# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 80
**Author:** ![IceQube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@IceQube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IceQube)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1581 "2012-06-15T21:33:29Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > **NDD has admitted that his view are completely unscientific, not backed up by any sort of data at all, and are nothing more than his own prejudiced opinions** lol. Can’t wait for his rejoinder. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1582 "2012-06-15T21:36:41Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > So, NDD, since you are deliberately ignoring my posts, I assume you’ve chosen the final option. > > **NDD has admitted that his view are completely unscientific, not backed up by any sort of data at all, and are nothing more than his own prejudiced opinions** > > Thanks, NDD. That clears things up nicely. You do not improve a bad argument by yelling. I do not have the time or the inclination to respond to every flame attack. My argument, which is fairly easy to understand, has never been refuted, only yelled at. The races can be easily distinguished by DNA testing. By every objective criteria they differ in average intelligence and crime rates. This can be easily verified using credible sources. I have done so repeatedly. Those who maintain that these differences are not biological maintain something for which there is no evidence at all. If the differences were exclusively, or even primarily environmental they would be more flexible. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1583 "2012-06-15T21:58:49Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The races can be easily distinguished by DNA testing. No. They cannot be. That phylogenetic tree totally destroys this statement. Many populations of sub-Saharan Africans (“Negroes”) are closer to Eurasians then to many other populations of sub-Saharan Africans. This is a _fact_. Do you deny this fact? > [@](#): > > By every objective criteria they differ in average intelligence and crime rates. No. Not every objective measure. Just the ones you haven’t ignored. What about Nigerian immigrants? The studies that show the gap is closing? The fact that many Latin American countries have higher murder rates than most African countries? And even if _every single statistic_ showed that “blacks” had lower achievements and higher murder rates in all cases (they don’t), it still would provide zero information about genetics. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1584 "2012-06-15T21:59:15Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The races can be easily distinguished by DNA testing. Every single citation in this thread shows otherwise. You keep flinging poo but none of it is sticking. At some point you have to conclude that either: [ol] [li]You have no clue what you are talking about[/li][li]You are desperately trying to obfuscate the facts because you are a bigot[/li][li]You are trolling[/li][/ol] Really, at this point those are the only reasonable conclusions. I’ve lost my ability to care which one is true. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1585 "2012-06-15T22:23:10Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > You do not improve a bad argument by yelling. It finally got you to acknowledge the statement rather than continuing to ignore it. > [@](#): > > I do not have the time or the inclination to respond to every flame attack. My argument, which is fairly easy to understand, has never been refuted, only yelled at. It’s been completely refuted, repeatedly. But you refuse to acknowledge it. Hence the yelling. > [@](#): > > The races can be easily distinguished by DNA testing. By every objective criteria they differ in average intelligence and crime rates. This can be easily verified using credible sources. I have done so repeatedly. This is a lie. > [@](#): > > Those who maintain that these differences are not biological maintain something for which there is no evidence at all. If the differences were exclusively, or even primarily environmental they would be more flexible. This is moronic. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1586 "2012-06-15T22:41:07Z")
NDD: The moon is made of delicious cheese. Everybody else: No, it’s not. We’ve got an abundance of evidence, both direct and indirect that refutes the notion of lunar dairy products. NDD: Who cares if it’s milking moon cows, moon goats, or moon snakes? It’s still cheese. Everybody else: What do farm animals have to do with it? And moon snakes? That makes even less sense than your original crazy notion. NDD: So, you can’t refute my point? Everybody else: We already refuted your point. NDD: See this moon rock. It’s clearly a cheese like substance. Everybody else: WTF? B84: I’m going to jump in hear and mention you can milk snake venom. Everybody else: Great, another loon. So, what? Irrelevance aside, you can’t make snake venom into cheese since there’s no milk in it. B84: But they call it “milking” for a reason. And it sure looks like milk. Everybody else: Well, why don’t you drink some of it. NDD: Well, the important thing is that the moon can be distinguished from other celestial bodies by its dairy composition. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1587 "2012-06-15T23:13:58Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > NDD: The moon is made of delicious cheese. > Everybody else: No, it’s not. We’ve got an abundance of evidence, both direct and indirect that refutes the notion of lunar dairy products. > NDD: Who cares if it’s milking moon cows, moon goats, or moon snakes? It’s still cheese. > Everybody else: What do farm animals have to do with it? And moon snakes? That makes even less sense than your original crazy notion. > NDD: So, you can’t refute my point? > Everybody else: We already refuted your point. > NDD: See this moon rock. It’s clearly a cheese like substance. > Everybody else: WTF? > B84: I’m going to jump in hear and mention you can milk snake venom. > Everybody else: Great, another loon. So, what? Irrelevance aside, you can’t make snake venom into cheese since there’s no milk in it. > B84: But they call it “milking” for a reason. And it sure looks like milk. > Everybody else: Well, why don’t you drink some of it. > NDD: Well, the important thing is that the moon can be distinguished from other celestial bodies by its dairy composition. _grmbl_ [plagiarist](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15147276&postcount=480)… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1588 "2012-06-15T23:21:58Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > _grmbl_ [plagiarist](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15147276&postcount=480)… 😛 Wow, I must have had that in the back of my mind. My apologies. I suppose this is the evidence of genetic superiority of Anti’s over Bob’s. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1589 "2012-06-16T00:11:14Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Wow, I must have had that in the back of my mind. My apologies. Don’t worry about it, mate. Great minds think alike and shit :). ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1590 "2012-06-16T00:30:58Z")
I’d like to tack [Debaser](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15119199&postcount=127) onto the et. al. What a mome. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1591 "2012-06-16T01:57:55Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > Sigh… haven’t we gone through this before? Even if I take the time to do your work for you, It’s not my work. You are making a claim and I am asking you to back it up or take it back. In other words, put up or shut up. Although somehow I expect you will do neither. > [@](#): > > I’ll say he answered the question you asked with his post 918 But did he answer the specific question of mine which he quoted? It’s a simple yes or no question. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1592 "2012-06-16T02:20:34Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The consequences being that **NDD** ’s theory about the group cannot be true. And what exactly is **NDD** ’s theory in your view? > [@](#): > > I don’t see anyone else having problems with it. What difference does that make? Your claim is that the statement “a group doesn’t exist” means that “it doesn’t exist” Your explanation is circular and meaningless. > [@](#): > > The criteria are what define membership of the group. Umm, does that mean yes or no? I mean, one could easily set up simple criteria to define “black” For example, you could define “black people” as anyone who responds “yes” to the question “are you black?” > [@](#): > > If you’re comparing genetic populations, you have to define what genes or genetic factors define those populations. Are you able to define what genes or genetic factors define “Han Chinese” and “Ashkenazim”? If so, please do so. If not, then would you agree that by your reasoning, it’s impossible to compare Ashkenazim and Han Chinese as genetic populations? > [@](#): > > Yes, they exist as a self-defined group. And would you agree that by the same reasoning “blacks” exist as a self-defined group? > [@](#): > > This is what I said:This is what **NDD** said:To break it down: "Population X share a phenotype and a geographic and cultural background. They do Y."See? Population X doing Y. Then - > > My phrasing: “They must therefore also share a genotype to which we can attribute Y.” > > His phrasing:Right there - the attribution of Y to common genes. I see that you have misstated NDD’s argument. But I would imagine you take a lot of satisfaction in attacking strawmen. > [@](#): > > Technically correct but utterly missing the point. No, you are missing the point. Which is that you are unable to set forth precise criteria for whether a group “exists as a genetic grouping.” Because obviously it’s just a smokescreen for your special pleading. > [@](#): > > If you’re comparing cats and dogs it does you no good to discuss traits common to all quadripeds. Do you not understand this? Of course I understand – but you are missing the point. > [@](#): > > Sorry - aren’t you guys the ones making claims about genetics? I’m not the only one. I thought you were making claims about genetics too. Are you not? It’s a simple, reasonable question: > [@](#): > > And what are the criteria for determining whether a group is “coherent and distinct”? Please answer it. (Or admit that it’s just more smokescreen for your special pleading.) > [@](#): > > I, and quite a lot of other people including actual scientists, are saying that those common genetic traits do not exist, and thus any conclusions about the genetic makeup of this “race” as he defines it are meaningless. And what are the “distinctive common genetic traits” for Han Chinese? What are they for Ashkenazim? And if you cannot point to any, then by your reasoning, any conclusions about the genetic makeup of these groups are meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1593 "2012-06-16T02:26:08Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > **^Post 748.** > > Intelligence, unlike, say brown or blue eyes, is an incredibly complex thing to define and quantify. Agree, but it can be quantified reasonably well. Well enough to observe that like height, there is a strong genetic influence. You haven’t articulated any reason why intelligence is unique among measurable traits in that one should not expect it to vary among races and ethnic groups like pretty much any other measurable trait. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1594 "2012-06-16T02:28:47Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > No, you, in particular, are a fucking moron on any subject you post on, whether it’s race or global warming. You’re stupid, you’re a liar, and completely undeserving of anything but ridicule. Lol, sorry that my pointing out the truth makes you so angry. > [@](#): > > I’m not interested in wasting time debating you, you moron, because (to reiterate) _you’re a fucking moron_. Nice excuse to cover up your lack of response on the merits. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1595 "2012-06-16T02:30:04Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I do not have the time or the inclination to respond to every flame attack. What flame attack? You asked me for data to back up one of my statements. I provided it. You did not respond. I asked you for a response. You refused. I pointed it out. I am still waiting for an intelligent response from you addressing what I actually said. You have not provided one. At no point in this exchange did I flame you. I used a large font to make it more obvious that you are ignoring my data. That’s not a flame. So I ask you again: given the cites that I provided, do you agree with my initial assertion that there is more genetic variation within African populations than other ethnic groups? If you do not agree, explain why my cited data is wrong. If you do agree, acknowledge that you were wrong. It’s one or the other. There’s no other option. Except, of course, your childish dancing around the issue that you continue to perform, which is making you lose whatever tiny shreds of credibility were still clinging to you. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1596 "2012-06-16T02:30:45Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > What astounding ignorance of history. Care to summarize this important “history” of which I am ignorant? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1597 "2012-06-16T02:35:03Z")
So Brazzy, Once again, what “simple questions” did I refuse to answer? I honestly don’t remember, but if you’re telling the truth, rather than covering up for a time I embarrassed you it should be easy to point them out. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1598 "2012-06-16T04:23:25Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Agree, but it can be quantified reasonably well. Well enough to observe that like height, there is a strong genetic influence. You haven’t articulated any reason why intelligence is unique among measurable traits in that one should not expect it to vary among races and ethnic groups like pretty much any other measurable trait. Mmmm, far too simplistic to answer, as height is a measurement in only one dimension. _One._ We also know that intelligence is affected by hundreds, if not thousands of genes; some identified, most not. And all evidence shows that intelligence is in part a culmination of these genes, each of which on their own, only affects a minuscule portion or area of cognition. So, to that end, you’ll have to tell me how many dimensions of measurement does it take to determine intelligence in a comprehensive, objective, and meaningful manner? Once you can provide a sufficient answer for this figure, you’ll need to assess how many genes affect those dimensions? When you get that far, tell me how these specific genes are spread across a random cross-section of the world population. At least a few thousand individual samples will be necessary for an adequate control group. Now, compare these results with a sufficient sample from any race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, or whatever arbitrary definition for a group of people you care to examine and let me know what the results are. OR, You can just look at IQ tests and crime rates. Practically the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1599 "2012-06-16T04:27:36Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Lol, sorry that my pointing out the truth makes you so angry. I’m not angry, I’m simply making a factual statement. You’re a laughingstock on this board for all the reasons I mentioned, and rightly so. "Lol"ing about it just makes you look like even more of a dipshit. > [@](#): > > Nice excuse to cover up your lack of response on the merits. As I said to your fellow fucking moron NDD, this is the Pit, you fucking moron. The Pit is for ridiculing assholes like you, not for debating them. It’s pointless to debate you on the merits, because you’re ignorant, you’re stupid, you’re a liar, and you’ll never, ever acknowledge when you’ve lost a debate. And you’ve lost every debate you’ve ever engaged in here. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1600 "2012-06-16T05:41:30Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Care to summarize this important “history” of which I am ignorant? Recorded. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=79) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=81)