# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1361 "2012-06-11T17:27:32Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I prefer to do it my way so that neutral lurkers don’t get the idea that I’m not responding because I don’t have a good response. Hate to tell you but they already believe that. Anyway, since you’ve accused me of “failing to answer simple questions” about “[my] position” please show me what “simple questions” I failed to answer. We know that you’re extremely stupid, but it shouldn’t be too difficult. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1362 "2012-06-11T17:33:34Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Such a simple question from such a simple mind… With such farseeing ineptitude you’ll go far. Lol, nice evasion. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1363 "2012-06-11T17:35:49Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Then what is your argument based on? I have posted fact after well documented fact to demonstrate that the human races differ significantly in average intelligence and crime. I assert that this is powerful evidence for biological differences. You have not posted any demonstration that the human “races” you propose even exist, let alone that they differ in a systematic way in any characteristic. Asserting nonsense over and over again doesn’t make it so. > [@](#): > > Just for the sake of argument, I will assume what I doubt very many people really believe: the appallingly high black crime rate is due exclusively to white racism. Who has made that argument here? This is a strawman that came from your own delusional mind. > [@](#): > > So what? It is still a fact that blacks have a rate of violent crime that is nearly eight times the white crime rate. Consequently, race profiling and a high incarceration rate for blacks are legitimate ways to reduce the crime rate. Why do you hate America? This is fundamentally against the principles of the American system of government. > [@](#): > > Also, let us assume that the enduring race gap in intellectual performance is due exclusively to white racism. It still exists. As a result few blacks should be admitted to college, and few should be advanced to positions that require superior intelligence. You’re not only a fucking moron, ethically you’re a piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1364 "2012-06-11T17:41:54Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Lol, nice evasion. Thank you. What the fuck do you want me to answer now?? There is no genetic marker for Han Chinese but there is the coherent genetic structure which make the Han a useful genetic grouping. And that’s what **iiandyiii** said. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1365 "2012-06-11T17:43:48Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Also, let us assume that the enduring race gap in intellectual performance is due exclusively to white racism. It still exists. As a result few blacks should be admitted to college, and few should be advanced to positions that require superior intelligence. It’s rare that someone on the Dope actually and openly _promotes_ oppression based on race. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1366 "2012-06-11T17:52:38Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > What the fuck do you want me to answer now?? Nothing, I’m simply noting your attempt to distract from your earlier evasions. > [@](#): > > There is no genetic marker for Han Chinese but there is the coherent genetic structure which make the Han a useful genetic grouping. And that’s what **iiandyiii** said. If he said that, then he changed his position. Of course there’s no shame in changing one’s position – if it’s acknowledged. Otherwise you are a dishonest weasel. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1367 "2012-06-11T17:54:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s rare that someone on the Dope actually and openly _promotes_ oppression based on race. Also, he makes the common mistake of “intelligence = good test scores” and “good test scores = all that matters”. If intelligence is actually fully dependent on genetics (which is itself a very iffy proposition, especially given what we know about how drug use by the mother during pregnancy, repeated blows to the head, exposure to various toxins, etc can affect a child’s intellectual development - many of which are, again, biological but not genetic factors), then denying college admission based on testing that knowingly doesn’t properly measure intelligence is monstrous to even consider. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1368 "2012-06-11T17:56:33Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > If he said that, then he changed his position. “If” I said that. I think **brazil84** doesn’t realize that on this thing called the internet people can actually go back and see what one wrote in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1369 "2012-06-11T17:58:04Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Nothing, I’m simply noting your attempt to distract from your earlier evasions. > > If he said that, then he changed his position. Of course there’s no shame in changing one’s position – if it’s acknowledged. Otherwise you are a dishonest weasel. Do you want me to quote his post 1100 in this thread (that you won’t read) again? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1370 "2012-06-11T17:58:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s rare that someone on the Dope actually and openly _promotes_ oppression based on race. Yes, it’s clear that continuing to squeeze this thread will only result in more poo. Good day, gentlemen. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1371 "2012-06-11T17:59:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > [More](http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v53/n4/abs/jhg200837a.html) about the Han Chinese population’s “coherent genetic structure”. Here it is… ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1372 "2012-06-11T18:17:14Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Do you want me to quote his post 1100 in this thread (that you won’t read) again? No, I’m not interested in debating him by proxy. There are two possibilities: Either he said the same thing in post 1100 that he said in Post 918 or he said something different. Either way, one of the two of you is weaseling. Here’s our exchange from before: > [@brazil84](#): > > Well what’s your test for deciding whether a grouping is a “useful genetic grouping”? > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There are no genetic markers that distinguish “whites” from “non-whites” or “sub-Saharan Africans” (or blacks) from “non-sub-Saharan Africans” (or non-blacks). Please stop pretending that this exchange did not take place. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1373 "2012-06-11T18:30:51Z")
I said “There are no genetic markers that distinguish “whites” from “non-whites” or “sub-Saharan Africans” (or blacks) from “non-sub-Saharan Africans” (or non-blacks).” This is factually accurate. Through further reading, I determined that “coherent genetic structure”, which is the phrase used by the Nature article, is a better phrase to use than “genetic markers”, so I used that new phrase. I never changed my position or contradicted myself. I would say any idiot could see the point I was trying to make, but I see that a particular idiot apparently can’t (or chooses not to), and would rather nitpick the minutiae of phrasology rather than address the (absolutely correct) point I was making. **brazil84** ’s a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1374 "2012-06-11T18:41:53Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Lol, nice evasion. Thank you. So anyway Brazzy, what “simple questions” about my “position” did I refuse to answer? I honestly don’t even remember what caused you to throw a shitfit and “ignore” me, though you obviously don’t know the meaning of that word. If I genuinely refused to answer “simple questions” then it should be easy for you to reproduce them. Of course, if you were lying and covering for the fact that I made you look stupid(admittedly not a difficult thing to do), … well that’s a different story. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1375 "2012-06-11T18:43:29Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > No, I’m not interested in debating him by proxy. There are two possibilities: Either he said the same thing in post 1100 that he said in Post 918 or he said something different. Either way, one of the two of you is weaseling. > > Here’s our exchange from before: > > Please stop pretending that this exchange did not take place. In post 918 he says there are no genetic markers to differentiate between blacks and non-blacks and in the second he talks about the Han… How can they contradict each other when there are no discernible connections between them? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1376 "2012-06-11T18:58:44Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > In post 918 he says there are no genetic markers to differentiate between blacks and non-blacks He says more than that since he was answering a general question I asked which was not limited to blacks, whites, or races. Or are you saying that he gave an evasive non-answer to my question? ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1377 "2012-06-11T19:07:51Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Well what’s your test for deciding whether a grouping is a “useful genetic grouping”? > > Is it essentially your two random people test? > > And do you agree that if I pick two random white people, they are likely to be more closely related to eachother than if I pick a random white person and a random non-white person? > [@brazil84](#): > > He says more than that since he was answering a general question I asked which was not limited to blacks, whites, or races. Or are you saying that he gave an evasive non-answer to my question? The top post was the post he was responding to. Although you say it wasn’t limited to blacks, whites, or races… the **“And do you agree that if I pick two random white people, they are likely to be more closely related to each other than if I pick a random white person and a random non-white person?”** specifically refers to white people. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1378 "2012-06-11T19:16:04Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > The top post was the post he was responding to. Here is an exact quote of Post #918: > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > [@brazil84](#): > > > > Well what’s your test for deciding whether a grouping is a “useful genetic grouping”? > > There are no genetic markers that distinguish “whites” from “non-whites” or “sub-Saharan Africans” (or blacks) from “non-sub-Saharan Africans” (or non-blacks). Please stop trying to re-write history. > [@](#): > > And do you agree that if I pick two random white people, they are likely to be more closely related to each other than if I pick a random white person and a random non-white person?" specifically refers to white people Agree, but that’s not the question he was answering. He ignored that question. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1379 "2012-06-11T19:35:10Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Here is an exact quote of Post #918: > > Please stop trying to re-write history. > > Agree, but that’s not the question he was answering. He ignored that question. Ummm… so he edited out part of your post in his quote… it’s still the post he responded to. It’s you rewriting things to try to make your lame arguments seeming less stupid. Guess what? You’re failing. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1380 "2012-06-11T19:42:22Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Ummm… so he edited out part of your post in his quote… it’s still the post he responded to. So what? The reasonable interpretation of Post #918 is that he was answering the question he quoted. I realize you wish he hadn’t said what he said (just like you wish that blacks and whites had equal genetic propensity for intelligence) but wishing don’t make it so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=70)