# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 75
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1481 "2012-06-13T01:30:46Z")
Says the one that clams up and ignores the ones pointing at inconvenient evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1482 "2012-06-13T01:34:34Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > If you define “idiot” as someone who thinks about race and intelligence without being blinded by political correctness, I’d say we’re both in a pretty high percentile. No, we define “idiot” as “fucking moron,” and you’re both in the 99.99th percentile. > [@](#): > > Lol, keep telling yourself that. Because it looks to me like you don’t having your position scrutinized. Nah, we’ve scrutinized it carefully, and have verified that you’re both fucking morons. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1483 "2012-06-13T01:43:46Z")
As pointed out many times before, if it was true that they are in the high percentile then they should have no trouble at all in approaching the experts and showing the error of their ways, we should wait for the results… …Oh, my mistake, there were already experts that told them how stupid they are over here, never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1484 "2012-06-13T01:53:28Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > If you define “idiot” as someone who thinks about race and intelligence without being blinded by political correctness, I’d say we’re both in a pretty high percentile. > > By the way, I’m still waiting for an answer to the question I asked you in Post #748. It should be pretty easy for a genius like you, lol. > > Lol, keep telling yourself that. Because it looks to me like you don’t having your position scrutinized. So Brazzy, we know you’re really stupid, but you specifically accused me of refusing to answer “simple questions” about “[my]position”. For the third time, what were those, because I honestly don’t remember what you’re talking about. If I really did dodge some questions you have, it shouldn’t be difficult to produce them. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1485 "2012-06-13T02:04:01Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Good news, everybody! AFDC was eliminated in 1996! Why Fry, wasn’t that in your time? ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1486 "2012-06-13T02:26:48Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Well, that’s a relief. Seriously. > > Good news, everybody! AFDC was eliminated in 1996! > > Aaand, once again, the inhumanity shines through. I’m sorry. You noticed that too. Just about everything NDD wants has already come to pass: AFDC was eliminated. We have a justice system with considerably more draconian punishments than we had in the 60’s or what they have in Europe today. Affirmative action has been attacked in the courts and on the state ballot since the 1970’s. Overall it has greatly declined, and it has been banned outright in many states for state and local government jobs. Busing for racial balance has been eliminated in many jurisdictions and reduced in others in preference to other measures for integration. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1487 "2012-06-13T09:22:49Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > No, we define “idiot” as “fucking moron,” and you’re both in the 99.99th percentile. > > Nah, we’ve scrutinized it carefully, and have verified that you’re both fucking morons. Is that so? Or is it just nonsense; you are too blinded by political correctness to do so, and to you “fucking moron” is just someone who states the truth about race and intelligence? Let me ask you this: Do you pretty much agree with everything **cmyk** said leading up to Post #748? If so, what’s your answer to the question I asked in Post #748? If not, how do you disagree with **cmyk**? If you’ve really scrutinized his position carefully, it should be easy enough to answer these questions. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1488 "2012-06-13T09:34:43Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Is that so? Or is it just nonsense; you are too blinded by political correctness to do so, and to you “fucking moron” is just someone who states the truth about race and intelligence? To quote myself, > [@me](#): > > Ah, the old “they’d admit I’m right if only they weren’t so dishonest” schtick It does save time over actually having to have a defensible position; just saying “I’m right and you know it but you’re too blinded by dogma to admit it” over and over is so much easier. Needs more “Wake up, sheeple!” though. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1489 "2012-06-13T09:44:50Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > To quote myself,It does save time over actually having to have a defensible position; On the contrary, I am perfectly willing to discuss the merits – you are the one who is dodging such a discussion. Please answer my questions from Post #1038. TIA. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1490 "2012-06-13T11:32:31Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The New York Times April 12, 2006 > > Alan Moldawer’s adopted twins, Matt and Andrew, had always thought of themselves as white. But when it came time for them to apply to college last year, Mr. Moldawer thought it might be worth investigating the origins of their slightly tan-tinted skin, with a new DNA kit that he had heard could determine an individual’s genetic ancestry. > > The results, designating the boys 9 percent Native American and 11 percent northern African, arrived too late for the admissions process. But Mr. Moldawer, a business executive in Silver Spring, Md., says they could be useful in obtaining financial aid. > [http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/12/us/12genes.html?pagewanted=all](http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/12/us/12genes.html?pagewanted=all) I guess, we better kill them straight away and while we’re at it anyone that is not 100% [Aryan race](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race)… roll out mandatory DNA test and find out how many of those pure humans we can get rid of… read this scientific study [here](http://www.euvolution.com/neoeugenics/aryan_race.htm) ….. the interesting thing about the Aryan Races origin is, that it apparently originated in Iran/India – so this superior white race had its origin in none whites? Which leads me to believe, that there is no pure white in the whole wide world (maybe space on the dark side of the moon) - So, with this in mind, we might as well just commit genocide on the human race, just to be absolutely sure, there are no criminals, blacks, pink, green, yellow and mutated whites left in this world. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1491 "2012-06-13T11:59:28Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > On the contrary, I am perfectly willing to discuss the merits – you are the one who is dodging such a discussion. > > Please answer my questions from Post #1038. > > TIA. You are a fucking moron. Your questions in that post are moronic and most, if not all of them, have already been answered. Just because you don’t like the answers you got doesn’t mean that they were never answered. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1492 "2012-06-13T12:01:33Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > You are a fucking moron. Your questions in that post are moronic and most, if not all of them, have already been answered. i.e. you have no interest in actually subjecting your position to scrutiny. Better to just hurl insults. P.S. Please show me where the questions I asked in Post #1038 were answered. Please quote and link the answers. Failing that, please admit that you are wrong and apologize. ETA: By the way, are you now conceding that **iiandyiiii** actually did answer the question he quoted in Post #918? And that his answer appears right after the quoted question? ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1493 "2012-06-13T12:20:49Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > i.e. you have no interest in actually subjecting your position to scrutiny. Better to just hurl insults. > > P.S. Please show me where the questions I asked in Post #1038 were answered. Please quote and link the answers. > > Failing that, please admit that you are wrong and apologize. > > ETA: By the way, are you now conceding that **iiandyiiii** actually did answer the question he quoted in Post #918? And that his answer appears right after the quoted question? What are you on about and since when am I designated as the guy to explain things to you that you are too stupid to understand? ETA: Oh, and I subjected my position to scrutiny way back there and you didn’t understand it then, and I doubt you’d understand it now. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1494 "2012-06-13T12:24:02Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > What are you on about and since when am I designated as the guy to explain things to you :shrug: You are asserting that most or all of the questions I have asked have been answered. I am seriously skeptical of this claim and asking that you prove it by quoting and linking the answers to the questions I asked in Post #1038. In other words, put up or shut up. (Although somehow I expect you will do neither.) Also, are you now conceding that iiandyiiii actually did answer the question he quoted in Post #918? And that his answer appears right after the quoted question? ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1495 "2012-06-13T12:56:31Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > :shrug: You are asserting that most or all of the questions I have asked have been answered. I am seriously skeptical of this claim and asking that you prove it by quoting and linking the answers to the questions I asked in Post #1038. > > In other words, put up or shut up. (Although somehow I expect you will do neither.) > > Also, are you now conceding that iiandyiiii actually did answer the question he quoted in Post #918? And that his answer appears right after the quoted question? Sigh… haven’t we gone through this before? Even if I take the time to do your work for you, you’ll just ask the same thing all over again and want me to do it again. I’ll say he answered the question you asked with his post 918 and you’ll say that you never mentioned black or white, then I’ll quote your entire post where you do mention white people and you’ll say that he didn’t quote that part. Do we really have to go through the same things time after time? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1496 "2012-06-13T12:56:42Z")
I thought this thread had moved on too far, but if it really bothers you: > [@brazil84](#): > > Are there any consequences to this claim? Or is it simply an observation you are making? The consequences being that **NDD** ’s theory about the group cannot be true. > [@](#): > > Lol, that doesn’t shed any light on what you mean. I don’t see anyone else having problems with it. > [@](#): > > So any group which is described by criteria “exists” in your view? The criteria are what define membership of the group. I’m not intending to get ontological here; if you want to do basic scientific comparisons of two populations you have to clearly define what those populations are in terms relevant to the comparison. If you’re comparing genetic populations, you have to define what genes or genetic factors define those populations. And no, “any” group defined by criteria does not automatically exist - I could talk about all blue unicorns named Henry and that wouldn’t make them exist. > [@](#): > > Umm, does “ethnic Germans” exist or not? It’s a simple yes or no question. Seriously, I can’t help you with your reading comprehension problems. Yes, they exist as a self-defined group. > [@](#): > > Umm, does “Ashkenazim” exist or not? Yes. Do I need to explain this using sock puppets? > [@](#): > > Does “Mongoloids” exist or not? See, this is why I ignored this post. You’re repeating questions I just answered. If you’re too stupid to understand them, I can’t help you. But don’t worry - it’s probably genetic. > [@](#): > > I see nothing in post 1020 which contains this argument. Can you quote him where he does so? This is what I said: > [@me](#): > > This is a bad argument: “Population X share a phenotype and a geographic and cultural background. They do Y. They must therefore also share a genotype to which we can attribute Y.” Do you not understand why this is a bad argument? This is what **NDD** said: > [@New Deal Democrat](#): > > It certainly does indicate genetic propensities toward inferior intelligence and crime. > > In 1900 the United States was full of impoverished immigrants from Europe. The murder rate was estimated at 1.2 percent per 100,000 inhabitants. > > [List of lists of lists - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of)…\_to\_1999#1900s > > Currently it is 4.8 percent, after rising to 10.2 percent in 1980. > > [http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm](http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm) > > Clearly other factors influence the crime rate in addition to poverty. An important factor is the likelihood and severity of punishment. Since 1980 the prison population has tripled. > > [Home | Bureau of Justice Statistics](http://bjs.gov/content/glance/corrtyp.cfm) > > In 1900 several hundred people were executed every year. Conditions in prisons were worse than now. Police frequently beat suspects under custody. This was an obvious violation of the Forth Amendment. It also seems to have been effective. To break it down: “Population X share a phenotype and a geographic and cultural background. They do Y.” > [@NDD](#): > > In 1900 the United States was full of impoverished immigrants from Europe. The murder rate was estimated at 1.2 percent per 100,000 inhabitants. > > [List of lists of lists - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of)…\_to\_1999#1900s > > Currently it is 4.8 percent, after rising to 10.2 percent in 1980. > > [http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm](http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm) > > Clearly other factors influence the crime rate in addition to poverty. An important factor is the likelihood and severity of punishment. Since 1980 the prison population has tripled. > > [Home | Bureau of Justice Statistics](http://bjs.gov/content/glance/corrtyp.cfm) See? Population X doing Y. Then - My phrasing: “They must therefore also share a genotype to which we can attribute Y.” His phrasing: > [@NDD](#): > > It certainly does indicate genetic propensities toward inferior intelligence and crime. Right there - the attribution of Y to common genes. Now I’m not surprised that you aren’t seeing this, since you seem to follow the same path of illogic. > [@](#): > > I’m not skipping any ideas – I’m simply trying to apply the criteria you laid out. > > You asserted that a group exists as a genetic grouping if it has “common or related genotypes.” Agreed? > > And do you agree that all humans have “common or related genotypes” by virtue of being members of the same species? (Simple yes or no question) > > Therefore, it follows that any subset of humanity you care to choose will be a group of people with “common or related genotypes” Agreed? > > Therefore, by your criteria, such a group “exists as a genetic grouping.” Right? Technically correct but utterly missing the point. If you’re comparing cats and dogs it does you no good to discuss traits common to all quadripeds. Do you not understand this? > [@](#): > > And what are the criteria for determining whether a group is “coherent and distinct”? Sorry - aren’t you guys the ones making claims about genetics? If you want to admit you don’t understand the science you’re pretending to espouse, just tell us now. > [@](#): > > All I am trying to do with my question is nail down your criteria for determining whether a group “exists” or not. You have asserted, in essence, that “blacks” does not “exist.” > > What is it about blacks as a group makes you conclude that the group does not “exist”? And does the same reasoning apply to other groups? We are talking about genetics. Remember the point of this discussion? **NDD** asserted that “blacks” are a race which have distinctive common genetic traits. I, and quite a lot of other people including actual scientists, are saying that those common genetic traits do not exist, and thus any conclusions about the genetic makeup of this “race” as he defines it are meaningless. There are other ways of talking about “blacks”, of course – as a geographic population, as a socio-economic grouping, as a self-defined subculture – but none of those tell you a damn thing about their genes. I continue to go back and forth between thinking you really don’t understand the points here and thinking that you do and you’re just being a disingenuous dickhead. So are you really that stupid? It’s a simple yes or no question. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1497 "2012-06-13T13:00:11Z")
Holy shit Gyrate… You still have the patience to answer the questions that he didn’t like the answers to the first time? You’ve got more patience than I. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1498 "2012-06-13T13:05:39Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > As your posts show, you are incapable of learning from science. You’ve ignored all the facts that have been posted thus far. It would simply be pointless to post them again. Your so called “facts” amount to nothing more than the a priori assertion that race is a social construct. Any scientific assertion cannot be a priori. It must be testable. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1499 "2012-06-13T13:09:31Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Your so called “facts” amount to nothing more than the a priori assertion that race is a social construct. Any scientific assertion cannot be a priori. It must be testable. …says the man whose assertions are untested and at odds with actual genetic evidence. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1500 "2012-06-13T13:22:59Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > What don’t I know that if I did know would convince me that the various races are biologically equal? 😕 > [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Science. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Or history. > > Or comparative literature. When scientists first decoded the human genome in 2000, they were quick to portray it as proof of humankind’s remarkable similarity. The DNA of any two people, they emphasized, is at least 99 percent identical. But new research is exploring the remaining fraction to explain differences between people of different continental origins. Scientists, for instance, have recently identified small changes in DNA that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases. > **[In DNA Era, New Worries About Prejudice (Published 2007)](https://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/us/11dna.html?pagewanted=all)** > > Research is exploring how DNA explains racial differences, but it could give discredited prejudices a new potency. * * * Science is discovering important racial differences. History records no indigenous Negro civilizations comparable to those of the American Indians, much less of those founded by Caucasians in the Near East, or Orientals in the Far East. It does record that after two centuries of black majority rule Haiti has a lower per capita gross domestic product than any Latin American country. [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=Haiti&countryCode=ha®ionCode=cam&rank=207#ha](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html?countryName=Haiti&countryCode=ha®ionCode=cam&rank=207#ha) No Negro author compares with Homer, the Greek tragic dramatists, Dante, or Shakespeare, not to mention the giants of Russian literature. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=74) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=76)