# SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489 "2012-05-29T22:59:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 97
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1921 "2012-06-18T08:41:37Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The insults come because we’re dealing with individuals who are devoid of intellectual or moral integrity. Those who flame brazil84 and me demonstrate their lack of morality and civility. Their inability to counter our arguments demonstrates either intellectual deficiencies, or lack of truth. Even a genius cannot argue an obvious falsehood. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1922 "2012-06-18T08:44:27Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Similarly, if somebody wants to assert that black underachievement in Haiti is due to some cause besides genetics, they should set forth with reasonable precision what their proposed alternate cause is. And then they should be willing to look at non-Black countries which have experienced similar hardships. And they should be willing to do this in a civil manner. > > Yet nobody on the other side of the discussion is willing or able to do this either. > > Instead, when their claims are scrutinized, they either disappear or start hurling insults. > [@Colibri](#): > > The first part of this statement is a lie. How is brazil84 lying? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1923 "2012-06-18T08:56:29Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > The liberal dogma and cliche that “race is only a social construct” is more over definition than scientific fact. As more is learned about the human genome it is becoming obvious that race is a useful biological concept. How is “Negro” a race if some “Negro” populations are genetically closer to “white” and “Asian” populations than to other “Negro” populations? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1924 "2012-06-18T08:59:00Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > In the United States Negroes have a rate of violent crime that is _eight times_ the white rate. A difference of that significance cannot possibly be attributed to environment. It is clearly a biological characteristic, caused by the proximity of the Negro race to the stone age. You’re just making things up- you have no genetic evidence. And it doesn’t even make sense. Why is intelligence/agreeableness more of an adaptive advantage in “civilization” over a hunter-gatherer societies? Smart/cooperative hunter-gatherers should be much more successful and have more offspring than dumb ones. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1925 "2012-06-18T08:59:28Z")
The reason there are so many taboos against discussing black inadequacies is because those inadequacies are obvious to a country that has made the decision to treat blacks like equals. This is why those who tell the truth arouse so much anger. A person blaming the Great Depression on Jewish financial swindling would not arouse anger, only condescending smiles. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1926 "2012-06-18T09:07:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You’re just making things up- you have no genetic evidence. And it doesn’t even make sense. Why is intelligence/agreeableness more of an adaptive advantage in “civilization” over a hunter-gatherer societies? Smart/cooperative hunter-gatherers should be much more successful and have more offspring than dumb ones. I am not making this up: In 2005, offending rates [for murder] for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites. [http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm) I think that is appalling, don’t you? Genetic evidence consists of the fact that blacks are characterized by stupidity and crime _everywhere they live_. They always have been. Intelligence benefits hunters, or humans would not have evolved as they have. Most of distinctly human evolution happened during the paleolithic era. Nevertheless, paleolithic hunters are not required to learn mathematics, or languages that have more than perhaps a thousand words. They are not required to learn how to write. These skills require an additional degree of intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1927 "2012-06-18T09:09:46Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How is “Negro” a race if some “Negro” populations are genetically closer to “white” and “Asian” populations than to other “Negro” populations? I use the word “Negro” rather than “black” in order to distinguish between the Bantu and their American descendants, and the Bushmen of southern Africa. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1928 "2012-06-18T09:13:17Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > For example, Negroes are more prone to get high blood pressure. This is because in the hot climate of Africa they perspire more, and their bodies have natural ways to conserve salt. This had survival value in the past. In a cooler climate, where it is easy to add salt to food, it becomes a problem. That’s a lovely Just So story. Pity it’s [simplistic](http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/110/af_blood/af_blood.html) [bullshit](http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/news/20050105/genes-dont-explain-hypertension-in-blacks): [Despite the oceans of ink spilled on this question, no credible evidence exists that pathways to hypertension are different between blacks and other ethnic groups](http://hyper.ahajournals.org/cgi/reprint/32/5/813.pdf) > [@](#): > > A difference of that significance cannot possibly be attributed to environment. Of course it can. > [@](#): > > It is clearly a biological characteristic, caused by the proximity of the Negro race to the stone age. Just stop fucking right there. “Negroes” were in the Iron Age same time as everyone else, and independently. So don’t give us that Stone Age crap, Mr My-Neanderthal-Ancestors-Never-Mastered-Microliths-Never-Mind-Metals . ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1929 "2012-06-18T09:13:27Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I can’t wait to see how NDD either hand-waves or ignores away my evidence against his positions this time! Oh boy, oh boy! And he doesn’t disappoint! NDD, when you say “black”, what “black” do you mean? All hundred or so different colored races, including the ones that are very close to european genealogy? Furthermore, I see absolutely no reason why social environment cannot lead to an 8x higher crime rate. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/teyvcs2S4mI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Science of Human Races, Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI) You need to watch this video. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1930 "2012-06-18T09:21:56Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I use the word “Negro” rather than “black” in order to distinguish between the Bantu and their American descendants, and the Bushmen of southern Africa. What about the many sub-Saharan African populations that are neither Bantu nor “Bushmen”? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1931 "2012-06-18T09:22:58Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Intelligence benefits hunters, or humans would not have evolved as they have. Most of distinctly human evolution happened during the paleolithic era. Nevertheless, paleolithic hunters are not required to learn mathematics, or languages that have more than perhaps a thousand words. They are not required to learn how to write. These skills require an additional degree of intelligence. And yet most Africans speak far more languages than most Americans. There’s no evidence for this “civilization versus hunter-gatherer” hypothesis of yours. But there’s no evidence for the genetic propensity for the “races”, either. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1932 "2012-06-18T09:30:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What about the many sub-Saharan African populations that are neither Bantu nor “Bushmen”? There’s no need for the quotes, Bushmen is perfectly acceptable to them - in fact, the PC-term “San” nowadays embraced by everyone from governments to scientists [is actually itself a Nama pejorative](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmen#Naming). ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1933 "2012-06-18T10:19:46Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I use the word “Negro” rather than “black” in order to distinguish between the Bantu and their American descendants, and the Bushmen of southern Africa. You are very good at illustrating your level of ignorance and great stupidity. By all accounts a large percentage and even most of the American black populations were drawn from the West Africa region. The Bantu speakers do not live in the West Africa region, except a small part in the very extreme south end of Cameroun. The populations that can be called Bantu and that descended from the expansion of the Bantus who contributed to the Americas would come only from the Kongos. They are only a part of the populations to go to the Americas. It is sad that after so many people signaling this to you, you remain to ignorant and to stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1934 "2012-06-18T10:22:41Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > In the United States Negroes have a rate of violent crime that is _eight times_ the white rate. A difference of that significance cannot possibly be attributed to environment. It is clearly a biological characteristic, caused by the proximity of the Negro race to the stone age. Again, it is American politics that concerns you in reality. We can forget about the cretinism of this stone age claim, it not only has no historical sense to it, it has no sociological sense as well. What is actually very amusing is the continued ignoring of the crime datas that completely contradict these primitive ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1935 "2012-06-18T12:05:54Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Those who flame brazil84 and me demonstrate their lack of morality and civility. Their inability to counter our arguments demonstrates either intellectual deficiencies, or lack of truth. Even a genius cannot argue an obvious falsehood. That’s not exactly true. People who flame you and b84 do so because of your obvious racism and ignorance. Your refusal to accept facts that directly contradict your absurd claims make this less a debate and more PALATR (Point and look at the retard). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1936 "2012-06-18T12:18:54Z")
When people speak of “genetic relationships” between groups, whether’s it’s population groups of humans or different animal species, what we’re really talking about is the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA). How closely two groups or species are related is how recently their MRCA existed. This goes for individuals too- siblings have a MRCA one generation back, first cousins have a MRCA two generations back, etc. This is why it’s absurd to group sub-Saharan Africans (and the sub-Saharan African diaspora) as a “race”; many populations of sub-Saharan Africans have a MRCA with Europeans and Asians that is more recent then their MRCA with other sub-Saharan African populations. [This chart](http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v464/n7290/fig_tab/nature08976_F3.html), using mitochondrial DNA, shows the relative MRCA between multiple groups. For example (from the chart), the Bamileke of Cameroon (#19) have a more recent MRCA with Siberians (#30) then with the Kikuyu of Kenya (#11). So any race that includes the Bamileke and the Kikuyu must include Siberians, unless the racial “classification” is not based on genetic relationships or MRCA. Putting the Kikuyu and Bamileke in the same “racial classification”, while putting Siberians in another, is like putting tigers and lizards in the same taxonomic classification (perhaps “quadrupeds”) while putting humans in another (“bipeds”), and snakes in yet another (perhaps “serpents”). It may make sense in a certain way, but that way has nothing to do with genetics or Most Recent Common Ancestor. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1937 "2012-06-18T12:20:37Z")
At least we’ve gotten way past any notion of **NDD** ’s racism being “science-based”. His constant imagery of stone aged primitives in the jungle betray the real view he has of Black Africans. I’m sure he pictures himself like [this](http://comicattack.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/tintin-in-africa.jpg) in his dreams. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1938 "2012-06-18T12:21:38Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > You are very good at illustrating your level of ignorance and great stupidity. > > By all accounts a large percentage and even most of the American black populations were drawn from the West Africa region. The Bantu speakers do not live in the West Africa region, except a small part in the very extreme south end of Cameroun. > > The populations that can be called Bantu and that descended from the expansion of the Bantus who contributed to the Americas would come only from the Kongos. They are only a part of the populations to go to the Americas. > > It is sad that after so many people signaling this to you, you remain to ignorant and to stupid. You are partially right, but yours is a minor point. The people brought to the New World were Negroes, rather than the racially distinct Pygmies and Bushmen. A large number of these Negroes were Bantu, as you can see from this list of Negroes brought to Cuba: * * * Group Number of Africans landed in Cuba during slave trade Bantu 400,000 Yoruba 275,000 Ibo/Ibibio/Ijaw 240,000 Ewe/Fon 200,000 Others 185,000 [http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/spirituality-connect-your-center/9372-ethnic-influences-cuba-resulting-history-african-slave-trade-cuba.html](http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/spirituality-connect-your-center/9372-ethnic-influences-cuba-resulting-history-african-slave-trade-cuba.html) ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1939 "2012-06-18T12:25:14Z")
No, I am entirely right: encore, [http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v464/n7290/fig\_tab/nature08976\_F3.html](http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v464/n7290/fig_tab/nature08976_F3.html) The populations of the West Africa region are not synonymous with Bantu as a population. Your invention of racial distinction has no sense at all. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489/1940 "2012-06-18T12:27:01Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > You are partially right, but yours is a minor point. The people brought to the New World were Negroes, rather than the racially distinct Pygmies and Bushmen. > > A large number of these Negroes were Bantu, as you can see from this list of Negroes brought to Cuba: > > * * * > > Group Number of Africans landed in Cuba during slave trade > Bantu 400,000 > Yoruba 275,000 > Ibo/Ibibio/Ijaw 240,000 > Ewe/Fon 200,000 > Others 185,000 > [http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/spirituality-connect-your-center/9372-ethnic-influences-cuba-resulting-history-african-slave-trade-cuba.html](http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/spirituality-connect-your-center/9372-ethnic-influences-cuba-resulting-history-african-slave-trade-cuba.html) You just proved my point. The Yoruba are closer, genetically, to Europeans and Asians then they are to the Ibo. Why should Yoruba and Ibo be in the same race? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=96) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-bigoted-asshole-omnibus-thread/623489.md?page=98)