# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 87
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1721 "2012-06-16T18:48:40Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Welcome to the club **cmyk**! You get a seat aboard the Yellow Submarine that will take us somewhere, while the nowhere men will continue to avoid their reviews. It’s about time. **b84,** is surely trying to fix a hole. It really doesn’t matter if he’s wrong or right. It’s where he belongs — painting his room in a “colorful” way. Make sure to patch all those holes, **b84!** You wouldn’t want reality to prove you wrong. Eventually he’ll have everyone here on his ignore list. Except for maybe **NDD.** So pathetic, and yet fascinating. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1722 "2012-06-16T18:52:25Z")
_Because_ so pathetic, fascinating… ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1723 "2012-06-16T18:56:40Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > This is possibly the funniest thing i have ever read on these boards. > > You provide a bunch of estimates of famous people’s IQs as some sort of evidence for your argument, and then you provide an estimate of Thomas Jefferson’s IQ but argue, based on your own insights, that it was actually higher. > > What criteria did you use to establish that your wild-ass guess is better than the other person’s wild-ass guess? Because Jefferson also believed in the inferiority of blacks, who struggled to justify this with his decree of liberty for all. He would’ve scored an even higher estimated IQ had he hadn’t actually been in favor of ultimately abolishing slavery. I estimate **NDD** would estimate an an estimated IQ of 230 if that were the case. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1724 "2012-06-16T18:58:08Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > _Because_ so pathetic, fascinating… Even better. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1725 "2012-06-16T19:00:29Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Brings me back to my question: what are your qualifications to make an estimate? How much schooling do you have, and what do you know about IQ testing? You’ve dodged and ignored this one the whole length of 2 threads… Most of what I know about anything I have taught myself. Anyone can claim impressive credentials on an internet forum. If their posts are less impressive, their claims are questionable. Out of curiosity, what are your qualifications? If they are impressive, please explain why racial differences are so obvious, and so impervious to change. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1726 "2012-06-16T19:01:26Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Excuses are not needed for whites and Orientals. Of course not, you make the ad hoc definitions. The Indians of the Americas are ‘orientals’ by genetics, but you invented out of the air a made up reason to exclude them. So it goes for everything that contradicts your internally incoherent hypothesis. It is like the English story Alice and the Red Queen. White means what you want it to mean at the moment you need it to mean that. Since all your arguments are nothing but the only ad hoc fables, it is in fact all excuses. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1727 "2012-06-16T19:12:24Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Most of what I know about anything I have taught myself. Anyone can claim impressive credentials on an internet forum. If their posts are less impressive, their claims are questionable. Indeed, indeed, indeed. So, any luck on finding evidence that thanks to convergent evolution sharks and dolphins have almost the same genes? And who are the ones claiming that Iq tests do measure biological superiority? And really? Citing an uncredited and non academic site regarding IQ levels, and reporting an IQ test that did not exist for Hitler? Your latest posts \*\*are \*\*the definition of questionable. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1728 "2012-06-16T19:12:39Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Adolf Hitler Nazi leader Germany 141 > > Bobby Fischer Chess player USA 187 > > Ludwig van Beethoven Composer Germany 165 > > [aceviper.net](http://aceviper.net/estimated_iq_of_famous_people.php) “Estimated”… more like totally made up. Just like Lynn. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1729 "2012-06-16T19:15:46Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![IceQube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@IceQube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IceQube)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1730 "2012-06-16T19:15:57Z")
Let’s get “back” on topic here. NDD - are the IQ tests you linked to legitimate? If so, can you conclusively prove them so? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1731 "2012-06-16T19:21:13Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Most of what I know about anything I have taught myself. Anyone can claim impressive credentials on an internet forum. If their posts are less impressive, their claims are questionable. Exactly why your claims are so utterly worthless. Here’s a case in which both the teacher and the student were idiots. Your posts have been impressive indeed, but only for their incredible ignorance and stupidity. > [@](#): > > Out of curiosity, what are your qualifications? As for me, I have a Ph.D. in biology and have taught genetics at the university level. > [@](#): > > If they are impressive, please explain why racial differences are so obvious, and so impervious to change. As has been already fully demonstrated, the “races” as you identify them don’t even exist in a genetic sense. So there’s nothing to explain. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1732 "2012-06-16T19:23:28Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Most of what I know about anything I have taught myself. Anyone can claim impressive credentials on an internet forum. If their posts are less impressive, their claims are questionable. You have taught yourself very poorly, especially if you still actually believe that “blacks” are actually a separate genetic race. Only a willfully ignorant person could look at that phylogenetic tree and conclude that “blacks” are separate, genetically, from the rest of humanity. > [@](#): > > If they are impressive, please explain why racial differences are so obvious, and so impervious to change. [Irish](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Irish_sentiment#19th_century) and [Italian](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Italianism#Anti-Italianism_in_The_United_States) “differences” were “obvious” 120 years ago. Jewish (and slavic, Polish, gypsy, etc) “differences” were “obvious” to much of Europe 80 years ago. It may be obvious to you, but just as it said a lot about those who claimed it about those other groups in the past, it says far more about you than it does about the “races”. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1733 "2012-06-16T19:31:26Z")
Yeah, that’s what I thought. I have taken and passed college-level stats, have a Master’s degree in Psych, have taken and passed 2 semesters of psych testing, and taught it. I guess you’d have to take my word for that. You are apparently neither educated, nor informed. You do have, of course, a right to your opinion. I notice that most of the White Supremicists are, by any objective standards you would care to name, underachievers. This is, of course, anecdotal, and does not prove that they cling to simplistic beliefs about their own innate superiority to other races, say, blacks, as a way of compensating for their own lack of ability or achievement. Sociology could help you understand, possibly, why you cling to these beliefs. TWICE, now, I’ve shown you mine. YOUR TURN. PUT UP, OR SHUT UP ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1734 "2012-06-16T19:31:56Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Most of what I know about anything I have taught myself. Anyone can claim impressive credentials on an internet forum. If their posts are less impressive, their claims are questionable. > > Out of curiosity, what are your qualifications? If they are impressive, please explain why racial differences are so obvious, and so impervious to change. > [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Yeah, that’s what I thought. I have taken and passed college-level stats, have a Master’s degree in Psych, have taken and passed 2 semesters of psych testing, and taught it. > [@Colibri](#): > > As for me, I have a Ph.D. in biology and have taught genetics at the university level. [This thread needs even more trombone.](http://www.sadtrombone.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1735 "2012-06-16T19:39:30Z")
Back to your estimated IQ of Jefferson. If you don’t have the credentials, haven’t done the work and learned the material, you are deluding yourself that your opinion has much merit. I would not presume, for example, to debate Colibri about biology, or Click and Clack about fuel injection. A _good_ autodidact has intellectual curiosity, rather than dogmatism. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1736 "2012-06-16T19:40:06Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > I’d bet HUGE money that you don’t have any idea what this references, or who Spearman was without a quick check of Wikipedia. That’s a bet you’d lose. In fact I was first introduced to Spearman when I took advanced statistics courses as an undergraduate. I’ve read “The Bell Curve” as well as “The Mismeasure of Man” Not that it really matters. You don’t need advanced education or training to see and comment on the reality of race and intelligence. You just need common sense and the ability to think independently of social pressure. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1737 "2012-06-16T19:40:22Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > A _good_ autodidact has intellectual curiosity, rather than dogmatism. +1 billion. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1738 "2012-06-16T19:43:30Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > As has been already fully demonstrated, the “races” as you identify them don’t even exist in a genetic sense. Only if you choose a definition of “doesn’t exist” which applies to races and races alone. i.e. only if you engage in special pleading. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1739 "2012-06-16T19:44:15Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > You don’t need advanced education or training to see and comment on the reality of race and intelligence. You just need common sense and the ability to think independently of social pressure. You’ve demonstrated the lack of these. There exists no evidence, whatsoever, of any inherent difference, genetically, in intelligence or criminality between “races”. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1740 "2012-06-16T19:53:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You’ve demonstrated the lack of these. There exists no evidence, whatsoever, of any inherent difference, genetically, in intelligence or criminality between “races”. And the social pressure of the past was to keep up those differences, brazil and the other just want to return to the old special pleadings, as it turns out, biological evidence demonstrated what it had been obvious since ancient times, we can still produce offspring regarding of where a male and a female human comes from, there are really no races from a biological point of view. And there is even less evidence that genes overwhelmingly prescribe how smart you are or will be. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=86) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=88)