# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 70
**Author:** ![gunnergoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e95f7d/32.png) [@gunnergoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gunnergoz)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1381 "2012-06-11T19:56:05Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > (snip)… > Over a period of many generations civilization breeds civilized people. Savage conditions breed people who are currently revealing their savagery everywhere in the world that they live. OK, so _that_ explains Predator drone strikes on wedding parties… What pseudo-philosophical hogwash some people subscribe to, then crow about as if it were elevated thinking. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1382 "2012-06-11T19:58:58Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > So what? The reasonable interpretation of Post #918 is that he was answering the question he quoted. And I never contradicted myself. It’s funny- he still hasn’t provided any contradiction. The things I said in both post 918 and 1100 are true (and haven’t been refuted)- and they don’t contradict each other. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1383 "2012-06-11T20:04:13Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > So what? It is still a fact that blacks have a rate of violent crime that is nearly eight times the white crime rate. Consequently, race profiling and a high incarceration rate for blacks are legitimate ways to reduce the crime rate. > > Also, let us assume that the enduring race gap in intellectual performance is due exclusively to white racism. It still exists. As a result few blacks should be admitted to college, and few should be advanced to positions that require superior intelligence. Of course, this is the real agenda all along. The bullshit about science and genetics is just a smoke screen. **NDD** , based on his own prejudice, merely seeks to find some kind of rationalization to violate the constitutional rights of blacks. The pretext doesn’t really matter. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1384 "2012-06-11T20:17:35Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > This is a good rundown on the US black white test score gap: > > [The U.S. Black/White Test-Score Gap (E2) – backintyme](http://backintyme.wordpress.com/article/the-u-s-black-white-test-score-gap-e2-k16kl3c2f2au-21/) > > Essentially, the gap exists, it’s significant, it’s not genetic. It’s not observed uniformly across all populations of African descent, and degrees of African descent vary widely among people who called/or are called “black”. > > I’ll add that the real gap is now about 11 points, not 15, and that it varies from state to state, with the lowest recently observed gap being 8 points, 92 vs 100, in Nebraska. > > No one really disputes that black American women are more likely than whites and other ethnic groups to miscarry pregnancies, and that black American women are more likely to have pregnancies involving vitamin deficiencies that affect fetal development. Once born, black infants have higher mortality rates. Black children are more likely to be neglected and abused by their parents, and more likely to be abandoned outright. > > Black American women have higher abortion rates than either white or Hispanic women, and those black children that are born are typically born to never married mothers (over 2/3’s of the births). These are pregnancies and births occurring in suboptimal conditions much or most of the time. Leaving aside for the time being ethical judgments and questions of blame, it isn’t hugely surprising that this cohort would score poorly on standardized tests. > > My personal opinions: we are probably looking at a gradient effect within the black American population. College educated black women don’t reproduce at anywhere near the replacement level. Poor black women have a lot more kids, so every new generation starts more or less at zero without much in the way of cultural or economic capital. > > There is also the question of neuro-plasticity: the way the very structure of the brain changes due to interaction with the environment. Someone born blind who suddenly regains sight at fifteen still won’t be able to see in the way that we do. The parts of the brain that process visual stimuli simply didn’t develop, and at fifteen, it’s too late. Analogous processes are at work for proficiency in musical performance and speaking languages. After puberty, it’s almost impossible to learn to speak a foreign language without an accent, or to begin mastering a musical instrument for the highest levels of classical performance. You may very well have the innate musical ability to play the cello like Yo Yo Ma, or the trumpet like Wynton Marsalis, but you’ll never do it if you start at 25. > > Another factor may be social status. We know that social status in and of itself can have significant effects on health. Does the social status of the mother affect the development of the fetus? It appears to do so in baboons. Maybe it works the same way for other social primates. I agree that much of the difference in IQ test performance is the result of differences in environment, more nurture than nature, which is why you see larger gaps in IQ between poor blacks and poor whites than you do between middle class blacks versus middle class whites but you DO still see a difference between middle class blacks and whites. Are we saying that this gap is also attributable to the things you point out? > [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > [The Black-White Test Score Gap](http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jencks-gap.html) intersting > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > My point is that IQ tests measure one’s ability to learn what matters in an urban civilization. Errm. IQ is supposed to measure g. If you assume that such a thing as g exists then it is supposed to provide cognitive advantages across the entire spectrum otherwise you are undercutting the notion of g and therefore undercutting the relevance of IQ tests generally. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The per capita gross domestic product of Haiti is $1,200. This is one of the lowest in the world, and lower than for any country in Latin America. Nearly all of the countries with lower standards of living than Haiti are Negro countries. > > Haiti shares an island with the Dominican Republic. The black population there is much lower. The per capita gross domestic product in the Dominican Republic is $9,300. > > I have read that one flying over that island can easily tell the border between Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Haiti is red from deforested soil. The Dominican Republic is lush and green. You should try looking at satellite photos of the Korean peninsula. There is a pretty dramatic difference in height and IQ as well. Maybe the North Koreans have been breeding with the San. > [@gunnergoz](#): > > OK, so _that_ explains Predator drone strikes on wedding parties… > > What pseudo-philosophical hogwash some people subscribe to, then crow about as if it were elevated thinking. To be fair there is a lot of frustration with how ineffective social ebngineering has been in closing the gaps between blacks and whites. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1385 "2012-06-11T20:19:12Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Of course, this is the real agenda all along. The bullshit about science and genetics is just a smoke screen. **NDD** , based on his own prejudice, merely seeks to find some kind of rationalization to violate the constitutional rights of blacks. The pretext doesn’t really matter. What can whites do to bring blacks up to our standards of behavior and performance? Why will it work better that previous failed efforts, most recently No Child Left Behind? How much will it cost? Why do you think it will succeed, when previous efforts have failed? When will you get tired of making excuses for those people? I got tired a lon-g-g-g time ago. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1386 "2012-06-11T20:27:03Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > What can whites do to bring blacks up to our standards of behavior and performance? Why will it work better that previous failed efforts, most recently No Child Left Behind? How much will it cost? Why do you think it will succeed, when previous efforts have failed? > > When will you get tired of making excuses for those people? I got tired a lon-g-g-g time ago. And none of this has anything to do with genetics. None of this supports your hypothesis. Nothing you’ve posted so far has supported your hypothesis. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1387 "2012-06-11T20:29:15Z")
I too am upset that No Child Left Behing didn’t bring about the drastic evolutional changes that racists demanded. Fucking Darwin didn’t know shit. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1388 "2012-06-11T20:46:03Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And none of this has anything to do with genetics. None of this supports your hypothesis. Nothing you’ve posted so far has supported your hypothesis. Saying that does not make it true. As time goes on fewer and fewer whites and Orientals will listen to people like you. We will act on the results of the most recent findings in genetic research. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1389 "2012-06-11T20:47:21Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > What can whites do to bring blacks up to our standards of behavior and performance? The “standards of behavior” of white people have included the most hideous atrocities in human history, justified by exactly the kind of rationalizations you’ve espoused here. As long as white people include stupid and vicious assholes like you, no moral or behavioral “superiority” can be claimed. > [@](#): > > When will you get tired of making excuses for those people? I got tired a lon-g-g-g time ago. I’ve not made any such argument. But there’s no excuse that can be made for the intransigent ignorance of someone like you. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1390 "2012-06-11T20:48:31Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > We will act on the results of the most recent findings in genetic research. What acts exactly would those be? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1391 "2012-06-11T20:51:33Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > What acts exactly would those be? An end to forced school busing, affirmative action, and Aid to Families with Dependent Children, free abortion on demand, and a draconian criminal justice system. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1392 "2012-06-11T20:52:31Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Saying that does not make it true. As time goes on fewer and fewer whites and Orientals will listen to people like you. We will act on the results of the most recent findings in genetic research. There are zero current findings in genetic research that support your explanation for the achievement gap. Why should I believe an explanation that has no supporting evidence? I’ve said it again and again, but the only kind of evidence that can possibly ever support a genetic explanation is genetic evidence. You have none. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1393 "2012-06-11T21:00:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There are zero current findings in genetic research that support your explanation for the achievement gap. Why should I believe an explanation that has no supporting evidence? I’ve said it again and again, but the only kind of evidence that can possibly ever support a genetic explanation is genetic evidence. You have none. Say that a hundred times looking in the mirror and you might begin to believe it yourself. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1394 "2012-06-11T21:02:54Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Say that a hundred times looking in the mirror and you might begin to believe it yourself. All you’ve got is education and crime statistics. All you can do is state that the achievement gap exists. The only support you have for your genetic explanation is your own opinions and assertions. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1395 "2012-06-11T21:37:00Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Saying that does not make it true. As time goes on fewer and fewer whites and Orientals will listen to people like you. A lie of historical proportions because in reality history shows that it is going the other way around, I can only see you as Jeremy, seeing his circles in nowhere land becoming smaller and smaller as time goes by. ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1396 "2012-06-11T22:11:16Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > An end to forced school busing, affirmative action, and Aid to Families with Dependent Children, free abortion on demand, and a draconian criminal justice system. LOL, this is exactly how it is now minus the cessation of WIC. I’ve always liked the\* The Bell Curve \*approach: “Give the terrible, evil, good-for-nothing blacks money so they won’t beat us up”. Is there anyway I can convince you that this is a better solution? Hating on blacks is such an old, time-honored tradition that even the “[white minorities](http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/11/us-israel-africans-idUSBRE85A0VI20120611)” are doing it: [QUOTE=Eli Yishai] “I’m not acting out of hatred of strangers but love of my people and to rescue the homeland.” [/QUOTE] Sounds like the lot of you. Least Mr. Yishai has the balls to say it. - Honesty ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1397 "2012-06-11T22:11:21Z")
> [@](#): > > I agree that much of the difference in IQ test performance is the result of differences in environment, more nurture than nature, which is why you see larger gaps in IQ between poor blacks and poor whites than you do between middle class blacks versus middle class whites but you DO still see a difference between middle class blacks and whites. Are we saying that this gap is also attributable to the things you point out? Sure. Income is only a rough proxy for environment, and problems I referenced exist at higher levels among black Americans in all income groups. We still see a gap between middle class black Americans and middle class white Americans. Data from other populations of African descent vary, but there’s no consistent gap. The test score gap is primarily an American phenomenon. In Britain, for example, the real laggards are poor white boys, who test behind everyone else, and appear to be falling further behind. > **[Working class white boys still at bottom of learning table, despite millions...](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343231/Working-class-white-boys-learning-table-despite-millions-spent-Labour.html)** > > Figures from the Department for Education show white boys from poor homes achieved the worst results of any group last year and now do far worse than black boys from similar backgrounds. > **[Half school 'failures' are white working-class boys, says report](https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jun/22/education.schools)** > > · Ethnic minority pupils less likely to be bottom of class · Quarter of all state pupils get no more than D grades ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1398 "2012-06-11T22:13:02Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Say that a hundred times looking in the mirror and you might begin to believe it yourself. That’s evidently the method by which you’ve come by your own convictions. ---
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1399 "2012-06-11T23:03:10Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > The test score gap is primarily an American phenomenon. In Britain, for example, the real laggards are poor white boys, who test behind everyone else, and appear to be falling further behind. Perhaps NDD can tell us what sub-species of whiteness, these English boys are. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1400 "2012-06-11T23:10:53Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > As time goes on fewer and fewer whites and Orientals will listen to people like you. We will act on the results of the most recent findings in genetic research. _puff, puff_ good shit, right ? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=69) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=71)