# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 84
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1661 "2012-06-16T16:32:00Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > This is **history** and **facts** you stupid, dirt eating, illiterate, obtuse, ignorant, fool. You have no respect here. You probably will \*\*never \*\*have respect here. You are a failure. You have achieved the utmost opposite of any goal of persuasion on this board. > > If you really do believe the views you barf then you are a complete and utter failure. Good job, scum sucker. Good fucking job. In any formal debate you would be forcibly removed from the podium after an outburst like that. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1662 "2012-06-16T16:32:00Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > I do not understand how B84, Possibly you would have a better chance of understanding the issues here if you actually read and thought carefully about what is being said here. Something you have demonstrated that you are completely unwilling or unable to do. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1663 "2012-06-16T16:33:25Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > In any formal debate you would be forcibly removed from the podium after an outburst like that. Perhaps, but this is the last ditch argument of the “anti-racists” – just hurl insults like a monkey throwing sh\*t. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1664 "2012-06-16T16:33:37Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > You continue to assert what the genetic evidence shows to be false. It only makes you look more stupid. You do not prove that by asserting it. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1665 "2012-06-16T16:33:51Z")
If nothing else, the question in the thread title has been thoroughly answered. Can New Deal Democrat STFU? No. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1666 "2012-06-16T16:34:13Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I do, since you asserted that “that intelligence is affected by hundreds, if not thousands of genes.” > > So apparently you feel that the number of genes in play is important. > > But if you don’t care anymore, let’s stipulate for the sake of argument that height and body shape in general are affected by hundreds if not thousands of genes – just like intelligence. > > The same is not true of body shape. Agreed? > > I already answered the question. I said that one does it reasonably well. Just like dress size does a pretty good job of measuring a girl’s body shape. > > Now please answer my question: > > Define “intelligence-prime” as intelligence as measured by an IQ test. Is it your position that unlike other genetically informed traits, genetic propensity for intelligence-prime is distributed equally among all races and ethnic groups? > > Also, do you agree that “body shape” is not like “height” in that it cannot be captured completely with a one dimensional measurement? Wait, let me get this straight. You were the one comparing intelligence to height, and now your asking me to agree with your own ill-begotten conclusions? I’m not going to answer these false-dilemmas you’re obviously attempting to setting up. You’re a fucking smug asshole who wallows in his ignorance like a pig in shit, and thinks he’s so clever because he’s flung poo on everyone around him. Then you want me to agree the shit is fun to wallow in and tastes good too. Nope you’re just driving everyone away, you dickhole. So, stop picking apart my replies, then claiming I’m not answering your questions. Accept what I wrote and fucking move on. Your ways a far too transparent and laughable. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1667 "2012-06-16T16:38:44Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Perhaps, but this is the last ditch argument of the “anti-racists” – just hurl insults like a monkey throwing sh\*t. Insults are all the “anti racists” have in their arsenal. Logic and cold hard facts clearly discredit their hysterical rants. They do everything they can do to suppress a civil, rational discussion of this matter because they know they cannot win. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1668 "2012-06-16T16:38:59Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > You do not prove that by asserting it. But of course not, one proves this by presenting actual genetic relationship data and showing the variation does not match the archaic ideas that you advance. This was done several times, even in the graphical form. Since this, you have merely been making increasinably self contradictory assertions ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1669 "2012-06-16T16:39:16Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Instead of telling us to read a book, explain what is in the book using your own words. If you cannot do that, I doubt you understood the book. > > I can explain the basic argument of The Bell Curve. Intelligence is the most important factor in determining success in life. It is primarily determined by genetics. Whites tend to have quite a bit more of it than blacks. NDD, I wasn’t talking to you in this post, I was talking to those in the thread who might actually read a grown-up book about the subject in an attempt to become more educated. I already admit I can’t possibly dumb down ideas to the point where you can grasp them. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1670 "2012-06-16T16:39:21Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > In any formal debate you would be forcibly removed from the podium after an outburst like that. So what? This isn’t a formal debate, this is the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1671 "2012-06-16T16:41:38Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Instead of telling us to read a book, explain what is in the book using your own words. If you cannot do that, I doubt you understood the book. I basically agree. I encounter this approach all the time when I debate anti-Semites. After I demolish their arguments, their last stand is usually to say something like “Just read Kevin MacDonald’s Culture of Critique. It is well documented and demonstrates how Jews are ruining Western Culture.” But when I ask them, they are unable to summarize these killer arguments. Fundamentally, the “anti-racists” are no different from anti-Semites. The first group cannot accept the negative qualities inherent in blacks and therefore blame all of blacks’ problems on whites. The latter group cannot accept the negative qualities inherent in whites and therefore blame all of whites’ problems on Jews. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1672 "2012-06-16T16:45:14Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > So what? This isn’t a formal debate, this is the Pit. Just because insults are allowed her does not mean that they prove anything but the emptiness of the arguments of those who post them. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1673 "2012-06-16T16:47:16Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I basically agree. I encounter this approach all the time when I debate anti-Semites. After I demolish their arguments, their last stand is usually to say something like “Just read Kevin MacDonald’s Culture of Critique. It is well documented and demonstrates how Jews are ruining Western Culture.” But when I ask them, they are unable to summarize these killer arguments. > > Fundamentally, the “anti-racists” are no different from anti-Semites. The first group cannot accept the negative qualities inherent in blacks and therefore blame all of blacks’ problems on whites. The latter group cannot accept the negative qualities inherent in whites and therefore blame all of whites’ problems on Jews. I have enjoyed political arguments since I was a child. I could probably fill a small library with the books I have been told to read by those who could not respond to my fact based and logical arguments. I wonder if those who flame us have any shame at all. According to their image of things it is the white racists who are the ignorant, abusive bores who have nothing but invective to substantiate their prejudices. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1674 "2012-06-16T16:47:31Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Wait, let me get this straight. > > You were the one comparing intelligence to height, and now your asking me to agree with your own ill-begotten conclusions? My conclusions are reasonable, not “ill-begotten.” It is your arguments which are ill-begotten. First you claimed (or implied) that intelligence was different from other characteristics because it’s influenced by hundreds or thousands of genes. Now you have abandoned that argument. Next you claimed (or implied) that intelligence was different from other characteristics because it’s difficult to capture with just one number. When I pointed out that body shape is the same way, you (apparantly) abandoned that argument too. And what’s your next arugment? > [@](#): > > You’re a fucking smug asshole who wallows in his ignorance like a pig in shit, and thinks he’s so clever because he’s flung poo on everyone around him. Then you want me to agree the shit is fun to wallow in and tastes good too. > > Nope you’re just driving everyone away, you dickhole. Lol, brilliant. > [@](#): > > So, stop picking apart my replies, If you don’t want your replies scrutinized, just don’t reply to my posts. It’s as simple as that. > [@](#): > > Accept what I wrote and fucking move on. Lol, another brilliant argument. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1675 "2012-06-16T16:48:04Z")
B84, I wasn’t talking to you, either…:smack: ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1676 "2012-06-16T16:48:31Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > i.e. you can’t think of any way to distinguish it but you know it must be wrong because otherwise you would have to concede. > > Lol, you are evading the issue and I’ve won this exchange. > > You abandoned your “many genes” argument and now you are abandoning your “many dimensions” argument too. > > Not necessarily, I’m talking about whatever is measured by IQ tests. Perhaps that’s g, perhaps not. It’s just a way of showing that your “many dimensions” argument is a red herring. If it’s a red herring, than list the dimensions required to properly measure intelligence. As an act of good faith, I’ll do so for height: Measure one’s length. DONE. Your turn… Or, perhaps, you can’t think of any way to quantify it but you know it must be wrong because otherwise you would have to concede. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1677 "2012-06-16T16:51:12Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > If it’s a red herring, than list the dimensions required to properly measure intelligence. One does it reasonably well: IQ. > [@](#): > > As an act of good faith, I’ll do so for height: > > Measure one’s length. > > DONE. Your turn… Ok, now please list the dimensions required to properly measure body shape. Your turn. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1678 "2012-06-16T16:52:50Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > One does it reasonably well: IQ. IQ is a drastic oversimplification of many factors, and leaves some factors such as creativity completely in the dark. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1679 "2012-06-16T16:54:18Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > IQ is a drastic oversimplification of many factors, and leaves some factors such as creativity completely in the dark. Agreed. Do you agree that “dress size” is similarly an oversimplification of body shape? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1680 "2012-06-16T16:59:46Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > One does it reasonably well: IQ. > > Ok, now please list the dimensions required to properly measure body shape. > > Your turn. I’m not the one who originally asserted intelligence was as easy or informative as measuring height, or body shape, or whatever else you’re going to drag into this argument. Huh. So, IQ is an aqdequate way for determining someone’s intelligence. Would it tell you the genius behind Bobby Fischer? Picasso? Beethoven? How about the hate and horror of Hitler, Lenin, Kim Jong Il or his father? \*\*I could go on, but you’re a dishonest debater. A quick poll: Anyone who thinks brazil84 has demonstrated exceptional debating skills, and has primarily one his argument, say “Aye.” If you believe the inverse, say “Lol.”\*\* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=83) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=85)