# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 74
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1461 "2012-06-12T20:07:32Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Exactly. Sometimes you fight ignorance. Other times, you just feel like annoying ignorance by poking at it with a stick. What don’t I know that if I did know would convince me that the various races are biologically equal? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1462 "2012-06-12T20:13:11Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Responding more seriously to this penis idea of Rushton, is it not itself inherently illogical in the face of the evolution humans? > > First, it appears that humans have more prominent sexual characteristics than the chimpanzees, and [the penis of humans is larger than any other primates penis by proportion or by body size or absolutely.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis#cite_note-6) It makes no sense to assert a hypothesis of a trade off between brain and penis size or intelligence and penis size when the demonstrated evolution shows both penis size and brain size or intelligence increased at the same time in humanity. > > It has no evolutionary logic to support it, and it is a Esope’s fable type story in the face of what the evolutionary evidence would say. What real genetic and evolutionary logic would there be that intelligence and penis both increased over evolution until what only the moment that the white people came along? Does this show any sense? > > But this is the argument style of the racists now as they stare in the face of the science. So what they’re really afraid of is that if blacks are allowed to compete freely and fairly in all areas of society they’ll soon overtake the tiny-dicked white population who will go the way of the Neanderthal? It’s twue! It’s twue! That’s my _arm_. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1463 "2012-06-12T20:15:55Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > What don’t I know that if I did know would convince me that the various races are biologically equal? 😕 Given that you’ve resolutely ignored or denied all the information you’ve been given that the races as you define them don’t even exist, I would say nothing. Your fundamental lack is not information, but the capacity to evaluate it objectively. You start out with a bigoted set of opinions, and then interpret information to fit in with them, ignoring anything that doesn’t conform. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1464 "2012-06-12T20:20:30Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > What don’t I know that if I did know would convince me that the various races are biologically equal? 😕 Science. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1465 "2012-06-12T20:29:40Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > So what they’re really afraid of is that if blacks are allowed to compete freely and fairly in all areas of society they’ll soon overtake the tiny-dicked white population who will go the way of the Neanderthal? > . > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > What don’t I know that if I did know would convince me that the various races are biologically equal? 😕 It is very amusing how you keep assuming your races have any validity. It is nothing more than a cultural fetish of yours. What you would know to convince you is that your races make no sense from a genetical point of view and you should transfer your argument to something else. It has been shown too many times that the 3 races make no sense at all for any of your arguments, and that your arguments self-contradict. Become a cultural racist then, you can then avoid being humiliated. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1466 "2012-06-12T20:30:30Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Science. That is an insufficient answer. What facts would I learn from science that would indicate that some races are not biologically superior to others? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1467 "2012-06-12T20:32:18Z")
The fact that people like you keep going to Rushton, an old dinosaur of bigotry whose ideas make no sense in the face of actual evolutionary history of humans and have no logical support from the genetic data that is present, or to Lynn who made up numbers by fantasy says all we need to know. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1468 "2012-06-12T20:34:54Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > That is an insufficient answer. What facts would I learn from science that would indicate that some races are not biologically superior to others? That your races show no coherence in any genetic standard should give you some idea that your logic has no thing to do with science at all. It is of course notable that many persons who are really informed in biology have made the observation that this does not say there are not some populations of real structure that do not have some advantages, superiorities in areas. It is only your ancient prejudices have no value in science and are incoherent. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1469 "2012-06-12T20:38:27Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > So what they’re really afraid of is that if blacks are allowed to compete freely and fairly in all areas of society they’ll soon overtake the tiny-dicked white population who will go the way of the Neanderthal? Few Americans think that blacks should not be “allowed to compete freely and fairly in all areas of society.” Nevertheless: June 3, 2009 - U.S. Voters Disagree 3-1 With Sotomayor On Key Case, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Most Say Abolish Affirmative Action American voters say 55 - 36 percent that affirmative action should be abolished, and disagree 71 - 19 percent with Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor’s ruling in the New Haven firefighters’ case, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. More than 70 percent of voters say diversity is not a good enough reason to give minorities preferential treatment in competition for government or private sector jobs, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University survey of more than 3,000 voters finds… “Whether it’s a belief that the statute of limitations on past wrongs has run out or economic pressures on workers, programs that supporters call affirmative action and opponents label racial preferences are unpopular with most American voters,” said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. [http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1307](http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1307) ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1470 "2012-06-12T20:40:42Z")
SCIENCE! SCIENCE! [SCIENCE!](http://memebase.com/2012/06/11/internet-memes-dropping-the-science-mixed-with-nocturnal-whale-emissions/) Sorry, I should have been more specific: The scientific method. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1471 "2012-06-12T20:41:39Z")
Et alors? What has this to do with genetics? And genetically based races? We all understand already you have a cultural hatred of black americans. It is boring. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1472 "2012-06-12T20:44:14Z")
I’ve gone from mad, to entertained, to really mad, to sad, to mad, to entertained again. Wooo! All aboard the NDD Coaster! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1473 "2012-06-12T20:45:41Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Few Americans think that blacks should not be “allowed to compete freely and fairly in all areas of society.” Well, ya got me. You have completely refuted a tangential point I didn’t make but which is sort of distantly related to an entirely ridiculous sentence I posted purely for humorous purposes (and as an excuse to quote _Blazing Saddles_). My entire argument has come crumbling down around me. Oh waily waily, whatever will become of me. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1474 "2012-06-12T21:14:18Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > That your races show no coherence in any genetic standard should give you some idea that your logic has no thing to do with science at all. > > It is of course notable that many persons who are really informed in biology have made the observation that this does not say there are not some populations of real structure that do not have some advantages, superiorities in areas. > > It is only your ancient prejudices have no value in science and are incoherent. For the assertion that “race is only a social construct” to be considered scientific, it must be testable. What are the circumstances that would disprove it? What I maintain is that race is a meaningful way of classifying people. People can be racially identified by DNA tests, as this news story demonstrates: * * * The New York Times April 12, 2006 Alan Moldawer’s adopted twins, Matt and Andrew, had always thought of themselves as white. But when it came time for them to apply to college last year, Mr. Moldawer thought it might be worth investigating the origins of their slightly tan-tinted skin, with a new DNA kit that he had heard could determine an individual’s genetic ancestry. The results, designating the boys 9 percent Native American and 11 percent northern African, arrived too late for the admissions process. But Mr. Moldawer, a business executive in Silver Spring, Md., says they could be useful in obtaining financial aid. > **[Seeking Ancestry in DNA Ties Uncovered by Tests (Published 2006)](https://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/12/us/seeking-ancestry-in-dna-ties-uncovered-by-tests.html)** > > Alan Moldawer's adopted twins, Matt and Andrew, had always thought of themselves as white. But when it came time for them to apply to college last year, Mr. Moldawer thought it might be worth investigating the origins of their slightly tan-tinted... * * * This story not only demonstrates that race is a meaningful concept that can be verified scientifically, but it demonstrates the injustice of affirmative action. Because these adopted twins were raised by a business executive we can assume that they were raised in fairly affluent circumstances. Nevertheless, if their adoptive father had had the DNA testing done earlier, they would have received preferences over 100 percent Caucasians with working class backgrounds. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1475 "2012-06-12T21:33:05Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > This story not only demonstrates that race is a meaningful concept that can be verified scientifically The population ancestry talked about in the article doesn’t remotely resemble your 3 races that you have been claiming all along, so if anything the article is evidence against your case. The article supports the idea of genetically relevant populations, but also goes to note how imprecise and jumbled peoples’ genetic ancestry is. The markers don’t define a property of the person’s race, but a history of their family tree. Once again you are determined to prove that you don’t read or comprehend the citations you use. Everything about AA is irrelevant to the thread; it’s a hijack complete unrelated to the scientific argument, demonstrating once again that race is a social construct. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1476 "2012-06-12T23:52:46Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > That is an insufficient answer. What facts would I learn from science that would indicate that some races are not biologically superior to others? As your posts show, you are incapable of learning from science. You’ve ignored all the facts that have been posted thus far. It would simply be pointless to post them again. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1477 "2012-06-13T00:09:36Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > What don’t I know that if I did know would convince me that the various races are biologically equal? 😕 > [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Science. Or history. Or comparative literature. There’s a number of approaches that would work here. All NDD needs to do is take that first step and admit he has a problem and needs help. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1478 "2012-06-13T00:17:06Z")
_ **Ringo** _: He’s so smart; he doesn’t even remember what he knows. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1479 "2012-06-13T01:22:55Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > There’s a number of approaches that would work here. All NDD needs to do is take that first step and admit he has a problem and needs help. I think he’s already turned his life over to a higher White Power. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1480 "2012-06-13T01:24:28Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > What in the blue fuck are they talking about? > > Are brazil84 and NDD the biggest idiots in the history of idiots? If you define “idiot” as someone who thinks about race and intelligence without being blinded by political correctness, I’d say we’re both in a pretty high percentile. By the way, I’m still waiting for an answer to the question I asked you in Post #748. It should be pretty easy for a genius like you, lol. > [@](#): > > Here’s a clue that you won’t get: those of us who aren’t actively participating with you two in this thread are laughing in derision at your idiocy on display. Lol, keep telling yourself that. Because it looks to me like you don’t having your position scrutinized. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=73) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=75)