# SDMB Diplomacy - Here we go again! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 12, 2002, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833 "2002-03-12T13:15:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/21 "2002-03-13T17:37:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dewey Cheatem Undhow \* > \*\*No kidding. **AbeBabe** , I’m lookin’ at you… \*\* I was really just trying to keep Moscow until RTFirefly could get there to support me. When he did, and then suggested that _I_ take Warsaw rather than him, why not? What I was really hoping for was that Frangerland would achieve the breakthrough and Germany’s units would be farther away when I made my move. Why don’t you join this game? I could show you that I’m really not such a bad guy. Besides, the more lawyers the better, I always say. ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/22 "2002-03-13T17:47:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by scotth \* > \*\*If Sua is playing, it must be good. 😃 \*\* Must you always state the obvious? 😃 Question, **Senor Chance** : when do you foresee the game starting? I’m out of town and away from internet and email starting tomorrow evening, likely through Monday A.M. Sua ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/23 "2002-03-13T18:31:08Z")
Given that my email is currently down I’d say you should feel safe with the game starting next week. Stupid mail server. FTR, just keep me informed on schedules. I’ll always schedule around planned absences. It’s just abandoning the game that ticks me off. And we need two more! Two more! Who’s gonna show me the love, here? ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/24 "2002-03-13T19:38:40Z")
Thanks for the heads-up about my email, **Jonathan Chance**. It must have reverted back to my old address during the exile. I’ll change it now, and I’ll drop you a line. As I read more, I’m understanding more about how this is gonna work. I’m looking forward to it. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/25 "2002-03-13T20:15:08Z")
Two more! Just two more! Blicking Duck? Anyone? Two more! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/26 "2002-03-13T20:57:30Z")
I would be interested in playing, if Abe Babe doesn’t mind. (I participated in his backstab in the Aberration game. Sorry about that, chief.) ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/27 "2002-03-13T21:20:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Abe Babe \* > \*\*Besides, the more lawyers the better, I always say. \*\* This should top the all-time list of “things you never hear.” 😃 Kind of busy at work at this juncture, though, and strongly suspect I’d either (a) hold up the game with constant requests for extensions, or (b) have to drop out in short order. So I passed on this game. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/28 "2002-03-13T21:27:28Z")
Just FTR, I will be in Naples, Florida during the first week of April with the 'rents. They have internet access, but I am not sure if I will be able to pay too much attention. You know how it is. . . “Play with me, Daddy.” “Talk to me, Honey.” Dumb family. I may or may not need a delay then. Just warning you. Of course, if it’s anything like Weirddave’s, I’ll probably be out of the game by then. (I do hope everyone understands how tongue-in-cheek the above was) ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/29 "2002-03-13T21:33:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Steelerphan \* > \*\*I would be interested in playing, if Abe Babe doesn’t mind. > > (I participated in his backstab in the Aberration game. Sorry about that, chief.) \*\* No hard feelings at all. I was working on backstabbing your ally anyway. He made her a better offer. (Having me wiped out so that she had no help fending off Sicily) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2002, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/30 "2002-03-13T22:22:41Z")
Anyone who holds a backstab against someone from one game to the next isn’t a true Dipper. (Hell, ofttimes it makes a great deal of sense to let bygones be bygones, _within the same game_.) OTOH, a string of NMRs…:mad: ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2002, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/31 "2002-03-14T00:25:16Z")
'We shall astonish the world with our ingratitude." - Someone or other There’s no room for sentiment in the game. Get used to that now. Steelerphan, you’re in. Choose Austria or Germany. If we don’t have a taker for the last slot by the morning I’ll ask one of my pals in. And I think everyone should stop bad mouthing Austria. It’s one of the better countries to play. You’ve got OPTIONS as Austria. Something you don’t have with a corner country. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2002, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/32 "2002-03-14T03:27:33Z")
Of course, sometimes the ‘option’ you have as Austria is whether to organize your final defense so that it’s Russia, or Turkey, that gets Budapest. I’m not bad-mouthing Austria _per se_; it was fourth on my preference list. But it’s a lousy country for a newbie, because you’ve got to have at least _some_ sense of what might be coming at you in order to survive the initial onslaught. If you can survive the first three years, and end 1903 with 4-5 bases that you’re not immediately about to lose any of, _then_ options start opening up. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2002, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/33 "2002-03-14T03:35:52Z")
Austria _is_ fun to play, but you’re going to have to work hard. If you have two people around you rattling sabres, you won’t last past the first verse of “Edelweiss” It made my second tier of choices for this game. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2002, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/34 "2002-03-14T04:01:50Z")
Ok, I’ll take Austria. Is this Map 936 or another setup? Not meant as a hijack, but are there any other games that the rest of you play online, like Axis & Allies or Supremacy? I’m into playing in a few other games. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2002, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/35 "2002-03-14T04:26:57Z")
Is it too early to begin negotiations? Is there such a thing as ‘too early to begin negotiations’? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2002, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/36 "2002-03-14T11:04:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by White Lightning \* > Is it too early to begin negotiations? I think it would be less than fair to begin diplomacy while we’re still missing a player. It would put our eventual Germany at somewhat of a disadvantage to join up in a game where the other six players had already negotiated alliances and stuff. While nothing’s irrevocable before move orders are due, successful negotiations create a certain amount of momentum that’s hard to undo. I’m abstaining from email with other players concerning this game until we have a German player, and I would encourage others to do the same, to keep the playing field level. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2002, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/37 "2002-03-14T13:43:19Z")
Good enough. One player to go. If no one steps up to the plate shortly you’ll be playing with a non-Doper. And if I go to Cat23 there’s a real chance it’ll be a GOOD one. Heh heh heh ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2002, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/38 "2002-03-14T13:57:27Z")
Whew! Completely forgot why I came here in the first place! Fall 1901 in Dip 936 has been adjudicated. [http://www.wooleysark.com/dip](http://www.wooleysark.com/dip) Someone should be sweating bullets now. Anyone want to tell me who? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2002, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/39 "2002-03-14T14:07:41Z")
FWIW, I’ve posted a [thread](http://fff.fathom.org/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000538.html) in Fathom’s “Jokes and Games” forum to try to round up our final player. I posted that just now, so it may take a few hours, at least, for people to see it. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2002, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833/40 "2002-03-14T14:16:58Z")
Tough break for the Davemeister. Here’s where we see just how committed an ally Austria is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-here-we-go-again/97833.md?page=3)