# SDMB Diplomacy World Championship **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 11, 2005, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571 "2005-11-11T14:24:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/61 "2005-11-28T13:34:52Z")
> [@grimpixie](#): > > Dang - that’ll teach me to take a break from the Dope for a week!! **Grim** , you can throw shells from the peanut gallery and otherwise make snarky remarks. We miss that. ---
**Author:** ![grimpixie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@grimpixie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grimpixie)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/62 "2005-11-28T13:58:14Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > **Grim** , you can throw shells from the peanut gallery and otherwise make snarky remarks. We miss that. Well that’s a given!! 😃 It’s the chance to twist the blade while feinting for Greece that I’ll be missing… ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/63 "2005-11-28T16:12:14Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > **Grim** , you can throw shells from the peanut gallery and otherwise make snarky remarks. We miss that. Don’t worry, I’ll peek in on your game and talk trash about what everyone’s doing. This is the advantage of running two games in parallel - we can say whatever we want about the other game, without worrying about finding their armies at our doorsteps. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/64 "2005-11-28T16:15:56Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > Beware the dwarf! Don’t crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers! **JC** : this _is_ a Firesign reference. Yours, Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkey ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/65 "2005-11-28T16:17:02Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Don’t worry, I’ll peek in on your game and talk trash about what everyone’s doing. This is the advantage of running two games in parallel - we can say whatever we want about the other game, without worrying about finding their armies at our doorsteps. Well, except you could incite an early invasion by taunting the eventual winner. Woe be unto you should you do that only to find them as Russia to your Austria in the next game. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2005, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/66 "2005-11-29T14:53:49Z")
Hey, crossgaming comments, rivalries and outright bloodshed is downright encouraged. Orders are due tomorrow morning for both games, people. Get 'em to me. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/67 "2005-11-30T03:28:33Z")
**lno** ’s playing England this time? Watch for the German-Italian alliance, friend. It’s deadly. **Priceguy** - want to have a running bet as to which of us gets carved up first? ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/68 "2005-11-30T10:53:52Z")
> [@John Corrado](#): > > **Priceguy** - want to have a running bet as to which of us gets carved up first? What are you talking about - getting carved? Pfah! I’ll be doing the carving here, sonny. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/69 "2005-11-30T11:36:26Z")
Drat…two weeks late and $20 short, but I’m subscribing and lurking. I’ve only played once and it was a good 10 years ago now, in Rabbi Lester Sharnberg’s fantabulous World Mythology class at Humboldt State. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/70 "2005-11-30T14:17:15Z")
One player from Game one and one player from Game two are late with orders. Given that it’s S01 and there’s been significant time to get them in I’m leaning towards a quick replacement. I’ll give them a little more time. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/71 "2005-11-30T14:59:51Z")
One lost lamb located! Map is at: [http://www.wooleysark.com/dip](http://www.wooleysark.com/dip) Retreats/Disbands: None Schedule: Fall 1901 Orders due: Tuesday, December 6, 2004 7AM Eastern US Time Winter 1901 Orders due: Thursday, December 8, 2004 7AM Eastern US Time Spring 1902 Orders due: Wednesday, December 14, 2004 7AM Eastern US Time And the orders: Austria: A Budapest - Serbia F Trieste - Venice (_Bounce_) A Vienna - Galicia (_Bounce_) England: F Edinburgh - Norwegian Sea A Liverpool - Edinburgh F London - North Sea France: F Brest - English Channel A Marseilles - Burgundy (_Bounce_) A Paris - Gascony Germany: A Berlin - Kiel F Kiel - Denmark A Munich - Burgundy (_Bounce_) Italy: F Naples - Ionian Sea A Rome - Venice (_Bounce_) A Venice - Piedmont Russia: A Moscow - Ukraine F Sevastopol - Black Sea (_Bounce_) F St Petersburg(sc) - Gulf of Bothnia A Warsaw - Galicia (_Bounce_) Turkey: F Ankara - Black Sea (_Bounce_) A Constantinople - Bulgaria A Smyrna - Syria ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/72 "2005-11-30T15:42:27Z")
Fuck fuck fuck fuckity fuck. :mad: Can’t believe Italy decided to attack me completely on his own. When I got that email, my _only_ email from him, at 8:09am today, saying simply, “I apologize for the delay. I am sorry, but I am not able to enter into an agreement with you,” I pretty much assumed he had to have help, because Italy really can’t do jack against France all by himself. So now I’m kicking myself for letting Italy’s email push me into putting a fleet into the Channel, rather than MAO which is where I’d really have preferred. Damn damn damn. Sorry, England - I screwed up. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/73 "2005-11-30T15:56:05Z")
Other lamb home! Map is at: [http://www.wooleysark.com/dip](http://www.wooleysark.com/dip) Retreats/Disbands: None Schedule: Fall 1901 Orders due: Tuesday, December 6, 2004 7AM Eastern US Time Winter 1901 Orders due: Thursday, December 8, 2004 7AM Eastern US Time Spring 1902 Orders due: Wednesday, December 14, 2004 7AM Eastern US Time And the orders: Austria: A Budapest - Serbia F Trieste - Albania A Vienna - Galicia (_Bounce_) England: F Edinburgh - North Sea A Liverpool - Edinburgh F London - English Channel France: F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean A Marseilles - Burgundy A Paris - Picardy Germany: A Berlin - Munich F Kiel - Denmark A Munich - Ruhr Italy: F Naples - Tyrrhenian Sea A Rome Hold A Venice - Piedmont Russia: A Moscow - Ukraine F Sevastopol - Black Sea (_Bounce_) F St Petersburg(sc) - Gulf of Bothnia A Warsaw - Galicia (_Bounce_) Turkey: F Ankara - Black Sea (_Bounce_) A Constantinople - Bulgaria A Smyrna - Constantinople ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/74 "2005-11-30T16:02:44Z")
Wow. _Both_ games open with an Italy moving against France? That’s just spooky. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/75 "2005-11-30T16:05:17Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > England: F Edinburgh - North Sea > A Liverpool - Edinburgh > F London - English Channel > France: F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean > A Marseilles - Burgundy > A Paris - Picardy > … > Italy: F Naples - Tyrrhenian Sea > A Rome Hold > A Venice - Piedmont That’s what I was afraid was going to happen in _my_ game! **wevets** , I’d say you’ve got your work cut out for you. Maybe rumors were haphazardly floating between boards… ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/76 "2005-11-30T16:17:58Z")
> [@John Corrado](#): > > Wow. > > _Both_ games open with an Italy moving against France? > > That’s just spooky. At least in Game 1, it makes sense, since both England and Germany are kinda leaning hard on France as well. France has his work cut out for him. Either he talks one party out of participating in this apparent triple attack, or he’s not long for this game. But in Game 2…well, Italy just doesn’t have the wherewithal to go it alone against _anyone_ this early; Ven-Pie is simultaneously a waste of time and the creation of an adversary. And in general, unless Italy can get into MAO, he can’t put enough units against France to do more than keep France busy defending, unless either he’s got help or France screws up. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/77 "2005-11-30T16:20:42Z")
I think that they’re very, very different maps. And I have to say, I’ve never seen Turkey open with with A Smyrna-Syria before. I’m not sure why anyone would do that. Maybe Neville Chamberlain is trying to please the Russian bear? ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/78 "2005-11-30T16:28:23Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Fuck fuck fuck fuckity fuck. :mad: > > Can’t believe Italy decided to attack me completely on his own. When I got that email, my _only_ email from him, at 8:09am today, saying simply, “I apologize for the delay. I am sorry, but I am not able to enter into an agreement with you,” I pretty much assumed he had to have help, because Italy really can’t do jack against France all by himself. > > So now I’m kicking myself for letting Italy’s email push me into putting a fleet into the Channel, rather than MAO which is where I’d really have preferred. Damn damn damn. Sorry, England - I screwed up. I understand completely. I see you still have a safe centre in Spa., so if you push off into MAO after all we’ll have no quarrel. Anything else, I may not be so convinced about this “screw-up” story. :dubious: _looks in mirror to see if the word “elbillug” is written there_ ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/79 "2005-11-30T16:36:10Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > I understand completely. I see you still have a safe centre in Spa., so if you push off into MAO after all we’ll have no quarrel. Anything else, I may not be so convinced about this “screw-up” story. :dubious: I can understand your reservations, and I’ll be getting that fleet away from your coast, one way or another. I’ll be emailing you. ---
**Author:** ![CapnPitt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@CapnPitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CapnPitt)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571/80 "2005-11-30T17:47:46Z")
**Munch** I applaud your set of moves. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-diplomacy-world-championship/330571.md?page=5)