# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 86
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1701 "2012-06-16T17:35:59Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Bobby Fisher did take an IQ test. So did Adolf Hitler. I am not sure how Beethoven’s IQ was estimated. Thomas Jefferson’s IQ is estimated as 138. I would have estimated about 175 for Jefferson. Actually what I heard was that Adolf Hitler banned IQ testing for being “Jewish”. So can you give us a big fat cite for Hitler’s test? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1702 "2012-06-16T17:37:14Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Bobby Fisher did take an IQ test. So did Adolf Hitler. I am not sure how Beethoven’s IQ was estimated. Thomas Jefferson’s IQ is estimated as 138. I would have estimated about 175 for Jefferson. Because you assert it doesn’t make it true. This is becoming all too easy. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1703 "2012-06-16T17:38:47Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Your vitriol does not advance your arguments. It is only impressive to those who agree with you. I suspect it embarrasses some of them. > [@brazil84](#): > > Asserting it doesn’t make it so. But feel free to elaborate on your latest Liberal Excuse. Would [a vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=655455) legitimize it for you? ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1704 "2012-06-16T17:39:20Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Just because insults are allowed her does not mean that they prove anything but the emptiness of the arguments of those who post them. If this were a spelling bee, you would have been ejected. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1705 "2012-06-16T17:45:25Z")
My point, for those like **b84** and **NDD,** that can’t actually comprehend the implications of a statement is this: A person is more than their intelligence. They are a holistic culmination (i.e. the whole is greater than the sum if their parts) of everything from what’s encoded in their DNA, to everything that surrounds them; from the abstract to the physical. Hitler’s ostensibly high IQ didn’t do humanity any good, when his philosophy was so far off. IQ scores just cannot determine the merits and integrity of a human’s worth to the rest of society. Demonstrably so. If you argue different, you’re a willfully ignorant, biased, moron. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1706 "2012-06-16T17:49:19Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > My point, for those like **b84** and **NDD,** that can’t actually comprehend the implications of a statement is this: > > A person is more than their intelligence. They are a holistic culmination (i.e. the whole is greater than the sum if their parts) of everything from what’s encoded in their DNA, to everything that surrounds them; from the abstract to the physical. > > Hitler’s ostensibly high IQ did humanity no good, when his philosophy was so far off. IQ scores just cannot determine the merits and integrity of a human’s worth to the rest of society. Demonstrably so. > > If you argue different, you’re a willfully ignorant, biased, moron. IQ does not measure moral superiority. It does measure biological superiority. If he was less intelligent Hitler would have been less successful. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1707 "2012-06-16T17:50:46Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > If this were a spelling bee, you would have been ejected. You will find it nearly as difficult to find any of my misspelled words as any of my flame attacks. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1708 "2012-06-16T17:57:04Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Excuses. Excuses. > > One fourth to one half of the German people were killed during the Thirty Years War that happened from 1618 to 1648. > > Germany was starved during the First World War, and forced to pay a heavy indemnity during the 1920s. Germany was devastated during the Second World War. Nevertheless, Germany thrives, even during the Great Recession. Probably almost any country in the world has had violence, invasions, pillaging, bloody revolutions, civil wars, occupations, etc. over the last few hundred years. So there is plenty of fodder for the Liberal Excuse Machine. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1709 "2012-06-16T18:01:48Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Probably almost any country in the world has had violence, invasions, pillaging, bloody revolutions, civil wars, occupations, etc. over the last few hundred years. So there is plenty of fodder for the Liberal Excuse Machine. Excuses are not needed for whites and Orientals. They are certainly not needed for Jews. They are needed for blacks. Somehow the Liberal Excuse Machine needs to keep coming up with arguments that it is our fault that most blacks are stupid, and that many are dangerous. Because this is difficult, they try to make it dangerous to tell the truth about that race. ---
**Author:** ![IceQube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@IceQube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IceQube)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1710 "2012-06-16T18:02:06Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > You will find it nearly as difficult to find any of my misspelled words as any of my flame attacks. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Bobby Fisher Bobby who? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1711 "2012-06-16T18:03:44Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Hunh, in that quote I didn’t say anything of the sort that intelligence is an all together different thing than inheriting other traits. I’m not sure what you mean by “all together different thing.” But anyway, a few posts back I stated the following:: > [@](#): > > you asserted that intelligence was different from other genetically informed traits. Note that I did not use the phrase “all together” – whatever it means to you. Now, you claim that my post is a lie. And yet earlier in this thread I specifically asked you whether “you believe that intelligence is somehow different from other genetically informed traits” You responded by describing various aspects of intelligence. Any reasonable person reading your response would interpret it to mean that you were describing aspects of intelligence which were different (in your view) from other genetically informed traits. I have my own rules of debate. I don’t engage with people who weasel, i.e. people who pretend that they said something different from what they actually said. I also don’t engage with people who strawman, i.e. people who pretend that I said something different from what I actually said. You have done both, so I am putting you on my ignore list. Goodbye, liar. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1712 "2012-06-16T18:05:16Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > IQ does not measure moral superiority. It does measure biological superiority. If he was less intelligent Hitler would have been less successful. Iq does not measure biological superiority, [http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Intelligence-tests.html](http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Intelligence-tests.html) > [@](#): > > Many people are under the false assumption that intelligence tests measure a person’s inborn or biological intelligence. Intelligence tests are based on an individual’s interaction with the environment and never exclusively measure inborn intelligence. Intelligence tests have been associated with categorizing and stereotyping people. Additionally, knowledge of one’s performance on an intelligence test may affect a person’s aspirations and motivation to obtain goals. Intelligence tests can be culturally biased against certain groups. > **[IQ and race - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com](https://www.skepdic.com/iqrace.html)** > [@](#): > > Joseph Graves, an African-American evolutionary biologist at Arizona State University-West in Tempe, notes that most people and researchers who try to establish correlations between various natural abilities and skin color are not geneticists. > > > [@](#): > > > > These people don’t know evolutionary genetics. They talk about interesting issues in race and biology. And since, I think, there are no real races, I wonder what these issues are. It makes me angry that I have to take time from my research (on the genetics of aging) to argue about something that shouldn’t even need to be discussed (Blum). ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1713 "2012-06-16T18:07:22Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Would [a vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=655455) legitimize it for you? Of course not. But the fact that you put so much stock in _argumentum ad populum_ is telling. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1714 "2012-06-16T18:07:31Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > You responded by describing various aspects of intelligence. Any reasonable person reading your response would interpret it to mean that you were describing aspects of intelligence which were different (in your view) from other genetically informed traits. > > I have my own rules of debate. I don’t engage with people who weasel, i.e. people who pretend that they said something different from what they actually said. > > I also don’t engage with people who strawman, i.e. people who pretend that I said something different from what I actually said. > > You have done both, so I am putting you on my ignore list. > > Goodbye, liar. Such a calm debater :rolleyes:, I still have to see on what rules of debating would allow someone to ignore others and then claim that only they are the ones that have the podium and the truth. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1715 "2012-06-16T18:07:32Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Thomas Jefferson’s IQ is estimated as 138. I would have estimated about 175 for Jefferson. This is possibly the funniest thing i have ever read on these boards. You provide a bunch of estimates of famous people’s IQs as some sort of evidence for your argument, and then you provide an estimate of Thomas Jefferson’s IQ but argue, based on your own insights, that it was actually higher. What criteria did you use to establish that your wild-ass guess is better than the other person’s wild-ass guess? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1716 "2012-06-16T18:12:11Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Of course not. But the fact that you put so much stock in _argumentum ad populum_ is telling. Says the one that also made a post in GQ trying to find if a whoosh was supposed to be something of value, in the end the brazil nut also “banned” the one that made that whoosh to him. The gross lack of a sense of humor demonstrates his lack of an important element of a sound intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1717 "2012-06-16T18:26:16Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > You have done both, so I am putting you on my ignore list. > > Goodbye, liar. i.e. I can’t debate with this poster because he exposes my dishonesty and ignorance. And according to your own rules of debate, you should put yourself on your own ignore list. Fucking idiot. ETA: you’re doing me a favor more than yourself. And I know you can read this, because you’re a liar. ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1718 "2012-06-16T18:27:30Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Such a calm debater :rolleyes:, I still have to see on what rules of debating would allow someone to ignore others and then claim that only they are the ones that have the podium and the truth. He’s made his rules clear. They all boil down to “it’s against the rules to disprove what I say!” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1719 "2012-06-16T18:28:30Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > i.e. I can’t debate with this poster because he exposes my dishonesty and ignorance. Welcome to the club **cmyk**! You get a seat aboard the Yellow Submarine that will take us somewhere, while the nowhere men will continue to avoid their reviews. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1720 "2012-06-16T18:31:35Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Bobby Fisher did take an IQ test. So did Adolf Hitler. I am not sure how Beethoven’s IQ was estimated. Thomas Jefferson’s IQ is estimated as 138. I would have estimated about 175 for Jefferson. Brings me back to my question: what are your qualifications to make an estimate? How much schooling do you have, and what do you know about IQ testing? You’ve dodged and ignored this one the whole length of 2 threads… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=85) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=87)