# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 76
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1501 "2012-06-13T13:32:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Nonscientists are already beginning to stitch together highly speculative conclusions about the historically charged subject of race and intelligence from the new biological data. Last month, a blogger in Manhattan described a recently published study that linked several snippets of DNA to high I.Q. An online genetic database used by medical researchers, he told readers, showed that two of the snippets were found more often in Europeans and Asians than in Africans. > > No matter that the link between I.Q. and those particular bits of DNA was unconfirmed, or that other high I.Q. snippets are more common in Africans, or that hundreds or thousands of others may also affect intelligence, or that their combined influence might be dwarfed by environmental factors. Just the existence of such genetic differences between races, proclaimed the author of the Half Sigma blog, a 40-year-old software developer, means “the egalitarian theory,” that all races are equal, “is proven false.” > [@](#): > > “There are clear differences between people of different continental ancestries,” said Marcus W. Feldman, a professor of biological sciences at Stanford University. “It’s not there yet for things like I.Q., but I can see it coming. And it has the potential to spark a new era of racism if we do not start explaining it better.” > > Dr. Feldman said any finding on intelligence was likely to be exceedingly hard to pin down. But given that some may emerge, he said he wanted to create “ready response teams” of geneticists to put such socially fraught discoveries in perspective. > [@](#): > > “I’ve spent the last 10 years of my life researching how much genetic variability there is between populations,” said Dr. David Altshuler, director of the Program in Medical and Population Genetics at the Broad Institute in Cambridge, Mass. “But living in America, it is so clear that the economic and social and educational differences have so much more influence than genes. People just somehow fixate on genetics, even if the influence is very small.” These are also in your [link](http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/us/11dna.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all). ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1502 "2012-06-13T13:46:49Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > For the assertion that “race is only a social construct” to be considered scientific, it must be testable. What are the circumstances that would disprove it? It’s very very simple. I’ll tell you again. If race is a biologically meaningful construct, then we would expect that members of each putative race are more closely related, genetically, to other members of that race than they are to people outside of that race. Got that so far? In other words, any two random black people would be more closely related genetically than, say, one of the black people would be to a white person. That’s a prediction. It’s a testable prediction. It’s a scientific question. And, as has been pointed out to you dozens of times, that test has been done. The prediction has been tested. And it has proven to be false. Completely and utterly false. Black people, as a whole, are NOT more closely related to each other than they are to members of other races. Results for other races vary, but as the black race seems to be the focus of your, ahem, “theory”, that is sufficient. The prediction failed the test. Thus, the hypothesis has been scientifically proven to be false. I will make a further prediction: you will ignore or deliberately misinterpret this post, because you simply cannot get around this fact. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1503 "2012-06-13T13:49:03Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > No Negro author compares with Homer, the Greek tragic dramatists, Dante, or Shakespeare, not to mention the giants of Russian literature. Damn few people of any race do. But there are many talented black authors and poets nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1504 "2012-06-13T13:54:14Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > History records no indigenous Negro civilizations comparable to those of the American Indians, much less of those founded by Caucasians in the Near East, or Orientals in the Far East. You are rather ignorant of history. There were numerous civilizations indigenous to sub-Saharan Africa prior to colonial times. Just off the top of my head- Nubia/Meroe (which conquered mighty Egypt for about a hundred years), the Kingdom of Kongo, the Kingdom of Zimbwabwe, the Ethiopian Empire, and the Kingdom of Nri (in Nigeria). It’s true that most of these civilizations (that still existed) could not compete militarily with the European colonial powers (except for Ethiopia, which retained independence), but neither could most East Asian civilizations. The Europeans just happened to have better military technology at the time. Of course, at various other times in history, African civilizations could have dominated Europe in any military conflict. If the Haya of Tanzania had had the inclination 2000 years ago, they could have become a dominant military power with the world’s first carbon-steel tools and weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1505 "2012-06-13T16:10:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You are rather ignorant of history. There were numerous civilizations indigenous to sub-Saharan Africa prior to colonial times. Just off the top of my head- Nubia/Meroe (which conquered mighty Egypt for about a hundred years), the Kingdom of Kongo, the Kingdom of Zimbwabwe, the Ethiopian Empire, and the Kingdom of Nri (in Nigeria). It’s true that most of these civilizations (that still existed) could not compete militarily with the European colonial powers (except for Ethiopia, which retained independence), but neither could most East Asian civilizations. The Europeans just happened to have better military technology at the time. Of course, at various other times in history, African civilizations could have dominated Europe in any military conflict. If the Haya of Tanzania had had the inclination 2000 years ago, they could have become a dominant military power with the world’s first carbon-steel tools and weapons. You are applying reason here, but apparently \*\*NDD \*\*does not have the necessary intelligence gene, required to follow reason. \*\*It \*\*( **NDD** ) is just a racist scumbag, that makes stuff up as \*\*it \*\*goes along and cannot comprehend anything other than it’s warped opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1506 "2012-06-13T18:42:08Z")
Is it too much to ask NDD to read _Guns, Germs and Steel_? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1507 "2012-06-13T18:55:09Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Is it too much to ask NDD to read _Guns, Germs and Steel_? Guns, Germs, and Steel explains why agriculture and civilization began where it did. In the Near East there happened to be plants and animals that were easy to domesticate. What the book overlooks is that once agriculture and civilization begin they have different population pressures than hunting and gathering. Over a period of ten thousand years these population pressures result in racial groups that have lower crime rates, and higher average IQs. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1508 "2012-06-13T19:08:45Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Guns, Germs, and Steel explains why agriculture and civilization began where it did. In the Near East there happened to be plants and animals that were easy to domesticate. > > What the book overlooks is that once agriculture and civilization begin they have different population pressures than hunting and gathering. Over a period of ten thousand years these population pressures result in racial groups that have lower crime rates, and higher average IQs. The stupid… it burns!! ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1509 "2012-06-13T19:14:48Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Guns, Germs, and Steel explains why agriculture and civilization began where it did. In the Near East there happened to be plants and animals that were easy to domesticate. > > What the book overlooks is that once agriculture and civilization begin they have different population pressures than hunting and gathering. Over a period of ten thousand years these population pressures result in racial groups that have lower crime rates, and higher average IQs. So all we gotta do to get the blacks up to par with whites is teach them agriculture? We could always use more cotton. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1510 "2012-06-13T19:15:43Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Guns, Germs, and Steel explains why agriculture and civilization began where it did. In the Near East there happened to be plants and animals that were easy to domesticate. > > What the book overlooks is that once agriculture and civilization begin they have different population pressures than hunting and gathering. Obviously, insofar as any difference whatsoever could be produced in such a short period (i.e. not terriby far at all), it would incline toward reducing the physical and intellectual capacities of populations that lived in areas where basic civilizational challenges (e.g. domesticating plants and animals) were easy relative to populations where these challenges were hard. As John F. Kennedy famously pointed out, it is that hard things, not the easy things, which put a nation to the touchstone. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1511 "2012-06-13T19:18:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You are rather ignorant of history. There were numerous civilizations indigenous to sub-Saharan Africa prior to colonial times. Just off the top of my head- Nubia/Meroe (which conquered mighty Egypt for about a hundred years), the Kingdom of Kongo, the Kingdom of Zimbwabwe, the Ethiopian Empire, and the Kingdom of Nri (in Nigeria). It’s true that most of these civilizations (that still existed) could not compete militarily with the European colonial powers (except for Ethiopia, which retained independence), but neither could most East Asian civilizations. This explains why China, which had a long history of agricultural civilization, retained its independence while Japan, a johnny-come-lately to that concept, was quickly divvied up into competing imperial spheres of influence by the Europeans. Oh. Wait. That’s not how it happened at all. Ah, well, so much for the OP’s theory… ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1512 "2012-06-13T19:22:37Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > …compares with Homer, the Greek tragic dramatists, Dante, or Shakespeare, not to mention the giants of Russian literature. It always amuses me to hear some perfectly ordinary human being say that a computer “can’t compose a symphony”, as though he himself could. –Isaac Asimov ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1513 "2012-06-13T19:31:05Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > What the book overlooks is that once agriculture and civilization begin they have different population pressures than hunting and gathering. Over a period of ten thousand years these population pressures result in racial groups that have lower crime rates, and higher average IQs. Naturally, you arrived at this conclusion by poring over, comparing and contrasting the yearly crime stats dutifully published by the Roman Empire, the Aztlan Department of Social Research and Genocidal Sacrifice (3rd ziggurath on the right, 5th floor), the Egyptian Pyramidal Science Society, the Caliphate Statistical Office for Public Beheadings and/or the Jade Palace of Infinite Celestial Sociological Studies ? And their equivalents in the IQ assessment departments ? Oh wait, no, I’m sorry. Just pulling stuff out your arse, as usual. Carry on, O bringer of rectal enlightenment ! ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1514 "2012-06-13T19:32:02Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > No, we define “idiot” as “fucking moron,” and you’re both in the 99.99th percentile. Yeah, and that’s after spotting him 30 points\* to begin with: > [@](#): > > **Dr. Drakken:** With this teleportation module, I shall be able to instantly transport myself into any high-security area I please! Think of the possibilites, Shego! Fort Knox! The Louvre! > **Shego:** Or into the “ten items or less” line with eleven items. > **Dr. Drakken:** Exactly! …Wait. Was that a serious suggestion or are you mocking me? > **Shego:** I’d say about 30% serious, 70% mock. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1515 "2012-06-13T20:41:50Z")
I think ignorance is like a black hole. Some people fly very near its gravity well, but by some miracle, are eventually able to achieve escape velocity, course correct and soar into the depths of knowledge. Unlike **NDD** and **b84** here, who seem to have crossed the event horizon, achieving the ill fated Ignorance Singularity: infinitely unlimited in their own capacity for ignorance. They are beyond any reach or hope. They are destined to view the world from their warped bubble, screaming at us from beyond the barrier as they wonder how dumb we could be, because our views are so misaligned, it’s we who must be wrong. Meanwhile, the rest of us carry on in reality and reason. Do not attempt rescue; that way lies madness. And don’t give me any guff on white holes being more intelligent than black holes. There hasn’t been enough research in that area. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1516 "2012-06-13T20:44:56Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > History records no indigenous Negro civilizations comparable to those of the American Indians, much less of those founded by Caucasians in the Near East, or Orientals in the Far East. It does record that after two centuries of black majority rule Haiti has a lower per capita gross domestic product than any Latin American country. History does record indigenous “Negro” civilizations. Sub-saharan Africa had plenty of major nation-states. You just don’t know this because you’re ignorant. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > No Negro author compares with Homer, the Greek tragic dramatists, Dante, or Shakespeare, not to mention the giants of Russian literature. Wow, European culture recognizes European artists. Insightful of you to notice this. If China was the dominant culture in the world, we’d all be asking how come Europe never produced any giants like Qu Yuan or Su Shi or Sima Guang. And if it had been Africa, we’d all be studying the Epic of Sundiata and the Kebra Negast rather than the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Illiad. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1517 "2012-06-13T22:16:36Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > For the assertion that “race is only a social construct” to be considered scientific, it must be testable. What are the circumstances that would disprove it? You have deformed the statement. And of course you are playing rhetoric as the testable hypothesis is that Race can be reliably defined by identifiable genetic characteristics. > [@](#): > > What I maintain is that race is a meaningful way of classifying people. People can be racially identified by DNA tests, as this news story demonstrates: Your article in fact demonstrates the contrary. It demonstrates that descendence can be traced. But it also renders more incoherent your argumentations on the meaning of your races as these children are otherwise culturally the whites. Tracing descendence is not an issue of controversy. [URL=“[http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/12/us/12genes.html?pagewanted=all](http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/12/us/12genes.html?pagewanted=all)”] > [@](#): > > This story not only demonstrates that race is a meaningful concept that can be verified scientifically, No, it demonstrates that it is possible to trace descent. That is not controversial in any fashion. It does not demonstrate that there is any genetic coherence in the archaic 19e century races you are so married with, so as to demonstrate that any of the traits you assert even exist genetically - and these we have no proofs at all they even have clear genetical connections - can be said to vary coherently to these archaic ideas of race. You make layer upon layer of the assumptions and then declare proof. It is sad. > [@](#): > > but it demonstrates the injustice of affirmative action. Because these adopted twins were raised by a business executive we can assume that they were raised in fairly affluent circumstances. Nevertheless, if their adoptive father had had the DNA testing done earlier, they would have received preferences over 100 percent Caucasians with working class backgrounds. This entire comment is a political comment that has not one thing to do with genetics, or capacities or anything of an interest to the genetical questions. It is a political and a party political lament that only is about politics. It also reveals what your real motivations are. They have no thing to do with science, but they are about your political resentments as about american politics. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Your so called “facts” amount to nothing more than the a priori assertion that race is a social construct. Any scientific assertion cannot be a priori. It must be testable. Amusing since all you do is assert relationships. It has been shown, even in cites with graphical presentations for those who can not read the science, that the mapping of the genetic traits and the clusters of the genetic traits in populations - this is the structuring of populations - does not cohere with the archaic race concept you are dragging from the grave of the 19e century. That is not, by the very defintion, a priori. It is the proofs. It is you who keeps making a priori assertions. It is not necessary to believe that all individuals are genetically equal. It is not necessary to believe that all populations are equal. What is necessary and clear from the incredible weight of genetic data is to abandon your stupid and archaic ideas about those 3 races. they have no sense or logic. There is no doubt that they are not coherent and genetical ways of seeing human population. Of course since you continue to argument by assertions and make hand waving, and ignore any piont that contradicts you, I expect only some stupidity in reply. Bon chance. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1518 "2012-06-13T22:38:36Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > My bad b84, you were asking about “distributed evenly among all races” in your previous post, it was the same question in the other post, but for ethnicity. > > I believe I’ve already made myself clear, over and over, that race and ethnicity have no real genomic basis. So the answer is identical. > [@brazil84](#): > > Ok, so if you do not dispute that genetically informed traits are not distributed equally among races, do you have any a priori reason whatsoever to believe in the Egalitarian Hypothesis? > > Do you believe that intelligence is somehow different from other genetically informed traits? **^Post 748.** Intelligence, unlike, say brown or blue eyes, is an incredibly complex thing to define and quantify. We barely understand the brain, let alone try to come up with some determining factors in genomics that will attempt to define, predict or somehow explain intelligence. In that sense, while there are things our brains have become hardwired for through natural selection and evolution, human intelligence in the most general sense, is an elastic and adaptable manifestation of our cognition. Intelligence is a developmental gradient from infancy through adulthood and there are myriad factors that can stunt it, or allow it to flourish, not just genes alone. This notion that intelligence has some _ceiling_ based on some shared set of genes between race (which still hasn’t been sufficiently defined), totally breaks down on the individual level. IQ tests are just one angle of trying to measure intelligence. It can tell you a lot about someone, but it will also leave out much, much more. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1519 "2012-06-13T22:47:53Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > History records no indigenous Negro civilizations comparable to those of the American Indians, much less of those founded by Caucasians in the Near East, or Orientals in the Far East. That is of course false taking your incoherent and illogical 19e century race defintion. There are many of course. The west african empires that are documented by the islamic writings and in the early period by europeans, the kingdoms of the kongo in what is now Anglola that the Portuguese encountered and treated as equals in their first century. The kingdoms of Eithiopia (Axum, etc) the civilisation that created the Great Zimbabwe. The very early kingdoms with the iron working that existed in the Sahel and then the kingdoms It is only possible to write such a thing if you are deliberately ignorant and such a primitive racist that you can not even admit real data. But this is not news, you are a primitive. > [@](#): > > No Negro author compares with Homer, the Greek tragic dramatists, Dante, or Shakespeare, not to mention the giants of Russian literature. We can understand this as “no one I can read or I have learned about when in my schooling” Of course if you are Francophone there is in fact some very important writings by authors that in your scheme are black that are respected by even the most culturally conservative. Also in the Portuguese. And in the Arabic some of the most celebrated poets of the classical poetry are known in history as being Habashine, that is black. Your very primitive knowledge and very provincial anglophone knowledge, it says nothing of writing and one must be frank, it only embarasses yourself. It is more embarassing for you that among the Russians, the poetry of Poushkin is considered a national treasure, and Pouchkin was notably very proud of his Eithiopian grandfather. By the internally incoherent logic of race you promote, Pouchkin like Dumas and other authors that your provincial american education would not let you know about, must be considered as Negro as you say. And it is already pointed out, you do not make coherent differences on descent - as we have seen in your citation to the new article on descendence. Your standards, they are incoherent. They are only ad hoc and they change simply to fit the prejudices that are derived from some archaic ideas that have no scientific logic or coherence. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2012, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1520 "2012-06-13T22:58:59Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > It’s very very simple. I’ll tell you again. If race is a biologically meaningful construct, then we would expect that members of each putative race are more closely related, genetically, to other members of that race than they are to people outside of that race. Got that so far? In other words, any two random black people would be more closely related genetically than, say, one of the black people would be to a white person. That’s a prediction. It’s a testable prediction. It’s a scientific question. And, as has been pointed out to you dozens of times, that test has been done. The prediction has been tested. > > And it has proven to be false. Completely and utterly false. Black people, as a whole, are NOT more closely related to each other than they are to members of other races. Results for other races vary, but as the black race seems to be the focus of your, ahem, “theory”, that is sufficient. The prediction failed the test. Thus, the hypothesis has been scientifically proven to be false. > > I will make a further prediction: you will ignore or deliberately misinterpret this post, because you simply cannot get around this fact. This says better what I wanted to say. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=75) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=77)