# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 78
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1541 "2012-06-14T20:08:29Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > … > > Anyway, there are some actual scientific papers for you to enjoy. I look forward to hearing your explanation as to why the thousand or so authors of those papers are all wrong. That was an epic smackdown. One of the most satisfying posts I’ve read in a long time. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1542 "2012-06-14T22:11:51Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Certainly! It was proven quite conclusively by the HapMap consortium, amongst many others. The HapMap is a project that, as an offshoot to the Human Genome Project, is attempting to map several million documented SNPs across different human populations. The initial project launched with four ethnic populations: Han Chinese, Japanese, Yoruba Nigerians, and Utahns of Northern and Eastern European Ancestry (this group had already been established). Since then, they have added 11 more populations, including two more sub-Saharan African populations. All of these individuals have now been genotyped at between 1.5 milllion and 3.1 million sites to determine their SNP genotype at each position. This has allowed direct comparison of these different groups by a huge variety of statistical measures. > > Here are a few papers to get you started. It’s been several years since I read them, and when I did read them, I was more interested in figuring out how to use their dataset to map natural variation in DNA repair capacity than in disproving racists, so I can’t point you directly to the relevant sections, but I’m sure with your keen scientific brain, that won’t be a problem: > > [Here’s an initial description of Phase I.](http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v437/n7063/full/nature04226.html) > [And of Phase II.](http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v449/n7164/full/nature06258.html) > A quick scan of those shows a table detailing levels of IBD (that’s Identity By Descent) amongst the populations. Note how the Yoruba’s value is far smaller than the others. There’s one little tidbit for you. > Oooh. [Here’s a paper where they look specifically at IBD at a particular gene across all the Phase III populations.](http://www.genetics.org/content/186/1/295) I don’t remember reading that one, but it’s in my system, so I must have. > Oh, hey, [This one’s interesting too.](http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929708001365) Remember how a while ago I talked about how, if someone wanted to actually do the research you keep claiming has been done, they’d have to look at the differences between white and African populations? Well, they actually made a start at that in that paper. Specifically, they looked at differences in mRNA levels between the European HapMap population and the Yoruba population. They found about 400 areas that were differentially expressed between the populations. Congratulations! There are some genetic differences between these populations (note that Yoruba Nigerians is a far better description of a population than is “African”). So what genes were differentially expressed? Were they all found in the neurons responsible for balancing checkbooks and, I don’t know, dancing? Look at Table 1. The genes are responsible for the following things: ribosome biogenesis. Antimicrobial response. tRNA processing. mRNA breakdown. And cell-cell adhesion. WOW!!! That’s the difference between white Europeans and this group of Africans. One of us is better at making tRNA. Yep. Time to shove 'em all into the ghetto. > > Anyway, there are some actual scientific papers for you to enjoy. I look forward to hearing your explanation as to why the thousand or so authors of those papers are all wrong. In other words there are genetic differences between racial groups. As more is learned about these differences it will be better understood why some racial groups have higher average IQs and lower crime rates than other groups. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1543 "2012-06-14T22:13:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > We’ve already done this, so so many times. The Yoruba, as a population, are closer to Eurasians, genetically, then to San. Look at figure 1 [here](http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reich/Reich_Lab/Welcome_files/2010_Nature_Denisova_Genome.pdf): Nigerians/Yoruba are closer to Chinese and the French, genetically, than to the San of south-eastern Africa. > > And what on earth does “100 percent African Negro” even mean? A 100 percent Negro is one whom a DNA test would not reveal any non Negro ancestry. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1544 "2012-06-14T22:17:42Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > In other words there are genetic differences between racial groups. As more is learned about these differences it will be better understood why some racial groups have higher average IQs and lower crime rates than other groups. The populations cited do not correspond to your “racial groups”. They’re totally different. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1545 "2012-06-14T22:18:43Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > A 100 percent Negro is one whom a DNA test would not reveal any non Negro ancestry. Considering that “Negro” is pretty much meaningless with regards to genetics, that sentence is pretty meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1546 "2012-06-14T22:37:42Z")
Surprise, surprise, surprise. NDD didn’t even bother examining any of that material or figure out how it doesn’t say what he thinks it says. Or the fact that his “black African” race can’t be picked out on any of the population groups in those studies. Just declare victory and move on, like NDD does. All we’re missing is a giant “Mission Accomplished” banner. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1547 "2012-06-14T22:41:33Z")
I still really think that he can’t, he wants to give himself credit for ability and education he just doesn’t seem to have. Sadly, he lacks to the humility to address his shortcomings, and maybe improve and learn. Rather, like so many White Supremicists, he comforts himself with baseless self esteem tethered to the accident of his skin color. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1548 "2012-06-14T22:45:47Z")
I just want to post [this link from Mr. Dibble a few posts ago,](http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v464/n7290/fig_tab/nature08976_F3.html) again, because it completely obliterates NDD’s views on “racial groups”. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1549 "2012-06-14T22:50:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The populations cited do not correspond to your “racial groups”. They’re totally different. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Considering that “Negro” is pretty much meaningless with regards to genetics, that sentence is pretty meaningless. The New York Times November 11, 2007 When scientists first decoded the human genome in 2000, they were quick to portray it as proof of humankind’s remarkable similarity. The DNA of any two people, they emphasized, is at least 99 percent identical. But new research is exploring the remaining fraction to explain differences between people of different continental origins. Scientists, for instance, have recently identified small changes in DNA that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases. At the same time, genetic information is slipping out of the laboratory and into everyday life, carrying with it the inescapable message that people of different races have different DNA. Ancestry tests tell customers what percentage of their genes are from Asia, Europe, Africa and the Americas… Certain superficial traits like skin pigmentation have long been presumed to be genetic. But the ability to pinpoint their DNA source makes the link between genes and race more palpable. And on mainstream blogs, in college classrooms and among the growing community of ancestry test-takers, it is prompting the question of whether more profound differences may also be attributed to DNA… “There are clear differences between people of different continental ancestries,” said Marcus W. Feldman, a professor of biological sciences at Stanford University. “It’s not there yet for things like I.Q., but I can see it coming. > **[In DNA Era, New Worries About Prejudice (Published 2007)](https://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/us/11dna.html?pagewanted=all)** > > Research is exploring how DNA explains racial differences, but it could give discredited prejudices a new potency. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1550 "2012-06-14T23:08:21Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > In other words there are genetic differences between racial groups. As more is learned about these differences it will be better understood why some racial groups have higher average IQs and lower crime rates than other groups. Ignoring, for a moment, this absurdly transparent attempt to sidestep and obfuscate, my post was in response to your request for evidence that African populations are more genetically diverse and less related to each other than other racial groups. You are attempting to sidestep this into other topics. So how about it? I have provided evidence to back up my claim. What is your response to that particular claim? Am I correct or wrong? If I am wrong, please explain how. If I am correct, please acknowledge that you were incorrect. If you refuse to do either, please stop pretending that your views are in any way influenced or backed up by science and are anything more than your own prejudiced opinions. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1551 "2012-06-14T23:15:41Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The New York Times November 11, 2007 > > When scientists first decoded the human genome in 2000, they were quick to portray it as proof of humankind’s remarkable similarity. The DNA of any two people, they emphasized, is at least 99 percent identical. > > But new research is exploring the remaining fraction to explain differences between people of different continental origins. > > Scientists, for instance, have recently identified small changes in DNA that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases. > > At the same time, genetic information is slipping out of the laboratory and into everyday life, carrying with it the inescapable message that people of different races have different DNA. Ancestry tests tell customers what percentage of their genes are from Asia, Europe, Africa and the Americas… > > Certain superficial traits like skin pigmentation have long been presumed to be genetic. But the ability to pinpoint their DNA source makes the link between genes and race more palpable. And on mainstream blogs, in college classrooms and among the growing community of ancestry test-takers, it is prompting the question of whether more profound differences may also be attributed to DNA… > > “There are clear differences between people of different continental ancestries,” said Marcus W. Feldman, a professor of biological sciences at Stanford University. “It’s not there yet for things like I.Q., but I can see it coming. > [http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/us/11dna.html?pagewanted=all](http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/us/11dna.html?pagewanted=all) Way to ignore, yet again, the phyologenetic tree that shows that your “racial groups” do not exist when speaking of the genetic relationship between populations. “Black” or “Negro” is not a genetic population- and this article does nothing to support your notion that it is. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1552 "2012-06-15T00:01:12Z")
[QUOTE=NDD] A 100 percent Negro is one whom a DNA test would not reveal any non Negro ancestry. [/QUOTE] You are mind-numbingly obtuse. I literally LOLed. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1553 "2012-06-15T00:15:11Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > A 100 percent Negro is one whom a DNA test would not reveal any non Negro ancestry. You don’t get egregious examples of _begging the question_ like this one very often. Well done. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1554 "2012-06-15T01:46:34Z")
**NDD,** are you 100% Caucasian? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1555 "2012-06-15T02:24:34Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > A 100 percent Negro is one whom a DNA test would not reveal any non Negro ancestry. Should we only classify people who are “100 percent Negro” to be “black” or there a different definition for who is and isn’t “black”? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1556 "2012-06-15T02:35:11Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > A 100 percent Negro is one whom a DNA test would not reveal any non Negro ancestry. I’ll take Circular Reasoning for $400, Alex ! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1557 "2012-06-15T03:32:50Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Surprise, surprise, surprise. > > NDD didn’t even bother examining any of that material or figure out how it doesn’t say what he thinks it says. Or the fact that his “black African” race can’t be picked out on any of the population groups in those studies. > > Just declare victory and move on, like NDD does. All we’re missing is a giant “Mission Accomplished” banner. See, it is like playing chess with a chicken. You advance your rook and put him in check. He pecks at one of his own pawns and swallows it, then crows loudly. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1558 "2012-06-15T03:43:40Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > A 100 percent Negro is one whom a DNA test would not reveal any non Negro ancestry. By that criterion, there are no 100% white people. You, in fact, are a Negro. ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1559 "2012-06-15T03:58:06Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > See, it is like playing chess with a chicken. > > You advance your rook and put him in check. > > He pecks at one of his own pawns and swallows it, then crows loudly. Very unproductive, but very, _very_ well done. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1560 "2012-06-15T06:22:51Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > A 100 percent Negro is one whom a DNA test would not reveal any non Negro ancestry. “[The First Rule of Tautology Club is the First Rule of Tautology Club](http://xkcd.com/703/)” - I know that’s not the _precise_ fallacy being perpetrated here, but I love that cartoon [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=77) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=79)