# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 85
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1681 "2012-06-16T17:04:33Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Excuses. Excuses. Go to hell shithead. Don’t like history, then go to hell. History rocks. > [@](#): > > One fourth to one half of the German people were killed during the Thirty Years War that happened from 1618 to 1648. That’s nice, in 1618 the entire Hispaniola black population had been Spanish slaves for ~100 years. A “hardship” which would last until the 19th century (however, freedom came early for the Haitian side). > [@](#): > > Germany was starved during the First World War, and forced to pay a heavy indemnity during the 1920s. Germany was devastated during the Second World War. Nevertheless, Germany thrives, even during the Great Recession. And they (and the rest of Europe) also received [the Marshall Plan](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan) after WWII, no? Where was the Haitian version? > [@brazil84](#): > > Lol@ your mindless invective. Very persuasive. :rolleyes: > > I guess Liberal Excuse Number 56,124 isn’t that credible when you actually scrutinize it. My vitriol isn’t mindless. It’s peppered with facts and informed by your utter density. Now go away scum. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > In any formal debate you would be forcibly removed from the podium after an outburst like that. This isn’t an outburst. You’ve been insulted non-stop throughout this thread. This is a pile-on with some debunking mixed in for flavour. However, I’d be pleased with just bashing you at this point. You dishonest, ignorant, dense, fool. You have no idea how to form a coherent argument nor base it on reality. You equal \*\*Brazz \*\* in sheer intellectual impotence and lack of persuasion. You are a loser. You have lost **everything** here. We are all mocking you. Everyone. > [@brazil84](#): > > Perhaps, but this is the last ditch argument of the “anti-racists” – just hurl insults like a monkey throwing sh\*t. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Insults are all the “anti racists” have in their arsenal. Logic and cold hard facts clearly discredit their hysterical rants. They do everything they can do to suppress a civil, rational discussion of this matter because they know they cannot win. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Just because insults are allowed her does not mean that they prove anything but the emptiness of the arguments of those who post them. Anyone else up want the bat while these guys are sucking shit out of their asses? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1682 "2012-06-16T17:05:54Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > I’m not the one who originally asserted intelligence was as easy or informative as measuring height, or body shape, or whatever else you’re going to drag into this argument. Sure, you asserted that intelligence was different from other genetically informed traits. First, you implied it was because intelligence was informed by a lot of different genes. Now you have abandoned that argument. Next, you implied it was because intelligence is difficult to measure with just one number. However, the same is true of body shape, which you apparently now concede. Thus, your latest argument fails. > [@](#): > > Anyone who thinks brazil84 has demonstrated exceptional debating skills, and has primarily one his argument, say “Aye.” Lol. > [@](#): > > In logic, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for “appeal to the people”) is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or most people believe it. In other words, the basic idea of the argument is: “If many believe so, it is so.” ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1683 "2012-06-16T17:06:31Z")
Sorry, \ ***Won** this argument. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1684 "2012-06-16T17:07:53Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Agreed. > > Do you agree that “dress size” is similarly an oversimplification of body shape? …That was the point, but if you want to compare the simplification granted by reducing body shape to “dress size” to the simplification granted by reducing intelligence to “IQ”, then you are out of your mind. And the point of that was less an appeal to the majority and more a shot at addressing that _gigantic_ Dunning-Krüger complex you have. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1685 "2012-06-16T17:08:35Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Sure, you asserted that intelligence was different from other genetically informed traits. You fucking liar. I said it was far more difficult in defining and quantifying. Show me where I said it was different than any other inherited trait. Go ahead and show me. SHOW ME! FUCKING SHOW ME, YOU COWARD! SHOW ME! SHOW ME! SHOW ME! ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1686 "2012-06-16T17:09:48Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > My vitriol isn’t mindless. Asserting it doesn’t make it so. But feel free to elaborate on your latest Liberal Excuse. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1687 "2012-06-16T17:13:14Z")
Show me, brazil, show meee! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1688 "2012-06-16T17:14:12Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Asserting it doesn’t make it so. But feel free to elaborate on your latest Liberal Excuse. News to me that the vast super majority of scientists are liberal, of course the existence of conservative scientists like Bickmore and Richard Alley that tell him how wrong he is never gets through the clam shell of this brazilian nut. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1689 "2012-06-16T17:14:35Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Show me where I said it Sure. > [@brazil84](#): > > Do you believe that intelligence is somehow different from other genetically informed traits? > [@cmyk](#): > > Intelligence, unlike, say brown or blue eyes, is an incredibly complex thing to define and quantify. We barely understand the brain, let alone try to come up with some determining factors in genomics that will attempt to define, predict or somehow explain intelligence. > > In that sense, while there are things our brains have become hardwired for through natural selection and evolution, human intelligence in the most general sense, is an elastic and adaptable manifestation of our cognition. Intelligence is a developmental gradient from infancy through adulthood and there are myriad factors that can stunt it, or allow it to flourish, not just genes alone. > > This notion that intelligence has some ceiling based on some shared set of genes between race (which still hasn’t been sufficiently defined), totally breaks down on the individual level. You can apologize any time you like. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1690 "2012-06-16T17:17:24Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > …That was the point, but if you want to compare the simplification granted by reducing body shape to “dress size” to the simplification granted by reducing intelligence to “IQ”, then you are out of your mind. Why? > [@](#): > > And the point of that was less an appeal to the majority and more a shot at addressing that _gigantic_ Dunning-Krüger complex you have. Given that I agreed with the point you made, does it change your mind about whether I have a mote in my eye? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1691 "2012-06-16T17:21:21Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Huh. So, IQ is an aqdequate way for determining someone’s intelligence. Would it tell you the genius behind Bobby Fischer? Picasso? Beethoven? How about the hate and horror of Hitler, Lenin, Kim Jong Il or his father? Adolf Hitler Nazi leader Germany 141 Bobby Fischer Chess player USA 187 Ludwig van Beethoven Composer Germany 165 [http://aceviper.net/estimated\_iq\_of\_famous\_people.php](http://aceviper.net/estimated_iq_of_famous_people.php) ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1692 "2012-06-16T17:24:16Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > My vitriol isn’t mindless. Your vitriol does not advance your arguments. It is only impressive to those who agree with you. I suspect it embarrasses some of them. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1693 "2012-06-16T17:25:23Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > You can apologize any time you like. Hunh, in that quote I didn’t say anything of the sort that intelligence is an all together different thing than inheriting other traits. That’s so weird. I did say it was harder to define and quantify. I may have even implied it’s not only genetic, but _even more so_ than height and a holistic result of myriad genes, environment, social, cultural, economic, and political factors. That’s so weird as it’s consistent with everything else I said, and not at all like what you claimed I said. Try again. Or apologize. Not because I’m looking for an apology, but because I know doing so would cause you to burn on the inside. ---
**Author:** ![IceQube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@IceQube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IceQube)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1694 "2012-06-16T17:27:04Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Adolf Hitler Nazi leader Germany 141 > > Bobby Fischer Chess player USA 187 > > Ludwig van Beethoven Composer Germany 165 > > [aceviper.net](http://aceviper.net/estimated_iq_of_famous_people.php) Lol. You cite the “estimated” IQs of these people? Estimated in this case means WAG about each of these people’s IQs. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1695 "2012-06-16T17:28:19Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Adolf Hitler Nazi leader Germany 141 > > Bobby Fischer Chess player USA 187 > > Ludwig van Beethoven Composer Germany 165 > > [aceviper.net](http://aceviper.net/estimated_iq_of_famous_people.php) What the hell is an estimated IQ? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1696 "2012-06-16T17:29:09Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Adolf Hitler Nazi leader Germany 141 > > Bobby Fischer Chess player USA 187 > > Ludwig van Beethoven Composer Germany 165 > > [aceviper.net](http://aceviper.net/estimated_iq_of_famous_people.php) Estimated according to who? This is actually even more evidence that your declarations that you are basing all of your conclusions on science is a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1697 "2012-06-16T17:30:01Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > What the hell is an estimated IQ? It is like his estimated races. A bit of fantasy that has not any basis in sciences. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1698 "2012-06-16T17:30:57Z")
> [@IceQube](#): > > Lol. You cite the “estimated” IQs of these people? Estimated in this case means WAG about each of these people’s IQs. Bobby Fisher did take an IQ test. So did Adolf Hitler. I am not sure how Beethoven’s IQ was estimated. Thomas Jefferson’s IQ is estimated as 138. I would have estimated about 175 for Jefferson. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1699 "2012-06-16T17:31:58Z")
> [@IceQube](#): > > Lol. You cite the “estimated” IQs of these people? Estimated in this case means WAG about each of these people’s IQs. And it tells you all you need to know of his grasp of the sciences. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1700 "2012-06-16T17:33:14Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have enjoyed political arguments since I was a child. I could probably fill a small library with the books I have been told to read by those who could not respond to my fact based and logical arguments. > > I wonder if those who flame us have any shame at all. According to their image of things it is the white racists who are the ignorant, abusive bores who have nothing but invective to substantiate their prejudices. Ok how about a video? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/qZzwRwFDXw0/hqdefault.jpg "9. Climate Change - Meet the Scientists") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZzwRwFDXw0) While that video is focused on climate change Peter Hadfield shows how useless are the ones that are not experts. The point stands, to make good policies you need to consult experts on the matter, so far the ones that you have pointed are either misrepresented by you or just plain wrong an unscientific. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=84) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=86)