# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 91
**Author:** ![IceQube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@IceQube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IceQube)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1801 "2012-06-17T00:17:50Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > The flying fuck does that have to do with anything ? My sentiments exactly. This “debate” (or rather, grilling) ended when b84 came out the closet and aired his prejudices. I paraphrase: from simple observation, blacks are not as intelligent as whites. Considering that he has supposedly taken a college-level course in “Advanced Statistics,” I wonder if he ever learned the terms “representative sample” and “confirmation bias.” And given that b84 has conceded that intelligence is relatively hard to quantify, unlike height, I wonder how the hell he quantifies other peoples’ intelligence through everyday observation. How many people has he stalked for hours upon end, trying to quantify their intelligence, given that IQ tests typically take an hour or so to complete? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1802 "2012-06-17T00:21:50Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Cymk, will you be my new best friend? Perhaps you can help me explain myself to my spouse, or my 13 yr old son… Deal. But only if you can reciprocate. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1803 "2012-06-17T00:23:09Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > What does “bachelor’s level” mean to you? To me, it means “college.” > > And does epidemology qualify as “science” in your view? To me it means not in a relationship. ---
**Author:** ![IceQube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@IceQube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IceQube)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1804 "2012-06-17T00:23:50Z")
Right now, we’re just being sadists by attacking b84. And b84 is just being a masochist by sticking around in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1805 "2012-06-17T00:24:08Z")
"Does studying height differences between the sexes and analyzing the causes count as “higher biological sciences” for you? Does it fall within a reasonable definition of the phrase? Quote: Simple correlations and observations are not sufficient for the understanding of complicated phenomenon. Does human nutrition, food consumption, and digestion count as a “complicated phenomenon” for you? Does the incidence of cardiac arrest count as a “complicated phenomenon” for you? Does human growth (and the influence of genes on that growth) count as a “complicated phenomenon” for you? Pretty much, yes to all of the above, once you go down the various paths. the understanding of digestion, for example, gets pretty damned complex. I’m not sure exactly what you mean by “incidence of cardiac arrest” - actuarially, maybe not, but if you mean understanding the physiology and multiple various possible causes of cardiac arrest, certainly. But where I subjectively would place these various lines is far afield, really. And I wasn’t weaselling, asshole. I just tried to use smaller words and less complex sentences (or perhaps didn’t explain as well as I might have the first time). ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1806 "2012-06-17T00:34:59Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > What does “bachelor’s level” mean to you? To me, it means “college.” Possible cultural false friend here ? To my French self, bachelor level means “end of high school”. It’s the test you have to take when you’re 18 to prove you’ve gotten good at regurgitating high school shit in a variety of topics. I already answered the epidemiology thing. You haven’t answered what the fuck it had to do with anything. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1807 "2012-06-17T01:20:11Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Soon, Cymk, I will give up (right now it’s something to do as I shred documents in my office). He will no doubt claim victory. I missed this, but yeh. It’s how I’m killing time while my machine chugs away in between renders. Poking the racists (one who’s severely impaired in the comprehension department while vehement about it) makes time fly! “Come 'ere kids, let’s ask the racists something, and see how they respond!” “Yippee!” And somehow, **brazil84** transcended **NDD** in blatant ignorance with his sheer obtuse buffoonery and disingenuous debate. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1808 "2012-06-17T01:22:21Z")
> [@IceQube](#): > > Right now, we’re just being sadists by attacking b84. And b84 is just being a masochist by sticking around in this thread. “Whip me! Beat me!” “…no…” ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1809 "2012-06-17T01:55:14Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > So what exactly is the excuse now? Embargo + big debt 150 years ago = massive underachievement now? Why are you pretending that the issue ended 150 years ago? Haiti was treated as a colony, (_where goods or money are extracted by the colonial power for less than their fair market value and efforts to redress those grievances are torpedoed by the banks of the colonial powers_), by France and the U.S., regularly, and Britain and Germany intermittently, right up until 1915. After that, the U.S. “intervened” on multiple occasions to prevent the Haitians from organizing their own country. The Haitians, themselves, clearly have made numerous mistakes, but every effort on their part to correct those mistakes has been thwarted by miltary or economic intervention. For example, the various efforts to remove Papa Doc Duvalier from the presidency/dictatorship to permit a serious effort at reform, were thwarted by the U.S. government. By the time that Baby Doc Duvalier was finally removed from power, the country was in such dire financial straits as to defy the efforts of anyone to correct them. (In contrast, the Dominican Republic, also held in thrall for many decades, was permitted to oust their dictator and was then supplied with a great deal of financial aid to get them on their feet.) If you are unaware of those issues, you really have no business even discussing Haiti. If you are aware of those issues, you are simply engaging in dishonest rhetoric to make a false claim. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1810 "2012-06-17T02:08:29Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Geez, he’s already put his head up his own ass so far he’s turned himself into a Klein bottle. What more do you want from him? A statistician named _brazil_ seemed a Klein Bottle full of swill. Said he: “If you can remove my head from my end, My shit will endlessly loop downhill.” ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1811 "2012-06-17T02:11:25Z")
I just can’t quit you, thread. That was terrific! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1812 "2012-06-17T02:27:22Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > A statistician named _brazil_ > seemed a Klein Bottle full of swill. > Said he: “If you can > remove my head from my end, > My shit will endlessly loop downhill.” Meh. The meter’s wrong for a limerick and the third and fourth lines don’t rhyme. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1813 "2012-06-17T02:33:41Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Meh. The meter’s wrong for a limerick and the third and fourth lines don’t rhyme. Just because you assert it, doesn’t make it true! Or something. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1814 "2012-06-17T05:05:43Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Perhaps you didn’t. I wasn’t referring to arguments _ad populum_ made by you. Ok, stupid phrasing on your part. I’ll buy that. > [@](#): > > Lol, more projection. Like I said, the “I’m rubber, you’re glue” response is puerile. But no surprise there. > [@](#): > > Google defines bluster as follows: You’re relying on Google for your definitions, now? Bluster implies a threat. You’re a moron. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1815 "2012-06-17T05:27:56Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > IQ does not measure moral superiority. It does measure biological superiority. If he was less intelligent Hitler would have been less successful. So then, IQ scores and crime rates are not related. Since crime is a moral/ethical issue. Am I reading you correctly here? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1816 "2012-06-17T06:04:18Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > IQ does not measure moral superiority. It does measure biological superiority. Not that, either. There is no such thing. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1817 "2012-06-17T06:05:47Z")
> [@New Deal Democrat](#): > > Also, he was predominately Caucasian. So, if three sets of white grandparents are all it takes to produce a luminary in the field of literature, then surely two sets would be sufficient to produce an average individual? If so, isn’t it imperative that whites set about on a philanthropic miscegenation quest? > [@brazil84](#): > > Ok, so your view is that a foreign trade embargo is sufficient to cause a group of people to underperform for 150 years after that embargo ends? > [@brazil84](#): > > Lol at excuse number 341 for black underperformance. Good thing the blacks in Haiti don’t have whitey keeping them down. > [@brazil84](#): > > Or is there more to Leftist Excuse number 56,124 for black underachievement? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1818 "2012-06-17T09:42:32Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > You keep mentioning “special pleading” as if it somehow wins your argument for you just by mentioning it, It’s not the fact that I mention it per se, it’s the fact that you are engaging in it. > [@](#): > > when you are in fact using it wrong. No, I’m using it correctly. > [@](#): > > Special Pleading is a fallacy in which a person applies standards, principles, rules, etc. to others while taking herself (or those she has a special interest in) to be exempt, without providing adequate justification for the exemption. You (meaning the most of the people on your side of the debate), make claims along the lines of “race doesn’t exist.” But when your criteria for “doesn’t exist” are applied to other groups (which you seem to accept), suddenly everything changes. Or conversely, your criteria for accepting other groups would require you to accept race – if applied consistently. In other words, you have a double-standard. For example, you assert that “ethnic Germans exist as a self-defined group” But by the same standard, it follows that blacks exist, since one could easily define “blacks” by simply asking people if they are black and including everyone who says “yes.” > [@](#): > > Insisting on talking about “race” as defined by genetics is not special pleading when the discussion is about genetic difference between races; it is entirely the point. It’s basic science. It’s special pleading since you refuse to apply the same standards to groups like “Han Chinese.” Indeed, when I pressed you, you refused to set forth precise criteria for whether a group “exists as a genetic grouping.” Most likely because subconsciously you are perfectly aware of your double-standard. You also evaded my simple question as to your criteria for “coherent and distinct.” ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1819 "2012-06-17T09:54:01Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > The flying fuck does that have to do with anything ? It will help me to demonstrate that **Truman Burbank’s** ’s claim was false. Since you deny that “actuarial science” qualifies as science, I need to find something else you will accept as “science.” Duh. > [@](#): > > But yes, epidemiology is a science. Ok, and it’s taught at bachelor’s level or beyond, agreed? Therefore, according to one of **Truman Burbank** ’s definitions, epidemology is an area where “simple observation won’t cut it.” But one can reasonably conclude – just based on simple observation – that among people living in the United States, 50 year old men are more likely to get heart attacks than 20 year old girls. Showing that **Truman Burbank** ’s assertion was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1820 "2012-06-17T09:59:04Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Possible cultural false friend here ? To my French self, bachelor level means “end of high school”. It’s the test you have to take when you’re 18 to prove you’ve gotten good at regurgitating high school shit in a variety of topics. Ok, so as far as I can tell, by your interpretation of **Truman Burbank** ’s definition, anything which is not taught towards the end of high school does not count as “higher.” e.g., it would appear that anything which is taught only in college and beyond; or in PhD programs and beyond; etc., does not count as “higher.” Your interpretation is pretty silly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=90) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=92)