# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 68
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1341 "2012-06-11T16:38:31Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > You can apologize any time you like. Of course… anything to change the subject away from the lie about a supposed contradiction that the lying liar _brazil84_ told about me. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1342 "2012-06-11T16:41:43Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I asked him what his test was for deciding whether a group is a “useful genetic grouping,” and he made reference to “genetic markers” – not to “coherent genetic structure.” Another lie by **brazil84** - in [post #1100](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15146127&postcount=1100), when I was trying to answer **brazil84** ’s question, I linked to a Nature article and use the exact phrase “coherent genetic structure”. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1343 "2012-06-11T16:45:03Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Another lie by **brazil84** - in [post #1100](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15146127&postcount=1100), when I was trying to answer **brazil84** ’s question, I linked to a Nature article and use the exact phrase “coherent genetic structure”. Do I need to take his post out of quotes and post it again for you to see this **brazil84**? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1344 "2012-06-11T16:47:11Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Do I need to take his post out of quotes and post it again for you to see this **brazil84**? Don’t bother… he’s not really ignoring us. He just pretends he is- as he’s shown by responding to some posts from supposedly ignored posters. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1345 "2012-06-11T16:49:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Don’t bother… he’s not really ignoring us. He just pretends he is- as he’s shown by responding to some posts from supposedly ignored posters. Oh, I know this. If he was just ignoring you with the software, he’d see the quote. With his asinine way of doing things, I don’t know if he’d “see” anything you ever posted. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1346 "2012-06-11T16:49:19Z")
“and come back when you learn how to properly separate biological factors from social, economic, and environmental factors.” This would require education it is pretty clear he doesn’t possess, so he literally _can’t_. Might as well ask my cat to bark… ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1347 "2012-06-11T16:50:01Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Do I need to take his post out of quotes and post it again for you to see this **brazil84**? I’m not going to engage with **iiandyiiii** by proxy. The fact is that he contradicted himself. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1348 "2012-06-11T16:51:16Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I’m not going to engage with **iiandyiiii** by proxy. > > The fact is that he contradicted himself. Deal with it. A racist, a liar, _and_ a coward. Although those three often seem to go together. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1349 "2012-06-11T16:54:23Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I’m not going to engage with **iiandyiiii** by proxy. > > The fact is that he contradicted himself. Deal with it. I’ll deal with the fact that you are wrong about **iiandyiiii** contradicting himself and that you are a liar saying he did. Post 1100 says exactly what he said it did and you deny it. So a liar and a racist… I hope you’re proud. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1350 "2012-06-11T16:55:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > A racist, a liar, _and_ a coward. Although those three often seem to go together. Damn… he got the triple crown… ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1351 "2012-06-11T16:59:31Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > You _assert_, do you? > > What the hell kind of lousy science is that, you dimwit? > > I assert fluoridation of water increases the likelihood of miscegenation by altering brain chemistry. Evidence: the increasing number of mixed race marriages in the US since fluoridation programs began. Hell, I’ve got as much evidence for it as you do for your pet theory. > > Your assertions are complete bullshit. Find a statistics book, learn how real science is done, and come back when you learn how to _properly_ separate biological factors from social, economic, and environmental factors. > Also, figure out that “biological” is NOT the same as genetic. > > Examples: every human has fingerprints. That’s biological, not genetic. There are signs that there may be some correlation between the chemical and hormonal status of the womb and homosexuality in the resulting child, i.e. biological but not necessarily genetic. > > This is the basic kind of shit you get wrong that makes it obvious you have no clue what you’re talking about. > > Not only do you not understand the difference between biologic and genetic, you somehow jump straight to genetic without showing how it can’t be other biologic factors. The number of levels on which you get your own argument wrong is staggering. In science there is a bias in favor of the simpler explanation. During the time of Ptolemy, which is to say during the first two centuries of the Christian Era, it seemed obvious that the sun and the planets revolved around the earth. Ptolemy developed an astronomical system based on that assumption. However, as time went by measurements became more precise. The Ptolemaic system became increasingly complicated. Copernicus, who lived from 1473 to 1543, thought to himself that the universe looks the way it does to us because we view it from the earth. He took existing calculations, and considered what the universe would look like from the surface of the sun. Suddenly, things became simple. Complex orbits around the earth became simple orbits around the sun. Well, when it comes to the persistence of racial differences in crime and intelligence I hear that I am ignorant of science, logic, am a racist, and so on. No one who says those things can explain the persistence. I can. Some races are biologically superior to others. This superiority can be explained by different population pressures lasting hundreds and thousands of years. Over a period of many generations civilization breeds civilized people. Savage conditions breed people who are currently revealing their savagery everywhere in the world that they live. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1352 "2012-06-11T17:01:15Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > In science there is a bias in favor of the simpler explanation. There’s an even greater bias in favor of the explanation _that actually has supporting evidence_. Yours has none. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1353 "2012-06-11T17:01:59Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > I’ll deal with the fact that you are wrong about **iiandyiiii** contradicting himself and that you are a liar saying he did. Lol, you are wrong and you know it – otherwise you would not have evaded my question from before. Such a simple question too. > [@](#): > > So a liar and a racist… I hope you’re proud. Yes of course. As they say, the curse of a wicked man is a blessing. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1354 "2012-06-11T17:03:24Z")
“No one can explain it” NDD? :rolleyes: Several times there were posted in this tread explanations for that, that you are claiming now that those do not exist is a big stinky lie. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1355 "2012-06-11T17:03:52Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Copernicus, who lived from 1473 to 1543, thought to himself that the universe looks the way it does to us because we view it from the earth. He took existing calculations, and considered what the universe would look like from the surface of the sun. Suddenly, things became simple. Complex orbits around the earth became simple orbits around the sun. Copernicus’ ideas were simpler, sure. But you know what was even more important? They were right (at least the part about the sun orbiting the earth- it took later scientists to figure out the orbits were elliptical, and not circular). And they were accepted not because they were simpler, but _because they had tons of supporting evidence_. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1356 "2012-06-11T17:07:24Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Lol, you are wrong and you know it – otherwise you would not have evaded my question from before. Such a simple question too. Such a simple question from such a simple mind… With such farseeing ineptitude you’ll go far. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1357 "2012-06-11T17:09:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Copernicus’ ideas were simpler, sure. But you know what was even more important? They were right (at least the part about the sun orbiting the earth- it took later scientists to figure out the orbits were elliptical, and not circular). And they were accepted not because they were simpler, but _because they had tons of supporting evidence_. I have presented plenty of supporting difference that racial differences exist, that they are major differences, that the same differences exist throughout the world, and that the differences persist. I have also presented a simple explanation of these differences. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1358 "2012-06-11T17:09:37Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Well, when it comes to the persistence of racial differences in crime and intelligence I hear that I am ignorant of science, logic, am a racist, and so on. No one who says those things can explain the persistence. I can. Some races are biologically superior to others. This superiority can be explained by different population pressures lasting hundreds and thousands of years. I hate repeating myself, but address the following: > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Also, figure out that “biological” is NOT the same as genetic. > > Examples: every human has fingerprints. That’s biological, not genetic. There are signs that there may be some correlation between the chemical and hormonal status of the womb and homosexuality in the resulting child, i.e. biological but not necessarily genetic. > > This is the basic kind of shit you get wrong that makes it obvious you have no clue what you’re talking about. > > Not only do you not understand the difference between biologic and genetic, you somehow jump straight to genetic without showing how it can’t be other biologic factors. The number of levels on which you get your own argument wrong is staggering. You still haven’t separated social, economic, or environmental factors out, nor have you shown how you jump straight to genetic without showing how you’ve eliminated other biological factors. Your argument is baseless. Copernicus? Great example. He showed planets orbited the sun. He NEVER SHOWED WHY OR HOW. He only showed that it happened. It wasn’t until Isaac Newton showed up with some pretty nifty ideas of his own that we had an explanation. And his stuff was verified by experiment. Likewise, we know there’s an achievement gap. We know it’s there. What you have NOT proven is WHY OR HOW. You have your pet theory, but unlike Newton, you haven’t proven your framework via experiment. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1359 "2012-06-11T17:21:45Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have presented plenty of supporting difference that racial differences exist, that they are major differences, that the same differences exist throughout the world, and that the differences persist. I have also presented a simple explanation of these differences. You provided nothing to support your explanation. You’ve asserted there’s an achievement gap, which _no one denies_. And all you’ve done is provide more evidence for the gap that everyone already acknowledges. It’s simple? Fine. Find some data that supports your “simple” explanation, and get back to us. I’ve told you multiple times what kind of data would support it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1360 "2012-06-11T17:23:39Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Such a simple question from such a simple mind… With such farseeing ineptitude you’ll go far. \*\*If \*\*there is a Ringo that would take him to Pepperland. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=67) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=69)