# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1441 "2012-06-12T14:28:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > For me, I enjoy it. And I believe the best way to defeat pseudoscientific thinking (like “race realism”) is to challenge it and pick it apart. I don’t expect I’ll change NDD’s mind, but hopefully other readers might learn something from this thread on how to challenge and pick apart such thinking. Enjoy isn’t exactly the right word, but I will say I’ve learned a lot about genetics from the informative posts of those bothering to argue with this moron. I’ve been really trying to muster up as much compassion as I can, but the ‘‘all felons should be executed’’ thing just makes it really hard to view NDD as anything other than a monster. I’m really just in awe of how inhuman some humans can be. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1442 "2012-06-12T14:44:13Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Enjoy isn’t exactly the right word, but I will say I’ve learned a lot about genetics from the informative posts of those bothering to argue with this moron. > > I’ve been really trying to muster up as much compassion as I can, but the ‘‘all felons should be executed’’ thing just makes it really hard to view NDD as anything other than a monster. I’m really just in awe of how inhuman some humans can be. I really do not think all felons should be executed. I was responding tongue in cheek to this preposterous thread: “All religious people should be executed” > **[All religious people should be executed](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=566782)** > > The way I’m thinking this is that all of the religious people in the world should be executed. Now I’m aware that there are a lot of religious people in the world - probably the majority. So if the population of the world is 6 billion I would... I do favor more and longer prison sentences under harsher conditions. I am convinced that this is the only practical means of reducing the crime rate. Since 1980 the prison population has tripled. The crime rate has declined by one third. In addition I think we should eliminate AFDC, and institute free abortion on demand. The high cost of incarceration can be reduced by the thorough exploitation of prison labor. There must be work that is too painful and dangerous for free labor to perform. Convicts should be forced to do this work in order to pay their debts to society. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1443 "2012-06-12T14:45:59Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > Why are you people even engaging this guy? He’s an admitted dyed in the wool racist and that’s not going to change. I will change when blacks perform and behave as well as whites. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1444 "2012-06-12T14:52:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > None of this says anything at all about genetics. Also, the conclusions of the Daily Mail link posted by **Belowjob2.0** are the opposite- in that study, poor white kids actually do _worse_ in school than poor black kids. The reason it does not say anything about genetics is because for many this remains a forbidden topic. I have read studies of the persistent race gap in academic performance and mental aptitude test scores. Every explanation _but_ the genetic explanation will be discussed and discarded as insufficient. The conclusion will be, “We really do not why the race gap continues.” Actually, they do know. Unfortunately, they lack the intellectual integrity to reveal what they know. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1445 "2012-06-12T15:07:04Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I will change when blacks perform and behave as well as whites. You must agree that blacks are not [treated as well](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_C._Baldus#Equal_Justice_and_the_Death_Penalty_study) in this society as whites. How could they be expected to perform as well as whites, even assuming a reasonable “performance” metric exists? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1446 "2012-06-12T15:11:51Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The reason it does not say anything about genetics is because for many this remains a forbidden topic. I have read studies of the persistent race gap in academic performance and mental aptitude test scores. Every explanation _but_ the genetic explanation will be discussed and discarded as insufficient. The conclusion will be, “We really do not why the race gap continues.” Only in your mind. You’ve been provided with multiple bits of scientific literature to the contrary, inckuding a very recent and very comprehensive review that gives specific consideration to all your favorites. Other explanantions have much more support than your pre-selected explanation. Just because you did not read or understand what you’ve been provided doesn’t mean it does not exist. It just means that it refutes your racist preferences. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1447 "2012-06-12T15:28:17Z")
It is very amusing to see NDD use the word integrity as we consider he ignores all the evidences in front of him and simply avoids acknowledgement of his self-contradictions. Of course it is clear to everyone that his ideas have no logic in them. It makes no sense as a hypothesis to claim that there is a black genetic race, and that it is solely these genetics that explain whatever he does not like about black americans, when we see from every charting of population genetics that first sub saharan africans are most genetically diverse and they do not cluster together coherently, and that his black americans he so hates are themselves of significant asian and european descent. And as we have seen, when it is not about black people, he readily goes to the cultural and enviornmental explanation as we all read earlier in this very thread. Funny to then claim integrety. All this is only about his sad beliefs that he is not intelligent enough to update. I am sure he could find cultural reasons to continue to despise black americans. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1448 "2012-06-12T15:35:28Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Are you under the impression that this is somehow a convincing argument? It does seem to explain the direct dick\<—\>brain connection most guys seem to have. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1449 "2012-06-12T15:36:26Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The reason it does not say anything about genetics is because for many this remains a forbidden topic. I have read studies of the persistent race gap in academic performance and mental aptitude test scores. Every explanation _but_ the genetic explanation will be discussed and discarded as insufficient. The conclusion will be, “We really do not why the race gap continues.” > > Actually, they do know. Unfortunately, they lack the intellectual integrity to reveal what they know. Ah, the old “they’d admit I’m right if only they weren’t so dishonest” schtick, with a side of “there _would_ be evidence proving me right if only weren’t suppressing it”. You’ve strayed into full-on CT-land, my friend. Turn back while you still can! ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1450 "2012-06-12T15:52:29Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I will change when blacks perform and behave as well as whites. We know black\* individuals can outperform white individuals at every conceivable thing, and vice versa, once the playing field is leveled. So, it can’t be on the individual level. Therefore, it’s _not_ genetic; ergo you’re an ignorant, close-minded racist. Possibly a sociopath or an agent from the Matrix. Hard to tell over the Internet. Which fallacy, in your opinion – err, I mean assertion – did I use now? [For your convenience.](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/) \*What the hell is your definition of a black race anyway? How are you defining/quantifying it? Are you just basing it off melanin levels, or some sort of ray-cist-dar gun? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1451 "2012-06-12T15:54:36Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Ah, the old “they’d admit I’m right if only they weren’t so dishonest” schtick, with a side of “there _would_ be evidence proving me right if only weren’t suppressing it”. You’ve strayed into full-on CT-land, my friend. Turn back while you still can! It’s too late for him. Just pinch your nose and look away. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1452 "2012-06-12T16:56:59Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Rushton has said, “You can have a large penis, or a large brain. You can’t have both.” He says that large penises correlate with having illegitimate children, while large brains correlate with superior intelligence. Nice try, but that’s not the only thing Rushton says. Rushton also correlates it with having multiple sexual partners and the ability to satisfy multiple sexual partners. Anyway, since you insisted that we shouldn’t regard Rushton as a quack after he was disciplined by his boss for going to a local mall and pestering people with such questions as “How big is your penis when erect”, “how many sexual partners have you had in the past five years” and “how far can you ejaculate”? So, since you defend such practices. A)How large is your penis when erect? B)How many female sexual partners have you had in the last five years? C)How far can you ejaculate? The answers will certainly help us determine whether Rushton was right about the anatomical inferiorities of white men. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1453 "2012-06-12T17:09:56Z")
Don’t forget that if one of “his” sources publishes something that disagrees with him, they’re merely bowing under pressure to throw a bone to political correctness. They really agree with him deep down; they’re just not allowed to say so publicly. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1454 "2012-06-12T17:23:26Z")
Responding more seriously to this penis idea of Rushton, is it not itself inherently illogical in the face of the evolution humans? First, it appears that humans have more prominent sexual characteristics than the chimpanzees, and [the penis of humans is larger than any other primates penis by proportion or by body size or absolutely.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis#cite_note-6) It makes no sense to assert a hypothesis of a trade off between brain and penis size or intelligence and penis size when the demonstrated evolution shows both penis size and brain size or intelligence increased at the same time in humanity. It has no evolutionary logic to support it, and it is a Esope’s fable type story in the face of what the evolutionary evidence would say. What real genetic and evolutionary logic would there be that intelligence and penis both increased over evolution until what only the moment that the white people came along? Does this show any sense? But this is the argument style of the racists now as they stare in the face of the science. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1455 "2012-06-12T17:27:53Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I really do not think all felons should be executed. Well, that’s a relief. Seriously. > [@](#): > > In addition I think we should eliminate AFDC Good news, everybody! AFDC was eliminated in 1996! > [@](#): > > The high cost of incarceration can be reduced by the thorough exploitation of prison labor. There must be work that is too painful and dangerous for free labor to perform. Convicts should be forced to do this work in order to pay their debts to society. Aaand, once again, the inhumanity shines through. I’m sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1456 "2012-06-12T17:59:28Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Good news, everybody! AFDC was eliminated in 1996! You can’t expect logic from him. Remember the whole reason he hates black people is because a girl he was hung up on wound up going out with a black guy. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1457 "2012-06-12T18:41:13Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > An end to forced school busing, affirmative action, and Aid to Families with Dependent Children, free abortion on demand, and a draconian criminal justice system. So, getting rid of welfare for children is good for society how? A draconian criminal justice system is almost by definition a bad thing. > [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > …[Working class white boys still at bottom of learning table, despite millions spent by Labour | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343231/Working-class-white-boys-learning-table-despite-millions-spent-Labour.html) > > [Half school 'failures' are white working-class boys, says report | UK news | The Guardian](http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jun/22/education.schools) Interesting. I have heard that issues of class are more prominent than they are here in the USA. > [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > …then he hurriedly typed out a post insisting that “heterosexual women” didn’t really care about how small a man’s penis was. > > The whole thing was quite revealing. IME, insecure heterosexual males care more about penis size than anyone else. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > As time goes on scientific efforts to detect criminal inclinations will become more precise. Doubtful. I can predict criminality based on zip code and tax bracket a lot more accurately than you ever could with a genetic test. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Charles Murray is a respected political scientist. You do realize that politics is not an actual science, right? > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > …Broadly speaking, the mean scores of Black Caribbean, Black African, Black Other, Pakistani and Bangladeshi students are below the mean for their White > British peers, while the mean scores for Chinese, Indian and Irish students are higher than the mean of their White British peers… How are Indians genetically distinct from Bangladeshi and Pakistani? > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I really do not think all felons should be executed. I was responding tongue in cheek to this preposterous thread: > … > I do favor more and longer prison sentences under harsher conditions. I am convinced that this is the only practical means of reducing the crime rate. Since 1980 the prison population has tripled. The crime rate has declined by one third. > > In addition I think we should eliminate AFDC, and institute free abortion on demand. > > The high cost of incarceration can be reduced by the thorough exploitation of prison labor. There must be work that is too painful and dangerous for free labor to perform. Convicts should be forced to do this work in order to pay their debts to society. Free labor? Didn’t we try that before? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1458 "2012-06-12T18:51:07Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > Why are you people even engaging this guy? He’s an admitted dyed in the wool racist and that’s not going to change. I know we fight ignorance, but come on. Pick your battles. This isn’t a battle. This is more like playing chess against a chicken. I’m mainly just interested in what new demented thing he’s going to come up with. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1459 "2012-06-12T18:59:14Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > This isn’t a battle. This is more like playing chess against a chicken. I’m mainly just interested in what new demented thing he’s going to come up with. Best. Metaphor. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1460 "2012-06-12T19:05:15Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > > [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > > > Why are you people even engaging this guy? He’s an admitted dyed in the wool racist and that’s not going to change. I know we fight ignorance, but come on. Pick your battles. > > I honestly do it because I enjoy seeing racists squirm. It’s obviously bugging him like crazy that we don’t think he’s right, and that we can so easily refute him. Exactly. Sometimes you fight ignorance. Other times, you just feel like annoying ignorance by poking at it with a stick. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=72) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=74)