# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1521 "2012-06-14T00:30:01Z")

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And as we can not do it in this thread, I have to give a honorary +1 to \*\*Smeghead \*\*too.

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**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1522 "2012-06-14T01:19:06Z")

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> [@brazil84](#):
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> Is that so? Or is it just nonsense; you are too blinded by political correctness to do so, and to you “fucking moron” is just someone who states the truth about race and intelligence?

No, you, in particular, are a fucking moron on any subject you post on, whether it’s race or global warming. You’re stupid, you’re a liar, and completely undeserving of anything but ridicule.

> [@](#):
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> If you’ve really scrutinized his position carefully, it should be easy enough to answer these questions.

I’m not interested in wasting time debating you, you moron, because (to reiterate) _you’re a fucking moron_.

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**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1523 "2012-06-14T01:31:25Z")

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> [@GIGObuster](#):
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> And as we can not do it in this thread, I have to give a honorary +1 to \*\*Smeghead \*\*too.

Well, gosh, thanks guys. These threads have been interesting for me and have forced me to really think about some topics around how science works, and how much of that process is really not well understood by non-scientists. I’ve mentally composed some lecture-like responses attempting to lay out exactly where and how NDD has departed from actual scientific thinking and procedure, but I just don’t have the time right now to get them typed up. I think it would be useful for me to do someday, not just because of NDD, but because we get a lot of pseudo- and antiscientists on the boards, and it would be good to have some of these ideas laid out clearly. Maybe someday.

On another note, a big reason I’ve backed way off of the GD thread is simply because my daughter was born a couple of weeks ago, and having her around has made me appreciate all the more that life is so much better than racist idiots want it to be. The world is a fantastic place. People in general are far better than NDD and his ilk. The world has largely (though of course not entirely) moved past their evil, and will not regress to their worldview again. He is irrelevant. His ideas are done. He can yammer all he wants, but he will be ignored. Let him yammer. I have a beautiful baby daughter who needs me, and I have a beautiful world to show her. My time is too precious to waste on him.

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**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1524 "2012-06-14T04:15:50Z")

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Congratulations on your new daughter, I fall in love with my girl every day all over again. May she always be the light of your life.

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**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1525 "2012-06-14T04:30:53Z")

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One hopes she has the GDP genes !

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**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1526 "2012-06-14T06:16:27Z")

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Congrats for sure. One hopes your example provides your daughter a good starting point in life.

As for NDD and b84, I read a novel recently that reminded me of another good definition of an insane theory.

A person’s theory is insane if it makes logically sense to that person but to no (or few) other people. Basically, it’s internally logically consistent but not externally logically consistent.

A person’s theory is not insane (but may still be wrong) if it can be shown to be rational externally as well as internally.

While that’s been an implicit feature of all the responses to NDD and B84, it just struck me (for the billionth figurative time) how true it was in this thread.

Of course, in pretty much a Catch-22, if somebody has an insane theory, they probably don’t have the capability to realize their theory is insane. As NDD has already claimed, contrary evidence is simply concessions to “political correctness” or some other nonsense (which again, makes no external sense but fits in the crazy internal world he’s created). I guess it really doesn’t add much to the discussion, but it was a minor enlightenment for me.

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**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1527 "2012-06-14T10:01:05Z")

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> [@MrDibble](#):
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> One can also tell a North Indian very easily from a south Indian, the differences are even more marked. Why does “East Asian” not cut it, then?

Well, I did think of a crude test of that hypothesis: can you identify which of [these people](http://i.imgur.com/Uuz32.png) are from Pakistan (3), which are from Sri Lanka (3) and which are from East Asia (3)?

> [@MrDibble](#):
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> Well, if you feel the need to run around making that sort of observation, you may have bigger problems.

It’s not something I’d need to ascertain often, but it can be handy when trying to describe an individual to a person that’s never met them.

> [@New Deal Democrat](#):
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> racial convergence

[Uhm](http://nces.ed.gov/naal/lit_history.asp).

> [@typoink](#):
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> The objections are overstated, but it had become a more loaded term than just meaning “from the east.”

Perhaps the term you wanted was “second order signifiers”?

> [@BigT](#):
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> Seriously: discard everything you’ve ever heard about how blacks are inferior, and try to construct a world where it is untrue.

Accepting racism as untrue is not difficult for me. However, if I were to create a world without racism, I would abandon the minimal group paradigm, imperialism and the other race effect. As I’d expect any empathetic (let alone benevolent) creator to do.

> [@gastropod1](#):
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> the people who support plans specifically designed to achieve serfdom

Care to clarify? Are the people of Chilé better off having been exposed to Hayek, Nozick and Leo Strauss than the Swedish and Bakunin, Proudhon and Kropotkin?

> [@Damuri Ajashi](#):
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> I only bring up Israel because it has a high population of Jews

Interesting question. Why don’t Ashkenazi Jews have the highest lifespans and lowest murder rates? Why aren’t they the best at warfare if military victory correlated to “superiority”?

> [@Damuri Ajashi](#):
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> rap (which I distinguish from hip hop).

In which respect? Hip hop does encompass more than just rap, with MCing covering both rap music and beatboxing and hip hop music also expanding to cover turntablism.

If you’re dismissing the genre as a whole, I think you’re being too hasty. Dead Prez, Brand Nubian, OFWGKTA, Elro and Juice News are highly creative rap artists in my opinion. Mainstream artistic expression was more limited in the era soul was popular in and I think it’s evidenced in the fact that the Isley brothers produced cruft towards the end of their career.

> [@New Deal Democrat](#):
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> They do not try to destroy the careers of those who question these beliefs publicly.

Apart from Bob Inglis.

> [@brazil84](#):
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> I don’t see those opposed to Islam getting anywhere near as nasty as the “anti-racists.”

Finally someone sheds a tear for Breivik.

> [@sisu](#):
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> Have a chat to your local union and you will still see this attitude every where in just about every country.

Not in an IWA union - international solidarity and all that.

> [@Vinyl Turnip](#):
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> Okay, let’s!

Shall we start with the Levant or Egypt?

> [@Charles Murray](#):
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> unrefutable

Too much to ask for him to appreciate Popper I suppose.

> [@Charles Murray](#):
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> their divorce rates are soaring, too.

Funny, Murray has been divorced more often than most Americans (at once).

> [@Damuri Ajashi](#):
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> Jesus came up with the idea first “do onto others”

He was poaching the concept from Leviticus. Or… well, [anywhere](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule). If nobody had thought of it before Jesus, there would not be a literate society to preach it to.

> [@New Deal Democrat](#):
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> There was not the paroxysm of hatred and anger that confronted The Bell Curve.

[Yeah, right](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve#.22Mainstream_Science_on_Intelligence.22).

> [@New Deal Democrat](#):
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> Poverty is no excuse for crime…

Social conflict and relative deprivation theory explain crime through poverty.

Earlier in the thread, you claim homicide rates are good indicators of the overall rate of crime in a country.

You also espouse “a draconian criminal justice system”.

How do you explain that the only European country to practice capital punishment in the past 10 years, [Belarus](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country#Europe), has a [higher homicide rate](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) than a [country](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita) (Montenegro, for the purposes of comparison) with a lower GDP that outlawed capital punishment recently?

Why does Thailand have a higher rate than Morocco or Sweden? Why does New Zealand have a lower rate than Israel?

Why are murder rates lower in states without [capital punishment](http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts)?

> [@New Deal Democrat](#):
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> Until anyone can publicly agree with him without fearing economic or social sanctions it cannot be said that there has been a dispassionate discussion of the matter.

I dislike flak, but whether one propounds that advertising has a toxic effect on the state of journalism, that blacks should be denied places at universities because they are genetically inferior or that Anatoly Fomenko should determine our calendars, they’re going to receive it. Not in equal measures, of course.

> [@brazil84](#):
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> Good thing the blacks in Haiti don’t have whitey keeping them down.

What astounding ignorance of [history](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVVRoWxFB1s).

> [@New Deal Democrat](#):
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> People do get angry when beliefs they are confident of are challenged.

So, conservatives are not confident in any of their beliefs?

> [@Damuri Ajashi](#):
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> Are we saying that this gap is also attributable to the things you point out?

[This, too](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat).

> [@New Deal Democrat](#):
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> He says that large penises correlate with having illegitimate children, while large brains correlate with superior intelligence.

If I prayed, I’d pray he were adept at cunnilingus.

> [@Damuri Ajashi](#):
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> Didn’t we try that before?

Heh. In the time of the Free Soil Party, free labour was actually held as the antithesis to slavery. People were free to work for the product of their own labour, without a tithe to the owners of the land. Perhaps that was what you were decrying though, given that free labour was perceived as inimical to industrialism.

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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1528 "2012-06-14T11:25:46Z")

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> [@gamerunknown](#):
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> Well, I did think of a crude test of that hypothesis: can you identify which of [these people](http://i.imgur.com/Uuz32.png) are from Pakistan (3), which are from Sri Lanka (3) and which are from East Asia (3)?

Have you been away? this is a rather tardy reply. Anyway, yeah, I could take a stab at it :  
P-S-E  
E-P-E  
P-S-S  
would be my wild guesses in that matrix. But I fail to see the point - the issue isn’t one of identification, but terminology, and the necessity of separate terms.

And I don’t doubt that I could find 3 Sri Lankans who looked Pakistani, or 3 Indian-looking Chinese, if I looked hard enough. That’s one of the points we make when we ask the racists what race they would assign Andaman Islanders, for example - you can’t really tell much about genetics by looking, _even if_ you _can_ group similar peoples visually.

> [@](#):
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> It’s not something I’d need to ascertain often, but it can be handy when trying to describe an individual to a person that’s never met them.

Only if you need them to pick them out of a crowd without you being there, I’d say.

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**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1529 "2012-06-14T18:32:55Z")

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> [@Colibri](#):
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> No, you, in particular, are a fucking moron on any subject you post on, whether it’s race or global warming. You’re stupid, you’re a liar, and completely undeserving of anything but ridicule.
> 
> I’m not interested in wasting time debating you, you moron, because (to reiterate) _you’re a fucking moron_.

Then why did you respond to brazil84’s post? You obviously have nothing intelligent to say about an important topic.

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**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1530 "2012-06-14T18:37:46Z")

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> [@Smeghead](#):
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> It’s very very simple. I’ll tell you again. If race is a biologically meaningful construct, then we would expect that members of each putative race are more closely related, genetically, to other members of that race than they are to people outside of that race. Got that so far? In other words, any two random black people would be more closely related genetically than, say, one of the black people would be to a white person. That’s a prediction. It’s a testable prediction. It’s a scientific question. And, as has been pointed out to you dozens of times, that test has been done. The prediction has been tested.
> 
> And it has proven to be false. Completely and utterly false. Black people, as a whole, are NOT more closely related to each other than they are to members of other races. Results for other races vary, but as the black race seems to be the focus of your, ahem, “theory”, that is sufficient. The prediction failed the test. Thus, the hypothesis has been scientifically proven to be false.
> 
> I will make a further prediction: you will ignore or deliberately misinterpret this post, because you simply cannot get around this fact.

If that is a fact, provide some documentation. Your assertion that one 100 percent African Negro may be more closely related to a Caucasian than to a another 100 percent African Negro requires some very convincing documentation.

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1531 "2012-06-14T18:53:58Z")

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> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#):
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> If that is a fact, provide some documentation. Your assertion that one 100 percent African Negro may be more closely related to a Caucasian than to a another 100 percent African Negro requires some very convincing documentation.

We’ve already done this, so so many times. The Yoruba, as a population, are closer to Eurasians, genetically, then to San. Look at figure 1 [here](http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reich/Reich_Lab/Welcome_files/2010_Nature_Denisova_Genome.pdf): Nigerians/Yoruba are closer to Chinese and the French, genetically, than to the San of south-eastern Africa.

And what on earth does “100 percent African Negro” even mean?

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**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1532 "2012-06-14T18:54:05Z")

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> [@MrDibble](#):
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> Have you been away? this is a rather tardy reply.

Yes, thank you. 😛

You identified them correctly. I was choosing the first few unobscured images from google. In my experience, I can’t immediately identify whether someone is from Pakistan or Sri Lanka by sight, though I could tell whether someone was from a further Eastern country (with notable exceptions: in the absence of other information, I’d assume Dawkins was American and Obama was Kenyan). That may have been the example of the other race effect in action.

Of course, I don’t think wishing to describe a person’s characteristics accurately means anything about their genes other than melanin and other minor things. I just can’t imagine describing someone as swarthy and with epicanthic eye folds without sounding more colonial.

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**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1533 "2012-06-14T19:01:02Z")

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> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#):
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> If that is a fact, provide some documentation. Your assertion that one 100 percent African Negro may be more closely related to a Caucasian than to a another 100 percent African Negro requires some very convincing documentation.

Are you claiming that only people who are “100 percent African Negro” are “black”?

Also, please define “Caucasian”.

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**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1534 "2012-06-14T19:02:20Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> And what on earth does “100 percent African Negro” even mean?

It’s the next hedge. It’s a classic “No True Scotsman” argument just waiting to happen.

“Well, the Yoruba and San aren’t actually 100 percent sub-Saharan African Negroes, like the Blacks in America are (even if I’m such a douche I keep ignoring that there’s significant mixture from white Europeans there).”

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**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1535 "2012-06-14T19:09:19Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> We’ve already done this, so so many times. The Yoruba, as a population, are closer to Eurasians, genetically, then to San. Look at figure 1 [here](http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reich/Reich_Lab/Welcome_files/2010_Nature_Denisova_Genome.pdf): Nigerians/Yoruba are closer to Chinese and the French, genetically, than to the San of south-eastern Africa.
> 
> And what on earth does “100 percent African Negro” even mean?

It would be amusing to see a racist such as we have here make up so many things to justify why he dislikes blacks so much… if it weren’t so sad that we still have people so hate filled.

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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1536 "2012-06-14T19:10:49Z")

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> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#):
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> If that is a fact, provide some documentation. Your assertion that one 100 percent African Negro may be more closely related to a Caucasian than to a another 100 percent African Negro requires some very convincing documentation.

Oh, for fuck’s sake! Does [this](http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v464/n7290/fig_tab/nature08976_F3.html) look familiar at all, you evasive shitstain? Because it was posted in your own fucking GD thread by **Colibri**.

Of course, expecting you to be able to read a phylogenetic tree is too hopeful, but still - there it fucking well is. And there’ve been plenty more posted in both threads.

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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1537 "2012-06-14T19:19:02Z")

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> [@gamerunknown](#):
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> Yes, thank you. 😛
> 
> You identified them correctly. I was choosing the first few unobscured images from google. In my experience, I can’t immediately identify whether someone is from Pakistan or Sri Lanka by sight,

Generally I don’t have a problem, but then they’re two end points - I think it’d be a lot harder if you were to you factor Indians into it as well.

> [@](#):
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> Of course, I don’t think wishing to describe a person’s characteristics accurately means anything about their genes other than melanin and other minor things. I just can’t imagine describing someone as swarthy and with epicanthic eye folds without sounding more colonial.

…and that’s the feeling I get when I hear people being called “Oriental” - it makes my neocolonialist spidey senses tingle.

Like hearing someone calling people “Negro” in this present day makes my racist alarms go off. Sure, it _might_ be an archaic turn of phrase retained from Civil Rights days or somesuch - but it’s more likely to be a racist, IMO.

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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1538 "2012-06-14T19:20:25Z")

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> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#):
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> Are you claiming that only people who are “100 percent African Negro” are “black”?
> 
> Also, please define “Caucasian”.

Anyone who isn’t Neeegro or Mongoloid, silly!

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**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1539 "2012-06-14T19:30:01Z")

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Certainly! It was proven quite conclusively by the HapMap consortium, amongst many others. The HapMap is a project that, as an offshoot to the Human Genome Project, is attempting to map several million documented SNPs across different human populations. The initial project launched with four ethnic populations: Han Chinese, Japanese, Yoruba Nigerians, and Utahns of Northern and Eastern European Ancestry (this group had already been established). Since then, they have added 11 more populations, including two more sub-Saharan African populations. All of these individuals have now been genotyped at between 1.5 milllion and 3.1 million sites to determine their SNP genotype at each position. This has allowed direct comparison of these different groups by a huge variety of statistical measures.

Here are a few papers to get you started. It’s been several years since I read them, and when I did read them, I was more interested in figuring out how to use their dataset to map natural variation in DNA repair capacity than in disproving racists, so I can’t point you directly to the relevant sections, but I’m sure with your keen scientific brain, that won’t be a problem:

[Here’s an initial description of Phase I.](http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v437/n7063/full/nature04226.html)  
[And of Phase II.](http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v449/n7164/full/nature06258.html)  
A quick scan of those shows a table detailing levels of IBD (that’s Identity By Descent) amongst the populations. Note how the Yoruba’s value is far smaller than the others. There’s one little tidbit for you.  
Oooh. [Here’s a paper where they look specifically at IBD at a particular gene across all the Phase III populations.](http://www.genetics.org/content/186/1/295) I don’t remember reading that one, but it’s in my system, so I must have.  
Oh, hey, [This one’s interesting too.](http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929708001365) Remember how a while ago I talked about how, if someone wanted to actually do the research you keep claiming has been done, they’d have to look at the differences between white and African populations? Well, they actually made a start at that in that paper. Specifically, they looked at differences in mRNA levels between the European HapMap population and the Yoruba population. They found about 400 areas that were differentially expressed between the populations. Congratulations! There are some genetic differences between these populations (note that Yoruba Nigerians is a far better description of a population than is “African”). So what genes were differentially expressed? Were they all found in the neurons responsible for balancing checkbooks and, I don’t know, dancing? Look at Table 1. The genes are responsible for the following things: ribosome biogenesis. Antimicrobial response. tRNA processing. mRNA breakdown. And cell-cell adhesion. WOW!!! That’s the difference between white Europeans and this group of Africans. One of us is better at making tRNA. Yep. Time to shove 'em all into the ghetto.

Anyway, there are some actual scientific papers for you to enjoy. I look forward to hearing your explanation as to why the thousand or so authors of those papers are all wrong.

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**Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1540 "2012-06-14T19:54:10Z")

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> [@MrDibble](#):
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> Oh, for fuck’s sake! Does [this](http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v464/n7290/fig_tab/nature08976_F3.html) look familiar at all, you evasive shitstain? Because it was posted in your own fucking GD thread by **Colibri**.

Wow, that tree is fascinating. I highly encourage anyone interested in human genetics to take a gander.

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