# SDMB Diplomacy World Championship

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [November 11, 2005, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571 "2005-11-11T14:24:22Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\
**Post date:** [January 11, 2006, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/201 "2006-01-11T23:14:13Z")

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[taps foot…]

Alright, who’s the slowpoke in Game Two? You’re delaying the fun stabbity goodness!

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**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/202 "2006-01-12T13:02:33Z")

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Yeah, what’s up with you Game 2 folks? It’s more fun to point and laugh at the people in the other game, and you’re denying us our entertainment! Well, except for Germany…

ha HA!  
[/Nelson]

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**Author:** ![lno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a8b319/32.png) [@lno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lno)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/203 "2006-01-12T19:17:23Z")

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> [@Jonathan Chance](#):
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> NOTE: DON’T be late with the builds. I’m on traveling starting Thursday morning. If you’re late you’ll get skipped.
> 
> Schedule:  
> Winter 1903 Orders due: Thursday, January 12, 2006 9AM Eastern US Time  
> Spring 1904 Orders due: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9AM Eastern US Time  
> Fall 1904 Orders due: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9AM Eastern US Time

Did you forget us before you went overseas?

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**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\
**Post date:** [January 14, 2006, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/204 "2006-01-14T20:55:48Z")

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> [@lno](#):
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> Did you forget us before you went overseas?

Apparently. I hope we get extra time.

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2006, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/205 "2006-01-16T01:56:42Z")

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Sorry for the delay. My trip was harsher than anticipated. NOTE: I’m not changing the deadline for Spring unless someone wants it to happen.

Thread is at: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=344290&page=5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=344290&page=5)

Map is at: [http://www.wooleysark.com/dip](http://www.wooleysark.com/dip)

Schedule:  
Spring 1904 Orders due: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9AM Eastern US Time  
Fall 1904 Orders due: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9AM Eastern US Time  
Winter 1904 Orders due: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9AM Eastern US Time

And the orders:  
Austria: Build F Trieste  
Build A Vienna  
Build A Budapest  
England: Build A London  
France: Remove A Marseilles  
Germany: Remove F Kiel  
Remove A Ruhr  
Italy: Build A Venice  
Build F Rome  
Russia: None  
Turkey: None

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2006, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/206 "2006-01-16T01:58:34Z")

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Game Two will be delayed as I forgot to send that one home when I left. So I’ll be adjudicating that one on Tuesday morning and work out the schedule from there.

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/207 "2006-01-17T14:22:13Z")

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Right, sorry for the delay. The trip was a bear. Note the new deadlines for Fall and Winter.

Thread is at: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=344290&page=5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=344290&page=5)

Map is at: [http://www.wooleysark.com/dip](http://www.wooleysark.com/dip)

Retreats/Disbands:  
English F North Sea can retreat to Yorkshire or Edinburgh or Skagerrak or London or OTB.  
Russian F Norway can retreat to Barents Sea or St Petersburg(nc) or Sweden or OTB.

Those are due by tomorrow morning or they default OTB.

Schedule:  
Fall 1903 Orders due: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9AM Eastern US Time  
Winter 1903 Orders due: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9AM Eastern US Time  
Spring 1904 Orders due: Wednesday, February 1, 2006 9AM Eastern US Time

And the orders:  
Austria: A Bohemia - Galicia (_Fails_)  
A Budapest - Serbia  
A Greece Supports A Budapest - Serbia  
F Trieste Hold  
A Vienna Supports F Trieste  
England: F North Sea Supports F Skagerrak - Norway (_Dislodged_)  
F Norwegian Sea Supports F Skagerrak - Norway  
F Skagerrak - Norway  
France: F Belgium Supports F North Sea (_Cut_)  
F Brest - English Channel  
A Burgundy - Ruhr  
A Paris Supports A Picardy  
A Picardy Supports F Belgium  
A Portugal - Spain  
Germany: F Denmark Supports F Helgoland Bight - North Sea  
F Helgoland Bight - North Sea  
A Holland - Belgium (_Fails_)  
A Munich Hold  
A Ruhr - Kiel  
Italy: A Albania - Serbia (_Fails_)  
F Ionian Sea - Adriatic Sea  
A Tyrolia Hold  
A Venice Supports A Tyrolia  
Russia: A Moscow Hold  
F Norway Supports F Helgoland Bight - North Sea (_Dislodged_)  
A St Petersburg - Finland  
A Ukraine - Galicia  
A Warsaw Supports A Ukraine - Galicia  
Turkey: A Ankara - Armenia  
F Bulgaria(sc) Supports A Greece  
F Constantinople - Aegean Sea  
A Rumania Supports A Sevastopol - Ukraine  
A Sevastopol - Ukraine  
F Smyrna - Eastern Mediterranean

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**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/208 "2006-01-17T16:10:46Z")

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Bah. I’m being done up like a kipper here.

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**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/209 "2006-01-17T17:25:56Z")

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Wow. Is anyone allied with anyone in that second game or have you all gone feral on us?

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**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/210 "2006-01-17T18:41:34Z")

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_gnaws on **Shibb’s** leg_

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/211 "2006-01-18T15:09:29Z")

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Map is at: [http://www.wooleysark.com/dip](http://www.wooleysark.com/dip)

Retreats/Disbands:  
Austrian A Bulgaria can retreat to Greece or OTB.  
French F Mid-Atlantic Ocean can retreat to North Atlantic Ocean or Brest or Portugal or North Africa or OTB.  
Italian A Munich can retreat to Ruhr or Bohemia or OTB.

Those are due by tomorrow morning or they default to OTB.

Schedule:  
Fall 1904 Orders due: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9AM Eastern US Time  
Winter 1904 Orders due: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9AM Eastern US Time  
Spring 1905 Orders due: Wednesday, February 1, 2006 9AM Eastern US Time

And the orders:  
Austria: F Aegean Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Constantinople (_Cut_)  
A Budapest Supports A Vienna - Galicia  
A Bulgaria - Constantinople (_Dislodged_)  
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Galicia  
A Serbia - Bulgaria (_Fails_)  
A Sevastopol - Ukraine  
F Trieste - Albania  
A Vienna - Galicia  
England: F Belgium - English Channel  
F Holland - Kiel  
F Irish Sea - Mid-Atlantic Ocean  
A London - Belgium  
F North Sea Convoys A London - Belgium  
A Norway Hold France: F Brest - Gascony  
A Burgundy - Munich (_Fails_)  
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Western Mediterranean (_Dislodged_)  
A Picardy - Ruhr (_Fails_)  
Germany: F Baltic Sea - Gulf of Bothnia  
Italy: A Munich - Burgundy (_Dislodged_)  
A Piedmont Hold  
F Rome - Tyrrhenian Sea (_Fails_)  
F Spain(sc) Supports F Irish Sea - Mid-Atlantic Ocean  
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Western Mediterranean (_Bounce_)  
A Venice - Tyrolia  
Russia: A Armenia - Sevastopol  
A Berlin - Munich  
F Black Sea Supports A Constantinople - Bulgaria  
F Denmark Supports F Holland - Kiel  
A Silesia Supports A Berlin - Munich  
A Warsaw - Moscow  
Turkey: F Ankara - Constantinople  
A Constantinople - Bulgaria  
F Smyrna - Aegean Sea (_Fails_)

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/212 "2006-01-18T15:11:41Z")

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English F nth retreats to ska.  
Russian F nwy retreats to swe.

Updated map is at: [http://www.wooleysark.com/dip](http://www.wooleysark.com/dip)

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [January 20, 2006, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/213 "2006-01-20T14:27:40Z")

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Austrian A bul retreats to gre.  
French F mao retreats to por.  
Italian A mun retreats to ruh.

Updated map is at: [http://www.wooleysark.com/dip](http://www.wooleysark.com/dip)

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**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2006, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/214 "2006-01-27T03:31:12Z")

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Just reviving this thread in the event that we are again in a tizzy for Game Two. Will our missing player heed the trumpet call?

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [February 8, 2006, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/215 "2006-02-08T14:32:51Z")

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Indeed, so.

Map is at: [http://www.wooleysark.com/dip](http://www.wooleysark.com/dip)

Retreats/Disbands:  
Russian A Galicia can retreat to Warsaw or Budapest or Silesia or OTB.  
French A Ruhr has no retreats, disbanded.  
Austrian F Trieste has no retreats, disbanded.

That is due tomorrow morning or it defaults to OTB.

Builds/Disbands for Winter:  
France may build 1 unit. May build A in par or A or F in bre or mar.  
Germany may build 1 unit. May build A or F in ber.  
Italy may build 1 unit. May build A or F in nap, rom or ven.  
Russia must remove 1 unit.

Schedule:  
Winter 1903 Orders due: Friday, February 10, 2006 9AM Eastern US Time  
Spring 1904 Orders due: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9AM Eastern US Time  
Fall 1904 Orders due: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9AM Eastern US Time

And the orders:  
Austria: A Bohemia - Tyrolia (_Fails_)  
A Greece - Albania (_Fails_)  
A Serbia Supports F Trieste (_Cut_)  
F Trieste Hold (_Disbanded_)  
A Vienna Supports F Trieste (_Cut_)  
England: F Norway Supports F Belgium - North Sea (_Void_)  
F Norwegian Sea Supports F Norway  
F Skagerrak - Sweden (_Fails_)  
France: F Belgium Hold  
F English Channel - Irish Sea  
A Paris - Burgundy  
A Picardy Supports F Belgium  
A Ruhr Hold (_Disbanded_)  
A Spain - Gascony  
Germany: F Denmark - Skagerrak (_Fails_)  
A Holland - Ruhr  
A Kiel - Denmark (_Fails_)  
A Munich Supports A Holland - Ruhr  
F North Sea - London  
Italy: F Adriatic Sea Supports A Venice - Trieste  
A Albania - Serbia (_Fails_)  
A Tyrolia - Vienna (_Fails_)  
A Venice - Trieste  
Russia: A Finland - Norway (_Fails_)  
A Galicia - Moscow (_Dislodged_)  
A Moscow - St Petersburg  
F Sweden Supports A Finland - Norway (_Cut_)  
A Warsaw - Moscow  
Turkey: F Aegean Sea Supports A Greece (_Ordered to Move_)  
A Armenia - Sevastopol  
F Bulgaria(sc) Supports A Greece (_Ordered to Move_)  
F Eastern Mediterranean - Ionian Sea  
A Rumania - Galicia  
A Ukraine Supports A Rumania - Galicia

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**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\
**Post date:** [February 8, 2006, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/216 "2006-02-08T17:43:43Z")

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Let’s give a big thank you to **grimpixie** for stepping in and being mercilessly cut to ribbons! Ouch, that looked painful…

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**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2006, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/217 "2006-02-09T20:02:34Z")

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_sigh_. I’ve got better things to do with my time than play the patsy in a game of spank-the-n00b. :rolleyes:

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**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2006, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/218 "2006-02-09T22:04:12Z")

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> [@Malacandra](#):
>
> _sigh_. I’ve got better things to do with my time than play the patsy in a game of spank-the-n00b. :rolleyes:

Don’t let whatever’s happening in this game sour you on the game. First, someone is going to get the dirty end of the stick – the nature of the beast is someone is going to be the focus of the attack. Some days you’re the windshield, somedays you’re the bug. Sucks, but it’s life.

Second, if you’re new at this then there is a learning curve. Ask for feedback afterwards or at least review what happened and try to see where things went askew. Otherwise you might find yourself in the same position again and again. IIRC I was toasted to a crisp in my first game but have done okay in most subsequent outings. I’d like to think that the people adjoining me were just selfish bastards who didn’t see the real opportunities that sticking with me would have afforded them, but in reality I have to take at least some of the credit for my eventual demise.

I’ve found I’ve enjoyed the game best, and usually played better, when I was able to establish a good rapport with the folks I was playing with and against. Even getting stabbed is a lot more palatable if the person who stabs you does it with grace and aplomb.

I’d be happy to share tips and pointers with you after the games are over, although since there is still a chance we’ll both meet in the next round I am a bit reluctant to be _too_ helpful at this point, but drop me an email if you like.

- Shibb

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**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2006, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/219 "2006-02-09T23:34:02Z")

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Whats going on with game 1?

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2006, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/220 "2006-02-10T00:14:01Z")

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We still have a player out of touch due to illness. I’ll follow up with him tomorrow.

> [@ShibbOleth](#):
>
> Second, if you’re new at this then there is a learning curve. Ask for feedback afterwards or at least review what happened and try to see where things went askew. Otherwise you might find yourself in the same position again and again. IIRC I was toasted to a crisp in my first game but have done okay in most subsequent outings. I’d like to think that the people adjoining me were just selfish bastards who didn’t see the real opportunities that sticking with me would have afforded them, but in reality I have to take at least some of the credit for my eventual demise.

And, let me point out, to back Shibb up…I am, undoubtedly, the most experienced diplomacy player on the board. And I have never, EVER won an online game.

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