quoted? Yes, and I did not see a response to my question in there. Keep in mind, the question at issue was not about the actual genetics of Han Chinese – it was about **iiandyiiii** ’s position. Are you able to grasp that there is a difference? ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1323 "2012-06-11T16:06:14Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > My parents taught me not to hate anyone because that person is a member of a specific race. That lesson has remained with me. > > My parents also taught me that the differences between whites and blacks were minimal, and due to white racism. During the course of my life I have learned that this is not true. I think it’s progressive brain damage. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1324 "2012-06-11T16:08:22Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Yes, and I did not see a response to my question in there. Keep in mind, the question at issue was not about the actual genetics of Han Chinese – it was about **iiandyiiii** ’s position. > > Are you able to grasp that there is a difference? Then you’d better tell me **iiandyiiii** ’s position as you see it. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1325 "2012-06-11T16:09:23Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > For all of your bluster you cannot explain why some individuals are better than others at everything they do, why members of some racial groups tend to out score members of other racial groups on all the mental aptitude tests however they are designed, and you cannot explain persistent racial patterns of performance and behavior that have always existed, and that exist everywhere in the world. > [@Colibri](#): > > There’s nothing to explain, since you haven’t demonstrated any of those things. I most assuradely have, again, and _again_, and _again_. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1326 "2012-06-11T16:09:32Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Excuse me, you fucking moron, you complained about clicking links so I quoted it here. Now, apparently you want to pigeonhole me into making a statement about genetic markers. Lol, the question was purely about **iiandyiiii** ’s position. > [@](#): > > Did you understand my quote? No you did not. Read it and try to figure out what it says. It’s not an answer to my simple, reasonable question. Which you continue to evade. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1327 "2012-06-11T16:12:27Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > My parents taught me not to hate anyone because that person is a member of a specific race. That lesson has remained with me. > > My parents also taught me that the differences between whites and blacks were minimal, and due to white racism. During the course of my life I have learned that this is not true. Great! Your point is not only made, it’s been hammered like a railroad spike by a group of slant-eyed, rice-eating yellow Oriental Chinamen. So why don’t you shut the fuck up now and find another playground to defecate in, you pitiful little dimwit? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1328 "2012-06-11T16:12:53Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Lol, the question was purely about **iiandyiiii** ’s position. > > It’s not an answer to my simple, reasonable question. > > Which you continue to evade. Note that the question _about my position_ was answered by **Who\_me?** with a link from _my post_ a few posts after **brazil8** 4’s original question. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1329 "2012-06-11T16:15:48Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Then you’d better tell me **iiandyiiii** ’s position as you see it. His position is that a grouping is a “useful genetic grouping” if there is a genetic marker (or markers) which distinguishes people in that group from people who are not in the group. His position is that there is no such marker for “blacks” versus “non-blacks” and therefore “blacks” is not a “useful genetic grouping” He has essentially admitted that there is no genetic marker which distinguishes “Han Chinese” from “non-Han Chinese.” Therefore, by his reasoning, “Han Chinese” is not a “useful genetic grouping.” However, he asserts that “Han Chinese” is indeed a “useful genetic grouping.” That’s a contradiction. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1330 "2012-06-11T16:16:14Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I most assuradely have, again, and _again_, and _again_. Only in your own delusional mind. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1331 "2012-06-11T16:18:55Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > He has essentially admitted that there is no genetic marker which distinguishes “Han Chinese” from “non-Han Chinese.” Therefore, by his reasoning, “Han Chinese” is not a “useful genetic grouping.” Ahh, here is the lie that the lying liar **brazil84** has fabricated. I did not “essentially admit” this at all. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1332 "2012-06-11T16:19:57Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Only in your own delusional mind. You forgot the italics and underlining that’s a trademark of NDD. It should be “your own _delusional_ _mind_”. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Ahh, here is the lie that the lying liar **brazil84** has fabricated. I did not “essentially admit” this at all. Yup. Apparently brazzie’s massive comprehension failure means you’re a liar. Congratulations. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1333 "2012-06-11T16:23:17Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Your entire argument is based on the assumption that at some time in the future the different races will perform and behave identically. > [@Colibri](#): > > I have said nothing of the kind. Then what is your argument based on? I have posted fact after well documented fact to demonstrate that the human races differ significantly in average intelligence and crime. I assert that this is powerful evidence for biological differences. Just for the sake of argument, I will assume what I doubt very many people really believe: the appallingly high black crime rate is due exclusively to white racism. So what? It is still a fact that blacks have a rate of violent crime that is nearly eight times the white crime rate. Consequently, race profiling and a high incarceration rate for blacks are legitimate ways to reduce the crime rate. Also, let us assume that the enduring race gap in intellectual performance is due exclusively to white racism. It still exists. As a result few blacks should be admitted to college, and few should be advanced to positions that require superior intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1334 "2012-06-11T16:23:32Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I most assuradely have, again, and _again_, and _again_. [And again and again and again.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15152989#post15152989) ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1335 "2012-06-11T16:24:40Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Lol, I’m still waiting for you to quote this supposedly false claim I made. Because it was right above your response - that you continue to claim contradiction and lack of response, I could see that your game is boring. > [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > You keep claiming that, but nothing you’ve quoted of him shows any contradiction. Yes, that was what led me to the false claim. But in truth it can be also he is just very stupid and in reality does not understand. In fact, I see that you have come back to the genetic marker, which also says that you do not understand the point which was quoted. The genetic marker idea is your own assertion. iiandyiiii pointed to population structures in frequencies. This is correct, not your strange misunderstanding. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1336 "2012-06-11T16:25:40Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Then what is your argument based on? I have posted fact after well documented fact to demonstrate that the human races differ significantly in average intelligence and crime. I assert that this is powerful evidence for biological differences. Your “facts” have shown nothing but the existence of an achievement gap. You’ve shown no data on an “innate abilities” gap, or a “genetics” gap. Nothing. Zero. Nada. You don’t seem to get that “achievement” tells you nothing about genetics. It never does, and it never will. If you want to say something about genetics, you need genetic data. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1337 "2012-06-11T16:29:43Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > His position is that a grouping is a “useful genetic grouping” if there is a genetic marker (or markers) which distinguishes people in that group from people who are not in the group. > > His position is that there is no such marker for “blacks” versus “non-blacks” and therefore “blacks” is not a “useful genetic grouping” > > He has essentially admitted that there is no genetic marker which distinguishes “Han Chinese” from “non-Han Chinese.” Therefore, by his reasoning, “Han Chinese” is not a “useful genetic grouping.” > > However, he asserts that “Han Chinese” is indeed a “useful genetic grouping.” > > That’s a contradiction. Because there is a thing called coherent genetic structure that links the Han Chinese together _as a population_ that other groups you are sticking together do not have. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1338 "2012-06-11T16:33:34Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I assert that this is powerful evidence for biological differences. You _assert_, do you? What the hell kind of lousy science is that, you dimwit? I assert fluoridation of water increases the likelihood of miscegenation by altering brain chemistry. Evidence: the increasing number of mixed race marriages in the US since fluoridation programs began. Hell, I’ve got as much evidence for it as you do for your pet theory. Your assertions are complete bullshit. Find a statistics book, learn how real science is done, and come back when you learn how to _properly_ separate biological factors from social, economic, and environmental factors. Also, figure out that “biological” is NOT the same as genetic. Examples: every human has fingerprints. That’s biological, not genetic. There are signs that there may be some correlation between the chemical and hormonal status of the womb and homosexuality in the resulting child, i.e. biological but not necessarily genetic. This is the basic kind of shit you get wrong that makes it obvious you have no clue what you’re talking about. Not only do you not understand the difference between biologic and genetic, you somehow jump straight to genetic without showing how it can’t be other biologic factors. The number of levels on which you get your own argument wrong is staggering. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1339 "2012-06-11T16:34:09Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Because it was right above your response - I have no idea what you are talking about. But keep evading. > [@](#): > > In fact, I see that you have come back to the genetic marker, which also says that you do not understand the point which was quoted. The genetic marker idea is your own assertion. iiandyiiii pointed to population structures in frequencies. This is correct, not your strange misunderstanding. That’s completely false. Just look at Post #918 in this thread: > [@brazil84](#): > > Well what’s your test for deciding whether a grouping is a “useful genetic grouping”? > [@iiandyiiii\[/quote](#): > > There are no **genetic markers** that distinguish “whites” from “non-whites” or “sub-Saharan Africans” (or blacks) from “non-sub-Saharan Africans” (or non-blacks). (my bolding) You can apologize any time you like. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1340 "2012-06-11T16:38:08Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Because there is a thing called coherent genetic structure that links the Han Chinese together _as a population_ that other groups you are sticking together do not have. Even if that were true, it doesn’t change the fact that **iiandyiiii** contradicted himself. I asked him what his test was for deciding whether a group is a “useful genetic grouping,” and he made reference to “genetic markers” – not to “coherent genetic structure.” See, I am talking about what he actually said – not what you wish or imagine that he said. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=68)