# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 82
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1621 "2012-06-16T14:55:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The DNA testing is patently false- DNA might be able to tell something about what population parts of your ancestry hail from, but populations are not race. Many “black” populations are genetically more similar to Eurasians than to other “black” populations, as is clear from that phylogenetic tree. So why are a Yoruba and a San person both “black”, if the Yoruba is more closely related to Eurasians than to San? How does this make sense at all? The major races are Caucasians, Orientals, and Negroes. These can be distinguished by DNA testing. They also differ significantly in terms of average intelligence and crime rates. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1622 "2012-06-16T14:58:49Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The major races are Caucasians, Orientals, and Negroes. These can be distinguished by DNA testing. They also differ significantly in terms of average intelligence and crime rates. Somehow, you hold this to be true, even though some “Negro” populations are closer to “Caucasian” and “Oriental” populations than to other “Negro” populations. And you’ve admitted this. How is it possible to hold two contradictory ideas in your head? How is population A in the same race as B, if A is more closely related to C (which is in a different race) then to B? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1623 "2012-06-16T14:59:16Z")
You continue to assert what the genetic evidence shows to be false. It only makes you look more stupid. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1624 "2012-06-16T15:01:45Z")
It’s like saying “quadrupeds” is a useful genetic classifier- so dogs and lizards are closer than dogs and humans. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1625 "2012-06-16T15:12:04Z")
This argumentation, it is truly in fact surreal. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1626 "2012-06-16T15:19:26Z")
> [@New Deal Democrat](#): > > Before genes were discovered, and indeed before egg and sperm cells were discovered it was universally understood that closely related organisms resembled each other more than less closely related organisms. In the book _Origin of Species_ Darwin actually discusses taxonomy in detail, discussing arguments among various botanists about the relations between various plants. As it turns out, various beneficial traits had been evolved in isolation and there was a “false homology” effect, assuming that because two organisms shared a trait they were closely related. A great example of this would be the bat and the bird (Leviticus 11:13-19), or the flying squirrel. Edit: Oh yeah, one of the common themes of racist screeds is to compare black people to the other great apes, but one trait is often overlooked, the thinness of white lips. There were also arguments about neoteny and ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny, but you’ll have to pursue Gould for more. > [@brazil84](#): > > Care to summarize this important “history” of which I am ignorant? Here, [wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti%E2%80%93United_States_relations#The_United_States_Occupation_.281915.E2.80.931934.29) ought to help. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1627 "2012-06-16T15:24:48Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > So you’re STILL choosing to ignore me, rather than engage with my data. What does that say about your intellectual honesty? Still being ignored, despite having responded to several other people. Why is that, NDD? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1628 "2012-06-16T15:28:48Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > In the book _Origin of Species_ Darwin actually discusses taxonomy in detail, discussing arguments among various botanists about the relations between various plants. As it turns out, various beneficial traits had been evolved in isolation and there was a “false homology” effect, assuming that because two organisms shared a trait they were closely related. A great example of this would be the bat and the bird (Leviticus 11:13-19), or the flying squirrel. Parallel evolution can cause dissimilar species to resemble each other if they share similar environments. Sharks and dolphins resemble each other more closely than dolphins resemble humans, but dolphins and humans are more closely related. Parallel evolution can also be seen in civilizations that originated independently with no contact between each other. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1629 "2012-06-16T15:30:38Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > No Negro author compares with Homer, the Greek tragic dramatists, Dante, or Shakespeare, not to mention the giants of Russian literature. > [@Ramira](#): > > It is only possible to write such a thing if you are deliberately ignorant and such a primitive racist that you can not even admit real data. > > But this is not news, you are a primitive. > > We can understand this as “no one I can read or I have learned about when in my schooling” > > Of course if you are Francophone there is in fact some very important writings by authors that in your scheme are black that are respected by even the most culturally conservative. Also in the Portuguese. And in the Arabic some of the most celebrated poets of the classical poetry are known in history as being Habashine, that is black. > > Your very primitive knowledge and very provincial anglophone knowledge, it says nothing of writing and one must be frank, it only embarasses yourself. > > It is more embarassing for you that among the Russians, the poetry of Poushkin is considered a national treasure, and Pouchkin was notably very proud of his Eithiopian grandfather. By the internally incoherent logic of race you promote, Pouchkin like Dumas and other authors that your provincial american education would not let you know about, must be considered as Negro as you say. And it is already pointed out, you do not make coherent differences on descent - as we have seen in your citation to the new article on descendence. > > Your standards, they are incoherent. They are only ad hoc and they change simply to fit the prejudices that are derived from some archaic ideas that have no scientific logic or coherence. lol, yes [Dumas](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Dumas,_p%C3%A8re) and [Pushkin](https://www.google.ca/search?rlz=1C1ASUT_enCA465CA465&aq=f&sugexp=chrome,mod=1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=pushkin). Jeez, how can the shit-brained ignorant fool drop “negro inferiority” to Russian literature and not know about the greatest man in Russia literature? Pushkin’s fucking Shakespeare to the Russians. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1630 "2012-06-16T15:33:02Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Edit: Oh yeah, one of the common themes of racist screeds is to compare black people to the other great apes, but one trait is often overlooked, the thinness of white lips. There were also arguments about neoteny and ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny, but you’ll have to pursue Gould for more. Whites also have more body hair. The loss of body hair was probably a response to the hot climate of Africa. The ancestors of Negroes probably continued to lose body hair after the ancestors of Caucasians left Africa. That theory of mine does not explain why Mongoloids also have less body hair. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1631 "2012-06-16T15:35:18Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > lol, yes [Dumas](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Dumas,_p%C3%A8re) and [Pushkin](https://www.google.ca/search?rlz=1C1ASUT_enCA465CA465&aq=f&sugexp=chrome,mod=1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=pushkin). Jeez, how can the shit-brained ignorant fool drop “negro inferiority” to Russian literature and not know about the greatest man in Russia literature? Pushkin’s fucking Shakespeare to the Russians. But only to the Russians. Also, he was predominately Caucasian. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1632 "2012-06-16T15:36:24Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Here, [wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti%E2%80%93United_States_relations#The_United_States_Occupation_.281915.E2.80.931934.29) ought to help. Please just summarize what whites have done in Haiti since 1803 which resulted in the underachievement of Haitians. If there is a convincing argument or evidence out there, you should be able to summarize it. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1633 "2012-06-16T15:40:22Z")
Oh, by the way brazil84, if I were a racist apologist, I’d definitely take the route that “they deserved it because their military inferiority was evidence of their lack of intelligence, thus the devastation and poverty caused by their occupation was by proxy their own fault”. There are two issues with such a stance. The first is that it relies on the just world hypothesis, which can cause special pleading - if a rich white or Asian has many children, that’s evidence of their superior intelligence, while if a poor black has many, it’s evidence of the opposite. If a white man kills many black people, it’s superior military planning. If a black man kills many white people, it’s because of their predisposition to violence and criminality. The second problem (really a virtue) is that it is undisprovable. Military intelligence is defined as victory, it’s tautological. That said, Charles Murray holds undisprovability as a virtue, rather than [not even wrong](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong). Then again, you could always pull a tu quoque and point out that the stereotype threat is undisprovable when used as evidence for environmental effects for achievement gaps beyond institutional discrimination and socioeconomic status. Edit: The US occupied the country. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1634 "2012-06-16T15:40:49Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > So you’re STILL choosing to ignore me, rather than engage with my data. What does that say about your intellectual honesty? If you argument is so good repeat it. I have more important things to do than wade through the insults directed at me by those who are incapable of responding rationally to me. Also, if you want me to take you seriously, do not post a link to some long turgid article that claims to refute Charles Murray. Present your own arguments using your own words, using the internet only to document factual assertions. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1635 "2012-06-16T15:42:12Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Parallel evolution can cause dissimilar species to resemble each other if they share similar environments. Sharks and dolphins resemble each other more closely than dolphins resemble humans, but dolphins and humans are more closely related. > > Parallel evolution can also be seen in civilizations that originated independently with no contact between each other. And you have the evidence that sharks and dolphins that show parallel evolution are so closely related that they can breed? ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1636 "2012-06-16T15:42:28Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > But only to the Russians. Also, he was predominately Caucasian. “Only to the Russians?” Who the fuck do you think Shakespeare is to the Spanish? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1637 "2012-06-16T15:43:46Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Oh, by the way brazil84, if I were a racist apologist, I’d definitely take the route that “they deserved it because their military inferiority was evidence of their lack of intelligence, thus the devastation and poverty caused by their occupation was by proxy their own fault”. Is that really the best argument (in your view) which could be made against you? I’m still waiting for you to summarize exactly what whites have done in Haiti which resulted in Haitian underachievement. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1638 "2012-06-16T15:45:54Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Funny that your “factual statement” happens to be a baseless insult as opposed to an actual response on the merits. No, it’s a matter of fact. Your posts show you to be stupid, ignorant, and dishonest, so there is really no point in debating you on the merits - especially since you lost the debate long ago. > [@](#): > > Certainly among Leftists who post here. Who will attack anyone who dares challenge their dogma. That’s hilarious. Falling back on the excuse that your arguments are only rejected for political reasons is the last refuge of the imbecile. > [@](#): > > You’ve just described yourself pretty well. Project much? Here’s a tip: “I know you are, but what am I?” doesn’t work after fifth grade. It just makes you look even more idiotic. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1639 "2012-06-16T15:50:31Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Is that really the best argument (in your view) which could be made against you? > > I’m still waiting for you to summarize exactly what whites have done in Haiti which resulted in Haitian underachievement. How about the entire western world [conducting an embargo](http://www.iacenter.org/haiti/embargoes.htm) against the black led, former slave nation. Lucky that young USA had France to legitimize it with the world powers while Haiti had…no one. But shit-brained ignorant racists like yourself are immune to simple history. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1640 "2012-06-16T15:50:43Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If you argument is so good repeat it. I have more important things to do than wade through the insults directed at me by those who are incapable of responding rationally to me. He has, everyone else already knows that you are not making sense, specially in the area of your demonstrated silliness at trying to teach grandma to suck eggs. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Also, if you want me to take you seriously, do not post a link to some long turgid article that claims to refute Charles Murray. Present your own arguments using your own words, using the internet only to document factual assertions. Your own words show how clueless you are, particularly the latest lame parallel evolution argument you made, as much as you want to ignore it, Charles Murray was never an expert in biology and genetics, and currently experts in the mater do not follow his “dizzying” great ideas. IOW the refutation of Murray is there already, your lack of any effort on finding working experts that not only follow Murray’s ideas in biology and genetics and also support your “therefore then this societal solutions are recommended” demonstrates to all but brazil how small your circles of influence are becoming Jeremy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=81) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=83)