# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/121 "2012-05-31T12:45:35Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I’m not sure what you mean by “racists,” “non-racists,” and “Leftists.” For me, one of the basic principles of Leftism is the “egalitarian hypothesis,” i.e. the claim that genetic predisposition for intelligence and other important psychological traits is distributed equally among all racial and ethnic groups. > > You are of course free to offer your own definition. > > Given that the overwhelming evidence shows the Leftist position to be false, it’s the Leftist position which relies upon faith at this point. Those on the right have usually argued that moral qualities are what make economic differences. An emphasis on genetic differences implies that there is little moral significance in the distribution of wealth and income. The rich are not better people. They simply picked winning lottery numbers at conception in the grand IQ sweepstakes. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/122 "2012-05-31T13:18:18Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So there’s a universal belief throughout history that black people are inferior? > > Then why are you in the middle of a thread where everyone is telling you you’re wrong? > > All you have is a consensus of you and your fellow racists. > > Here’s what I said in the previous pit thread and it’s still true: You have not said much of anything that is true. You are just expressing anger. Now, throughout most of history there was a consensus that the Negro race was inferior. It was only after the Second World War that most whites in the United States stopped wanting to think that way. Truth cannot be determined by a popularity contest. Some truths are unpopular. All anyone needs to to to prove that I am wrong it to demonstrate that blacks on the average perform and behave as well as whites, or at least that there has been a significant convergence since the civil rights legislation was signed nearly two generations ago. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/123 "2012-05-31T13:35:00Z")
> [@Harmonix](#): > > Why do yo think this is genetic difference and not a result of socioeconomic circumstance and/or cultural differences especially in regard to the value of education? The reason I think it is a genetic difference is because expensive efforts by the government to help blacks, as well as the civil rights legislation have done little to enable blacks to behave and perform as well as whites on the average. As soon as Jews were not discriminated against intellectually they excelled. As soon as blacks were not discriminated against athletically they excelled. Blacks have not been discriminated against intellectually for nearly two generations. With affirmative action programs they are discriminated in favor of. Nevertheless, by every objective criteria they still lag very far behind. They also have a rate of violent crime that is about eight times the white rate. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/124 "2012-05-31T13:41:08Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The reason I think it is a genetic difference is because expensive efforts by the government to help blacks, as well as the civil rights legislation have done little to enable blacks to behave and perform as well as whites on the average. > > As soon as Jews were not discriminated against intellectually they excelled. As soon as blacks were not discriminated against athletically they excelled. Blacks have not been discriminated against intellectually for nearly two generations. With affirmative action programs they are discriminated in favor of. Nevertheless, by every objective criteria they still lag very far behind. > > They also have a rate of violent crime that is about eight times the white rate. Are you suggesting that the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ended all racism and discrimination against black people in the US? That the forms of discrimination against Jews and Blacks were the same? That centuries of discrimination and social upheaval could be erased so quickly? I don’t know where to start with your argument, it fails on so many levels. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/125 "2012-05-31T13:41:39Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > You are a moron. If that is all you can do, you are. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/126 "2012-05-31T13:43:50Z")
> [@Harmonix](#): > > You have repeatedly made a genetics claim. > > It’s only fair that you provide genetics based proof. I already have here: [http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx#id\_d90f8fc5-74e1-46ab-bd03-eafd0730133a](http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx#id_d90f8fc5-74e1-46ab-bd03-eafd0730133a) ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/127 "2012-05-31T13:49:52Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > That’s because we don’t have to. Black people do test lower than white people on IQ tests. Thing is, that’s not your argument. You have to prove that the difference is genetic in origin. We very much have proven that this is highly unlikely. > > Also, way to use liberal as an insult. You are supposedly a New Deal Democrat. The New Deal was liberal. You have not proven _anything_. Blacks tend to perform poorly on all the mental aptitude tests however they are designed. Efforts to bridge the race gap in performance always fail. The New Deal was liberal for its time. Because New Deal programs were usually successful the Democrats dominated the United States until the election of Richard Nixon in 1968. During the 1960s liberals made mistakes that have turned the United States into a Republican country. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/128 "2012-05-31T13:52:59Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Are you suggesting that the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ended all racism and discrimination against black people in the US? That the forms of discrimination against Jews and Blacks were the same? That centuries of discrimination and social upheaval could be erased so quickly? > > I don’t know where to start with your argument, it fails on so many levels. Blacks often claim discrimination when they are discriminated against on the basis of what correlates with race. Black students are more likely to be expelled from school, but they are more likely to be disruptive in class. Blacks are less likely to pass mental aptitude tests, but they are less likely to have the intelligence to pass the tests. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/129 "2012-05-31T13:55:15Z")
To get back to the OP: Shut the fuck up, bigot. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/130 "2012-05-31T13:57:44Z")
> [@typoink](#): > > Etymology was a poor word choice on my part. The problem with “Oriental” isn’t it’s derivation, it’s the Imperialist / othering connotations it acquired in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. > > The objections are overstated, but it had become a more loaded term than just meaning “from the east.” I prefer “Asiatic.” Sounds at once more menacing and kewler than “Asian.” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/131 "2012-05-31T14:15:12Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Blacks often claim discrimination when they are discriminated against on the basis of what correlates with race. How odd that they should claim racial discrimination in instances where race appears to be the primary factor in that discrimination. Naturally you are asserting that they’re really being discriminated against because of their natural racial inferiority rather than their race per se, which has the neat effect of allowing one to be a racist AND blame it on the people being discriminated against. Winning! > [@](#): > > Black students are more likely to be expelled from school, but they are more likely to be disruptive in class. Which, if true, has a lot more to do with socio-economic circumstances than with genes. > [@](#): > > Blacks are less likely to pass mental aptitude tests, but they are less likely to have the intelligence to pass the tests. As nice an example of begging the question and circular reasoning as one could find anywhere. Well done. “We know blacks don’t do well on mental aptitude tests because they’re stupid, and we know they’re stupid because they don’t do well on mental aptitude tests! Quod Erat Dumbass!” ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/132 "2012-05-31T14:15:21Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > To get back to the OP: > Shut the fuck up, bigot. You might be able to silence the truth for awhile, but you cannot change it. Eventually the truth will come out. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/133 "2012-05-31T14:17:50Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Naturally you are asserting that they’re really being discriminated against because of their natural racial inferiority rather than their race per se, which has the neat effect of allowing one to be a racist AND blame it on the people being discriminated against. Winning!Which, if true, has a lot more to do with socio-economic circumstances than with genes. Why to poor Orientals behave so well in school? Why do they perform so well? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/134 "2012-05-31T14:19:01Z")
> [@jlzania](#): > > That’s supposed to be a justification? Wouldn’t the assumption be that if you have the intelligence to rise to a position of power you would also have the economic acumen not to sell toxic mortgages? > Do you think these men staggeringly incompetent or just immoral? I am not justifying white collar crime. I am only saying that it requires more intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/135 "2012-05-31T14:21:19Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > You stomp your feet and make non-stop racist declarative statements in every thread you post. **AND** you call us close minded? I am not stomping my feet at all. I am calmly presenting my arguments. The foot stomping you hear is caused by those who insult me because they cannot refute my arguments. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/136 "2012-05-31T14:26:29Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > All true, but you’re like a guy who wanders into a Church picnic and points out that there really isn’t much evidence that Jesus was resurrected. > > The main differences are that (1) modern Christians tend to be a lot less nasty than Leftists when it comes to those who question their dogma; and (2) most modern Christians are reasonable enough to admit that their beliefs are a matter of faith – they don’t insist that their beliefs have been scientifically proven or that anyone who doesn’t accept their beliefs is stupid or evil or both. Conservatives deny scientific evidence and plausibility when they deny man made global warming. Nevertheless, they do not become angry when the subject comes up. When one argues that intelligence is of primary importance in determining success in life, that it is primarily determined genetically, and that whites tend to have quite a bit more of it than blacks many liberal become screaming masses of irrationally, anger, and hatred. :eek: This indicates that they do now really believe what they say. People do not become angry when beliefs they are confident in are questioned. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/137 "2012-05-31T14:43:42Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I am not stomping my feet at all. I am calmly presenting my arguments. The foot stomping you hear is caused by those who insult me because they cannot refute my arguments. “Negroez is dumb just cuz they is!!!@ Science sez so!!1” is not what I’d call an “argument,” even by the loose standards of this forum. I’m sure the puke-covered homeless guy on the subway ranting about how Wolf Blitzer and the Salvation Army engineered 9/11 staggers back to his cardboard hovel buoyed by his cringing audience’s failure to “refute” his “arguments” too. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/138 "2012-05-31T15:13:37Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Why to poor Orientals behave so well in school? Why do they perform so well? Lol, pack your bags because you are about to take a ride on the excuse train. Also known as “Occam’s Butterknife,” where people invent elaborate explanations so they can avoid the simple, reasonable conclusion that the Egalitarian Hypothesis is false. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/139 "2012-05-31T15:23:04Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I am not stomping my feet at all. I am calmly presenting my arguments. The foot stomping you hear is caused by those who insult me because they cannot refute my arguments. No, we do both. Debunk you **and** insult you. Your foot stomp comes when we don’t accept your laughably false statements (the presence/absence of “urban civilizations” or “writing” in Africa, for example). ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/140 "2012-05-31T15:34:12Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Why to poor Orientals behave so well in school? Why do they perform so well? No idea, but I would WAG Tiger Momming has something to do with it. There certainly is a lot of peer pressure and expectations (nay, demands) of academic brilliance and/or work from Korean, Chinese and Japanese parents who live their lives along traditional cultural principles. It also happens to be an oppressive and socially stunting environment ; and the social shunning involved when the children dare break from or defy this traditional upbringing is nothing short of shameful, but that’s another matter. What it is, however, is not genetic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=8)