# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 81
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1601 "2012-06-16T05:43:19Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Recorded. _slow clap_ ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1602 "2012-06-16T09:32:04Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Mmmm, far too simplistic to answer, as height is a measurement in only one dimension. _One._ > > We also know that intelligence is affected by hundreds, if not thousands of genes; some identified, most not. And all evidence shows that intelligence is in part a culmination of these genes, each of which on their own, only affects a minuscule portion or area of cognition. How many genes affect height? How many genes affect the shape of one’s body? > [@](#): > > So, to that end, you’ll have to tell me how many dimensions of measurement does it take to determine intelligence in a comprehensive, objective, and meaningful manner? One does a pretty good job. Just like “dress size” does a passable job of describing the shape of a girl’s body. Besides which, assuming for the sake of argument that intelligence is very complex and affected by a lot of different genes, why does it follow that unlike other traits, (genetic propensity for) intelligence is distributed equally among races and ethnicities? > [@](#): > > You can just look at IQ tests and crime rates. Practically the same thing. It certainly contains a lot of useful information. Just like dress size. But let’s do this: Define “intelligence-prime” as intelligence as measured by an IQ test. Is it your position that unlike other genetically informed traits, genetic propensity for intelligence-prime is distributed equally among all races and ethnic groups? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1603 "2012-06-16T09:38:15Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I’m not angry, I’m simply making a factual statement. Funny that your “factual statement” happens to be a baseless insult as opposed to an actual response on the merits. > [@](#): > > You’re a laughingstock on this board Certainly among Leftists who post here. Who will attack anyone who dares challenge their dogma. > [@](#): > > As I said to your fellow fucking moron NDD, this is the Pit, you fucking moron. The Pit is for ridiculing assholes like you, not for debating them. It’s pointless to debate you on the merits, because you’re ignorant, you’re stupid, you’re a liar, and you’ll never, ever acknowledge when you’ve lost a debate. You’ve just described yourself pretty well. Project much? ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1604 "2012-06-16T11:15:34Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Oh now it’s back to bashing the gingers, eh? > > 😉 Oh, Gingers are defo “Untermenschen” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1605 "2012-06-16T12:28:32Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > NDD: The moon is made of delicious cheese. > Everybody else: No, it’s not. We’ve got an abundance of evidence, both direct and indirect that refutes the notion of lunar dairy products. > NDD: Who cares if it’s milking moon cows, moon goats, or moon snakes? It’s still cheese. > Everybody else: What do farm animals have to do with it? And moon snakes? That makes even less sense than your original crazy notion. > NDD: So, you can’t refute my point? > Everybody else: We already refuted your point. > NDD: See this moon rock. It’s clearly a cheese like substance. > Everybody else: WTF? > B84: I’m going to jump in hear and mention you can milk snake venom. > Everybody else: Great, another loon. So, what? Irrelevance aside, you can’t make snake venom into cheese since there’s no milk in it. > B84: But they call it “milking” for a reason. And it sure looks like milk. > Everybody else: Well, why don’t you drink some of it. > NDD: Well, the important thing is that the moon can be distinguished from other celestial bodies by its dairy composition. WTF? Are you really trying to tell me now, that the moon is not made out of cheese? That’s as ridicules as saying that Santa Clause is not real, which is so wrong. Why else would we make movies about him, have a holiday for him and why would my parents lie about something like this? Or why are my neighbours lying about this to their children. So Santa Clause is fact – he is REAL, for crying out loud. Since you refuse to acknowledge the existence of Santa Clause, your statement of the moon not being made out of dairy cheese must also be wrong. So far not a single person has been to the moon, there is no proof of ever a human being being to the moon. After all, everybody knows, that the moon landing is a fake!!! [FAKE](http://stuffucanuse.com/fake_moon_landings/moon_landings.htm)! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1606 "2012-06-16T12:34:25Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Is it your position that unlike other genetically informed traits, genetic propensity for intelligence-prime is distributed equally among all races and ethnic groups? No one has made any claim about any trait being “distributed equally” among all races and ethnic groups. There has been no evidence provided that any “race” or population has any genetic tendency towards higher crime rate or lower intelligence. And all the evidence shows that “black” or “negro” is not a distinct genetic group from the rest of humanity- by this I mean that one cannot group all “black” populations together by most recent common ancestor (which can be tracked using the tools of genetics) without also including all Eurasian populations. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1607 "2012-06-16T13:13:21Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Is it your position that unlike other genetically informed traits, genetic propensity for intelligence-crime is distributed equally among all races and ethnic groups? > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No one has made any claim about any trait being “distributed equally” among all races and ethnic groups. There has been no evidence provided that any “race” or population has any genetic tendency towards higher crime rate or lower intelligence. If genetic tendencies toward intelligence and crime are not distributed equally among all racial groups it logically follows that well documented differences in racial crime rates and average IQ are at least partially determined by genes that vary among the races. In other words, some races really do have genetic tendencies toward crime and stupidity, just as other races have genetic tendencies in the opposite direction. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1608 "2012-06-16T13:20:25Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > In other words, some races really do have genetic tendencies toward crime and stupidity, just as other races have genetic tendencies in the opposite direction. You’ve provided no evidence of this, only evidence of an “achievement gap”. And the “races” are not genetically distinct from each other. Are you ever going to even acknowledge that phylogenetic tree that shows how many African populations are closer to Eurasians than they are to many other African populations? ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1609 "2012-06-16T13:26:28Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > In other words, some races really do have genetic tendencies toward crime and stupidity, just as other races have genetic tendencies in the opposite direction. Is this the NDD gen-based race? That race definitely has a strong tendency to stupidity! ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1610 "2012-06-16T13:33:09Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If genetic tendencies toward intelligence and crime are not distributed equally among all racial groups it logically follows that well documented differences in racial crime rates and average IQ are at least partially determined by genes that vary among the races. > > In other words, some races really do have genetic tendencies toward crime and stupidity, just as other races have genetic tendencies in the opposite direction. Intelligence is clearly not spread equally across every human, regardless of race. You are a clear example of a stupid individual with a poor IQ for reasoning and a strong tendency to ignorance and stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1611 "2012-06-16T14:09:44Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You’ve provided no evidence of this, only evidence of an “achievement gap”. And the “races” are not genetically distinct from each other. Are you ever going to even acknowledge that phylogenetic tree that shows how many African populations are closer to Eurasians than they are to many other African populations? “That phylogenetic tree that shows how many African populations are closer to Eurasians than they are to many other African populations,” does not change the fact that Negroes have much lower average IQs than whites of European descent and Orientals. Such a tree would demonstrate that Australian Aborigines are further apart from Negroes than Caucasians, but the Aborigines have even lower average IQs. Average intelligence and crime rates are determined less by genetic closeness than by differing population pressures since the beginning of agriculture ten thousand years ago in the Near East, and the beginning of civilization there five thousand years later. There is plenty of evidence that racial groups differ by average ability levels and behavior. When you deny this you are really saying that specific genes determining ability and behavior have not been discovered yet. They will be. Before genes were discovered, and indeed before egg and sperm cells were discovered it was universally understood that closely related organisms resembled each other more than less closely related organisms. That is how it was possible for humans who knew nothing of modern science to breed domestic plants and animals. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1612 "2012-06-16T14:30:02Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Before genes were discovered, and indeed before egg and sperm cells were discovered it was universally understood that closely related organisms resembled each other more than less closely related organisms. That is how it was possible for humans who knew nothing of modern science to breed domestic plants and animals. And that explains the reason, why your parents had experiments with sheep, in Ireland we call them “Sheep-shaggers”. However, it seems that you (NDD) were the first successfully conceived child of this cross breed. Which also explains your plain stupidity. And you are absolutely right, a black sheep is clearly dumber and prone to more violence and crime than a white sheep. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1613 "2012-06-16T14:30:35Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Before genes were discovered, and indeed before egg and sperm cells were discovered it was universally understood that closely related organisms resembled each other more than less closely related organisms. Then obviously, as that phylogenetic tree shows, many African populations (like the Yoruba) should more closely resemble Eurasians then they do the many other African populations that they are farther from, right? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1614 "2012-06-16T14:30:52Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > What flame attack? You asked me for data to back up one of my statements. I provided it. You did not respond. I asked you for a response. You refused. I pointed it out. I am still waiting for an intelligent response from you addressing what I actually said. You have not provided one. At no point in this exchange did I flame you. I used a large font to make it more obvious that you are ignoring my data. That’s not a flame. > > So I ask you again: given the cites that I provided, do you agree with my initial assertion that there is more genetic variation within African populations than other ethnic groups? If you do not agree, explain why my cited data is wrong. If you do agree, acknowledge that you were wrong. > > It’s one or the other. There’s no other option. Except, of course, your childish dancing around the issue that you continue to perform, which is making you lose whatever tiny shreds of credibility were still clinging to you. So you’re STILL choosing to ignore me, rather than engage with my data. What does that say about your intellectual honesty? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1615 "2012-06-16T14:33:14Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > “That phylogenetic tree that shows how many African populations are closer to Eurasians than they are to many other African populations,” does not change the fact that Negroes have much lower average IQs than whites of European descent and Orientals. So, in summary, in NDD-land: “It doesn’t matter that there’s no _ **actual** _ genetic evidence - only that there _ **should** _ be genetic differences because that’s what I desperately hope to believe.” Gotcha. Just wanted that admission. Took its time coming, though. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1616 "2012-06-16T14:33:41Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > There is plenty of evidence that racial groups differ by average ability levels and behavior. When you deny this you are really saying that specific genes determining ability and behavior have not been discovered yet. They will be. The second sentence invalidates the first. There is no _genetic_ evidence that “racial groups” (which you have failed, miserably, to define) having different genetic tendencies towards intelligence or criminal behavior. You have no evidence of anything except for the existence of an achievement gap, which is not being denied. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1617 "2012-06-16T14:40:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The second sentence invalidates the first. There is no _genetic_ evidence that “racial groups” (which you have failed, miserably, to define) having different genetic tendencies towards intelligence or criminal behavior. You have no evidence of anything except for the existence of an achievement gap, which is not being denied. Whites and Orientals tend to perform better on all tests of mental aptitude and academic performance than Negroes. That is what I mean by the race gap. Those who maintain that the race gap is environmental need to point to an environment that has substantially reduced it. As I have pointed out on many occasions the races are distinguished by appearance, places of origins, and DNA testing. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1618 "2012-06-16T14:42:30Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Average intelligence and crime rates are determined less by genetic closeness than by differing population pressures since the beginning of agriculture ten thousand years ago in the Near East, and the beginning of civilization there five thousand years later. This seems to be the focus of your “hypothesis”- that somehow, the “races” (not clearly defined, and having no genetic relationship) that are descended from “great civilizations” (which is also extremely biased and ignores any achievements that don’t fit your narrative) are genetically inclined to greater intelligence and less crime. There’s no evidence of any of this- even for the assumptions (like the “races” you use, or the “great civilizations” that you pick and choose from)- but I want to go further than this… it’s just stupid. Why would it somehow require more intelligence to be successful and have lots of children in a “civilized” society than a hunter-gatherer society? Have you tried hunting and gathering? It’s not easy. A smart hunter and gatherer will get more food for his family than a stupid hunter and gatherer. A tribal leader (or just tribe member) who is smarter and better at getting his fellow hunter-gatherers to cooperate will be more successful than a stupid one, and his family and his tribe will have more food, resources, and children. So what is “special” about civilization that it makes intelligence more of an adaptive advantage? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1619 "2012-06-16T14:42:56Z")
[quote=“New\_Deal\_Democrat, post:1611, topic:623489”] “That phylogenetic tree that shows how many African populations are closer to Eurasians than they are to many other African populations,” does not change the fact that Negroes have much lower average IQs than whites of European descent and Orientals. Such a tree would demonstrate that Australian Aborigines are further apart from Negroes than Caucasians, but the Aborigines have even lower average IQs. > [@](#): > > Average intelligence and crime rates are determined less by genetic closeness than by differing population pressures since the beginning of agriculture ten thousand years ago in the Near East, and the beginning of civilization there five thousand years later. And so we have the proof extraordinary that NDD is entirely insensible to any logical thinking or any of the data all. He prefers to make up strange and entirely unscientific fables of Esope. He may not even understand how his own statements self-contradict and are nonsensical. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1620 "2012-06-16T14:47:48Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > As I have pointed out on many occasions the races are distinguished by appearance, places of origins, and **DNA testing**. The DNA testing is patently false- DNA might be able to tell something about what population parts of your ancestry hail from, but populations are not race. Many “black” populations are genetically more similar to Eurasians than to other “black” populations, as is clear from that phylogenetic tree. So why are a Yoruba and a San person both “black”, if the Yoruba is more closely related to Eurasians than to San? How does this make sense at all? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=80) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=82)