# SDMB Diplomacy 2004. Shall we play a game? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 15, 2004, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291 "2004-10-15T00:13:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/81 "2004-11-11T16:39:56Z")
Are you going to post builds today or are you giving us Veteran’s Day off? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/82 "2004-11-12T01:22:59Z")
Taking a dip break for Veteran’s Day? It is to laugh! WINTER 1901 RESULTS… Map is at: [http://www.wooleysark.com/dip](http://www.wooleysark.com/dip) Schedule: Spring 1902 Orders due: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7AM Eastern US Time Fall 1902 Orders due: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7AM Eastern US Time Winter 1902 Orders due: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7AM Eastern US Time And the orders: Austria: Build F Trieste Build A Vienna England: Build F Edinburgh France: Build A Marseilles Germany: Build A Kiel Italy: Build F Naples Russia: None Turkey: Build A Smyrna ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2004, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/83 "2004-11-14T11:09:38Z")
There’s [a long article about Diplomacy](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38110-2004Nov9.html) in today’s Washington Post Magazine. Definitely worth a read. Most of the article is about a FTF tournament, but it also mentions the online game. The origins of the game also get some significant play, with some quotes from Allan Calhamer, the guy who invented Dip back in the 1950s. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/84 "2004-11-18T00:42:55Z")
SPRING 1901 RESULTS!!! It’s getting cruel…like the shoes. Map is at: [http://www.wooleysark.com/dip](http://www.wooleysark.com/dip) Retreats/Disbands: Turkish A Bulgaria has no retreats, disbanded. German A Ruhr can retreat to Holland or OTB. Those are due in 24 hours or they go OTB by default. Schedule: Fall 1902 Orders due: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7AM Eastern US Time Winter 1902 Orders due: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7AM Eastern US Time Spring, 1903 Orders due: Wednesday, December 8, 2004 7AM Eastern US Time And the orders: Austria: A Budapest - Serbia F Greece Supports A Rumania - Bulgaria A Rumania - Bulgaria F Trieste - Albania A Vienna - Galicia England: F Denmark Hold F Edinburgh - Norwegian Sea A London Hold F North Sea - English Channel France: A Belgium - Ruhr A Burgundy Supports A Belgium - Ruhr A Marseilles - Spain F Picardy - Belgium Germany: A Kiel - Berlin (_Bounce_) A Munich Supports A Kiel - Berlin A Ruhr - Kiel (_Dislodged_) F Sweden - Norway Italy: F Naples - Tyrrhenian Sea A Rome - Venice F Tunis - Western Mediterranean A Tyrolia - Piedmont Russia: F Baltic Sea Supports A Prussia - Berlin A Prussia - Berlin (_Bounce_) F Sevastopol Supports A Ukraine - Rumania A Ukraine - Rumania Turkey: A Ankara - Constantinople (_Fails_) A Bulgaria - Greece (_Disbanded_) F Constantinople - Bulgaria(sc) (_Fails_) A Smyrna Hold ---
**Author:** ![Lockz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Lockz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lockz)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/85 "2004-11-18T02:29:16Z")
I’ll just let everyone know here (email already sent to Mr. Chance) A Ruh-Hol ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/86 "2004-11-18T02:40:10Z")
> [@Lockz](#): > > I’ll just let everyone know here (email already sent to Mr. Chance) > > A Ruh-Hol I’m fairly sure we all knew that before you even ordered it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lockz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Lockz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lockz)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/87 "2004-11-18T03:22:58Z")
Well, I could’ve sent the brave soldiers of Ruhr into the horrible, despicable slave mines that France is known to operate … but I don’t think they would’ve liked that. And by they I mean my soliders, I’m sure France is missing the income more slaves would’ve brought … oh well. ---
**Author:** ![grimpixie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@grimpixie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grimpixie)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/88 "2004-11-18T10:08:33Z")
Nate - On the [Front page](http://www.wooleysark.com/dip/SDMB/) the due dates are given for Fall 02 is “Monday, November 22, 2004” and Winter 02 is “Wednesday, November 23, 2004” whereas on the [latest page](http://www.wooleysark.com/dip/SDMB/S02.html), you state: “Fall 1902 Orders due: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7AM Eastern US Time Winter 1902 Orders due: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7AM Eastern US Time”. Could you clarify these dates? Also, why such a long delay until Spring 03 - only due 8th December? Many thanks Grim ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/89 "2004-11-18T12:29:42Z")
I don’t know if it’s reflected in the schedule, but our Thanksgiving holiday is next week. Many people travel and are away for the whole week. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/90 "2004-11-18T14:26:58Z")
Yep, I just had the wrong week on the front page. It’s fixed now. Next Tuesday is Fall and the following week will be winter due to the holiday and it’s affiliated travel. This sure is an odd-looking game. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/91 "2004-11-18T14:29:12Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > I’m fairly sure we all knew that before you even ordered it. 🙂 Honestly, I hadn’t. I hadn’t even considered the implications of retreating to an open SC. Some GM **I** am. ---
**Author:** ![Lockz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Lockz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lockz)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/92 "2004-11-18T14:55:54Z")
Thanksgiving in November? Who’d of thought about that? Crazy Yanks … 😛 I’d like to request some sort of Christmas break - I’m flying to the other side of the country and I’m not sure how often I’ll be able to get net access. ---
**Author:** ![Lockz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Lockz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lockz)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/93 "2004-11-18T15:00:42Z")
Also, is it possible to put the Summer advances onto the website? ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/94 "2004-11-18T15:20:41Z")
> [@Lockz](#): > > Thanksgiving in November? Who’d of thought about that? Crazy Yanks … 😛 > > I’d like to request some sort of Christmas break - I’m flying to the other side of the country and I’m not sure how often I’ll be able to get net access. You think that’s crazy. We’re right around 80 F all this week, and no real reason to believe it won’t continue into next week\*. So we’ll very likely take the kiddies down to the beach for Thanksgiving. A little surf and sand, then turkey and the trimmings. It’s the proper way to do it. And don’t worry about your Christmas holiday, we’ll look after those SCs for you while you’re away. You can trust us. \*Silly English weather. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/95 "2004-11-18T15:34:16Z")
Retreats will be posted when I get home tonight. Gimme a break. Yes, a Christmas break will be declared. Everyone send me your schedules. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/96 "2004-11-18T17:07:48Z")
OK, lets make this a cute little bulleted list. [ul] [li]First of all, could we tweak the schedule a little bit to make the upcoming year complete before Turkey day? Assuming no one is falling off the map prior to Wednesday it seems would should be able to nudge the game forward a little to get Winter builds (disbands for the English and Italians of course) out before the long weekend.[/li][li]I’m not doing anything too thrilling for the long weekend so no need for special scheduling on my account.[/li][li]I find the big warning of the Englishman’s plans to “fly to the otherside of the country” for the big holiday weekend somewhat amusing. I suppose I’d better brace you all for the incertainties of my big day trip to West Lafatyette. Crazy Yanks indeed…;).[/li][li]This is a crazy little board we’ve got set up. Not quite as wierd as the Jackson Pollack that was created in the last game we played (I forget the name and Cat23 number), but still worthy of outside commentary. My kingdom for GoAlien’s return.[/li][li]Hey Russia, wahhuh?!?[/li][li]Hey Italy, worst kept secret ever![/li][li]Hey England, hope you like the taste of your own bile.[/li][/ul] Thats all for now, I have lots more to blather about, but I’m expected to work at least a little here today. ---
**Author:** ![grimpixie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@grimpixie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grimpixie)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/97 "2004-11-18T17:33:15Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > First of all, could we tweak the schedule a little bit to make the upcoming year complete before Turkey day? Assuming no one is falling off the map prior to Wednesday it seems would should be able to nudge the game forward a little to get Winter builds (disbands for the English and Italians of course) out before the long weekend. I’d agree with this, over-long gaps between moves make for inefficient negotiations in my view… I’d also welcome a Christmas break and will email you some dates. > [@Omniscient](#): > > Hey Italy, worst kept secret ever! Secrets??!? Moi?!?? 😉 Grim ---
**Author:** ![Lockz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Lockz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lockz)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/98 "2004-11-18T17:42:43Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > [ul] > [li]I find the big warning of the Englishman’s plans to “fly to the otherside of the country” for the big holiday weekend somewhat amusing. I suppose I’d better brace you all for the incertainties of my big day trip to West Lafatyette. Crazy Yanks indeed…;).[/li][li]Hey England, hope you like the taste of your own bile.[/li][/ul] Actually, it’s me that’s flying to the other side for a while next long weekend I get - which just so happens to be for Boxing Day. I didn’t see Shibb talking about flying. Are you getting us confused? As to your second point … are you still confusing us? I just want to know if I have to sample my bile … :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/99 "2004-11-18T17:45:31Z")
Ah crap! Englishman, Canadian…close enough. Remember, as always, I’m an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2004, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291/100 "2004-11-18T17:48:58Z")
For clarity, **Lockz** , I had it in my head that you from England IRL. So when I read the the “flying across the country” line, it seems kinda funny…considering the country ain’t all that big and all. The fact that you’re Canadian just makes me look retarded. As for the Englishman who will be tasting his own bile…well that’d be **Shibb**. I probably owe Germany a reach around right about now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-2004-shall-we-play-a-game/269291.md?page=6)