# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Harmonix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Harmonix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harmonix)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/161 "2012-05-31T17:25:16Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If forty years is not enough to erase racial differences it ought to have reduced them somewhat if they are environmental. > > In this chart of SAT scores beginning during the school year 1990-91 you can see what while Orientals have improved significantly in both mathematics and reading ability, blacks have hardly improved at all, and the gap between them and whites has grown. > > [Fast Facts: SAT scores (171)](http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171) was bored… I used excel to do an ANOVA analysis on the year to year improvements within the groups and found no statistically significant difference in the improvement rates. I’m not too great at statistics, so i’m not 100% sure I did it right. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/162 "2012-05-31T17:25:32Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If forty years is not enough to erase racial differences it ought to have reduced them somewhat if they are environmental. > > In this chart of SAT scores beginning during the school year 1990-91 you can see what while Orientals have improved significantly in both mathematics and reading ability, blacks have hardly improved at all, and the gap between them and whites has grown. > > [Fast Facts: SAT scores (171)](http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171) This isn’t Great Debates. We aren’t here to respectfully examine your cockamamie theories & then give well-reasoned responses. (Not that I’ve seen many _respecting_ you in GD.) This is a Pit thread, set up for those of us who wish to call you an idiotic, annoying racist. You’re an idiot; do you think you’re going to convince anybody here? You’re annoying; why must you demean the phrase “New Deal Democrat”? You’re a racist. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/163 "2012-05-31T17:29:40Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > This isn’t Great Debates. We aren’t here to respectfully examine your cockamamie theories & then give well-reasoned responses. (Not that I’ve seen many _respecting_ you in GD.) > > This is a Pit thread, set up for those of us who wish to call you an idiotic, annoying racist. > > You’re an idiot; do you think you’re going to convince anybody here? > > You’re annoying; why must you demean the phrase “New Deal Democrat”? > > You’re a racist. You are a fool who is incapable of rational debate. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/164 "2012-05-31T17:35:38Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > You are a fool who is incapable of rational debate. Sir, you wouldn’t recognize “rational debate” if it stripped naked, painted “rational debate” on its chest in dayglo purple, and danced on top of your piano singing “rational debate is here again!” ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/165 "2012-05-31T17:36:50Z")
> [@Harmonix](#): > > was bored… > > I used excel to do an ANOVA analysis on the year to year improvements within the groups and found no statistically significant difference in the improvement rates. > > I’m not too great at statistics, so i’m not 100% sure I did it right. From the school years of 1990-91 to 2009-10 Oriental averages increased by 67 points; white averages increased by 33 points; black averages increased by 11 points. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/166 "2012-05-31T17:37:51Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Sir, you wouldn’t recognize “rational debate” if it stripped naked, painted “rational debate” on its chest in dayglo purple, and danced on top of your piano singing “rational debate is here again!” With a response like that you illustrate my point. My arguments are fact based and logical. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/167 "2012-05-31T17:38:08Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If that’s all you can do, you have lost the argument. :D:p Once again: a child doodling on the wall with a turd shouldn’t assume the speechless stares are proof of his brilliance. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/168 "2012-05-31T17:42:41Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > With a response like that you illustrate my point. My **arguments** are **fact based** and **logical**. I don’t think those words mean what you think they mean. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/169 "2012-05-31T17:43:03Z")
NDD, before I even try to reason with you, I’d like to ascertain the educational level I am addressing. What degrees do you hold, and from where? Have you ever taken and passed a statistics class? What biology and anthropology classes? Does the statement “correlation does not imply causation” mean anything to you? Why did the people of the New Hebrides come to the belief that lice bring good health? (I think it was the New Hebrides…memory chip may be acting up again) ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/170 "2012-05-31T17:46:28Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I don’t think those words mean what you think they mean. Again I ask: if racial differences are environmental, why has the race gap in SAT scores between blacks and whites ncreased since 1990-91? > **[Fast Facts: SAT scores (171)](https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171)** > > The NCES Fast Facts Tool provides quick answers to many education questions (National Center for Education Statistics). Get answers on Early Childhood Education, Elementary and Secondary Education and Higher Education here. That is what I mean by fact based. I document my assertions. In this case I ask a reasonable question that cannot be logocally answered in ways that deny the importance of genetics in explaining the race gap. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/171 "2012-05-31T17:47:45Z")
I don’t mean to sound racist, but there has to be more to this than the social environment. I refuse to believe that society is the only factor that can explain the idiocy of **New Deal Democrat**. Just look at the test scores. Liberals will deny that they mean anything and point out that the tests are unreadable because he keeps drooling on the ScanTron, but doesn’t that in itself speak to an undeniable difference? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/172 "2012-05-31T17:50:08Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Why did the people of the New Hebrides come to the belief that lice bring good health? > (I think it was the New Hebrides…memory chip may be acting up again) [Yup](http://www.burns.com/wcbspurcorl.htm). ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/173 "2012-05-31T17:52:15Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > NDD, before I even try to reason with you, I’d like to ascertain the educational level I am addressing. What degrees do you hold, and from where? Have you ever taken and passed a statistics class? What biology and anthropology classes? > Does the statement “correlation does not imply causation” mean anything to you? > Why did the people of the New Hebrides come to the belief that lice bring good health? > (I think it was the New Hebrides…memory chip may be acting up again) Anyone on an internet forum can claim any identity. I am obviously well informed. Most of those who dispute me are just as obviously not. Many are abusive and adolescent. “Correlation does not imply causation,” can be and often is used to deny any causal relationship one does not want to believe. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/174 "2012-05-31T17:52:36Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > That is what I mean by fact based. I document my assertions. You make wild, unsupported assertions from an insufficient body of facts, you mean. As well as JAQing off in public. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/175 "2012-05-31T17:55:18Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > You make wild, unsupported assertions from an insufficient body of facts, you mean. As well as JAQing off in public. Just because you dislike my conclusions does not mean that they are illogical. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/176 "2012-05-31T17:55:38Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Anyone on an internet forum can claim any identity. I am **obviously well informed**. Most of those who dispute me are just as obviously not. Many are abusive and adolescent. See my previous comment and find a dictionary. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/177 "2012-05-31T17:57:29Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Anyone on an internet forum can claim any identity. I am obviously well informed. You are poorly informed, as I showed in post #160. You’re basing your claims on false information that you repeat over and over again. ---
**Author:** ![Harmonix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Harmonix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harmonix)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/178 "2012-05-31T18:00:05Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Just because you dislike my conclusions does not mean that they are illogical. Your conclusions are illogical. I neither dislike or like them. ---
**Author:** ![Harmonix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Harmonix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harmonix)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/179 "2012-05-31T18:04:30Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > From the school years of 1990-91 to 2009-10 Oriental averages increased by 67 points; white averages increased by 33 points; black averages increased by 11 points. I was looking at year over year rate of change. in anycase, this data would be meaningful if environmental factors can be shown to have significantly improved. The fact that civil rights laws have passed, does not necessarily mean the environment/culture has improved. ---
**Author:** ![Harmonix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Harmonix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harmonix)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/180 "2012-05-31T18:05:55Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > “Correlation does not imply causation,” can be and often is used to deny any causal relationship one does not want to believe. Right back at ya. to Mods: I apologize for the multiposts. I’m doing this while multitasking. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=10)